Zos needs to come out and say if gold for crown gifting is allowed or not
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They have been silent on this and other mmos like wow allow it and doesn't count as real world gold trading on their games, so I wonder if zos will take a similar stance. It has already begun and I've seen people advertising for exchanges but these people may be risking acct termination since zos has yet to comment on the matter
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd say it's allowed.
What wouldn't be allowed is exchanging crowns for real world currency (similar to gold exchange for real world money).Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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CHIMCHIMCheree✭✭✭I've got an email in with support asking this exact same question. I can't find anything in the EULA/TOS which forbid it, plenty of people have raised it and asked them, it's a fairly straightforward thing you think they would have come to a decision on before pushing out the functionality that enables the trading.
But with that said, the terms around the trade of virtual currency are poorly defined. Virtual Currency can read as applying to both gold and Crowns, however neither of those play nicely with the TOS saying: ZeniMax prohibits, and does not recognize any purported, transfers, sales, gifts, or trades of Virtual Currency.
Surely transfers of gold are part of the point, while gifting Crowns via Crown items is a supported behaviour.Edited by CHIMCHIMCheree on May 24, 2018 10:15PM0 -
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✭✭✭They have been silent on this and other mmos like wow allow it and doesn't count as real world gold trading on their games, so I wonder if zos will take a similar stance. It has already begun and I've seen people advertising for exchanges but these people may be risking acct termination since zos has yet to comment on the matter
Send me new hair/earrings pack as present, then I decide....
No, all joking aside, selling crowns for gold = rmt.
Just handle the truth.0 -
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CHIMCHIMCheree✭✭✭No, all joking aside, selling crowns for gold = rmt.
Which side of the equation is the 'real money'? Because the TOS are very explicit in detailing that Crowns have no value in real currency. They also fail to engage entirely with whether gifted items are subject to the same terms as Crowns themselves.
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Yzalirk✭✭✭✭I do not see the issue here.
Some people enjoy the game but may not exactly have enough money to buy something they want and buying something from someone with gold is a fair solution assuming they price the item for a fair price.
I could see this being used by guilds for a giveaway or something. Some of the guilds I am in do lottos and a Crown Store item could motivate players.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Most games allow it. GW2 even lets you directly trade gems (their version of crowns) for gold.
I don't think ESO has anything in the TOS that forbids it.Edited by MLGProPlayer on May 24, 2018 11:39PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Most games allow it. GW2 even lets you directly trade gems (their version of crowns) for gold.
I don't think ESO has anything in the TOS that forbids it.
we need to hear it from @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom before we go and trade tho as many ppl might lose their accts if they don't confirm if its allowed or not asap4 -
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✭They have been silent on this and other mmos like wow allow it and doesn't count as real world gold trading on their games, so I wonder if zos will take a similar stance. It has already begun and I've seen people advertising for exchanges but these people may be risking acct termination since zos has yet to comment on the matter
Send me new hair/earrings pack as present, then I decide....
No, all joking aside, selling crowns for gold = rmt.
Just handle the truth.
Yes and no. Its a resl money trade, but not between 2 players. Player one trades gold for an item from the crown store. Player two gives money to zos and then gets gold that a player farmed from within the game. It's different than adding money from no where and no player ever earns any rl money.
I actually like it. I just wish there was a formal system so I dont get screwed by another player only to be banned if I bring it up.
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✭✭✭✭✭They have been silent on this and other mmos like wow allow it and doesn't count as real world gold trading on their games, so I wonder if zos will take a similar stance. It has already begun and I've seen people advertising for exchanges but these people may be risking acct termination since zos has yet to comment on the matter
Send me new hair/earrings pack as present, then I decide....
No, all joking aside, selling crowns for gold = rmt.
Just handle the truth.
Crowns have no value outside of the game. It's defined as such in the terms of service. So it's not defined as a real-money transaction.
This is how ZOS and many other companies gets around gambling laws in many places with loot crates. (It's not legally-defined gambling if there is no money involved in the exchange.)PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CHIMCHIMCheree wrote: »No, all joking aside, selling crowns for gold = rmt.
Which side of the equation is the 'real money'? Because the TOS are very explicit in detailing that Crowns have no value in real currency. They also fail to engage entirely with whether gifted items are subject to the same terms as Crowns themselves.
Yeah it's almost like creating a nonexchangeable fiat currency exclusive to your service is a shady business practice that leaves customers constantly in the dark about how it's allowed to be used.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭CHIMCHIMCheree wrote: »No, all joking aside, selling crowns for gold = rmt.
Which side of the equation is the 'real money'? Because the TOS are very explicit in detailing that Crowns have no value in real currency. They also fail to engage entirely with whether gifted items are subject to the same terms as Crowns themselves.
Yeah it's almost like creating a nonexchangeable fiat currency exclusive to your service is a shady business practice that leaves customers constantly in the dark about how it's allowed to be used.
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✭✭✭✭✭DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »Its Not allowed, Jessica Folsom confirmed it via skype
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✭✭✭✭✭DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »Its Not allowed, Jessica Folsom confirmed it via skype
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Lol skype.
If there's not an official post on the forum or reddit, or a social media post, it's not official.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa1 -
The_Last_Titan✭✭✭i hope it is allowed, my thinking is if it wasn't they would come out and say it wasn't, but if it is/gray area they wouldn't say it is because then they lose that upper hand if it comes to support tickets and emails about being scammed.0
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rynth✭✭✭✭✭They have been silent on this and other mmos like wow allow it and doesn't count as real world gold trading on their games, so I wonder if zos will take a similar stance. It has already begun and I've seen people advertising for exchanges but these people may be risking acct termination since zos has yet to comment on the matter
no it can't someone offering gold for a crown item is no different then someone offering gold for a ww or vamp bite. ZOS doesn't need to comment on it it's an at your own risk to trade gold for something either it being a crown item or a bite. If someone gets taken advantage it is their own fault because of the risk. It is not ZOS's job to think for people or help them use common sense. This really isn't a hard thing to grasp and understand the risks involved with gifting.When asked what he would do for a Klondike bar. Grand Moff Tarkin said "why I would blow up Alderaan."0 -
CHIMCHIMCheree✭✭✭They have been silent on this and other mmos like wow allow it and doesn't count as real world gold trading on their games, so I wonder if zos will take a similar stance. It has already begun and I've seen people advertising for exchanges but these people may be risking acct termination since zos has yet to comment on the matter
no it can't someone offering gold for a crown item is no different then someone offering gold for a ww or vamp bite. ZOS doesn't need to comment on it it's an at your own risk to trade gold for something either it being a crown item or a bite. If someone gets taken advantage it is their own fault because of the risk. It is not ZOS's job to think for people or help them use common sense. This really isn't a hard thing to grasp and understand the risks involved with gifting.
Are you maybe missing that the reason people want comment from ZOS is that there's a possibility they start banning people for trading Crowns for gold, despite their TOS not making it clear whether it's permitted?
Frankly, they either have a position on the matter which they're withholding (which is a pretty bad faith way to handle your TOS) or they don't have a position and they're scrambling to come up with one (which is itself fairly outrageous).1 -
rynth✭✭✭✭✭CHIMCHIMCheree wrote: »They have been silent on this and other mmos like wow allow it and doesn't count as real world gold trading on their games, so I wonder if zos will take a similar stance. It has already begun and I've seen people advertising for exchanges but these people may be risking acct termination since zos has yet to comment on the matter
no it can't someone offering gold for a crown item is no different then someone offering gold for a ww or vamp bite. ZOS doesn't need to comment on it it's an at your own risk to trade gold for something either it being a crown item or a bite. If someone gets taken advantage it is their own fault because of the risk. It is not ZOS's job to think for people or help them use common sense. This really isn't a hard thing to grasp and understand the risks involved with gifting.
Are you maybe missing that the reason people want comment from ZOS is that there's a possibility they start banning people for trading Crowns for gold, despite their TOS not making it clear whether it's permitted?
Frankly, they either have a position on the matter which they're withholding (which is a pretty bad faith way to handle your TOS) or they don't have a position and they're scrambling to come up with one (which is itself fairly outrageous).
again how is this against TOS? I mean you can purchase a bite in crown store then lvl it up and sell the bite for gold same thing you used real money to purchase something that can get you gold for it. You all just assume that it is against TOS, again common sense just need to use thinking and you'll be okay just give time. You really think that they can chase people that offer it as a gift and who is to say that person in gratitude gives them gold? Point being is you people are making it a lot bigger deal then what it is. Just go about your business and either you are going to gift and get gold or you aren't, you all just need to chill out.When asked what he would do for a Klondike bar. Grand Moff Tarkin said "why I would blow up Alderaan."0 -
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✭✭✭✭Since both are digital currencies, and the transaction doesn’t keep ZOS from making a sale (since someone already bought crowns), they probably are going to “allow” it on a buyer-beware sort of basis
real money transactions are generally only frowned upon because they deprive a company of a sale. ex. Buying an in-game motif page with real money means ZOS isn’t getting that money, hence it being prohibited.Edited by Jhalin on May 26, 2018 4:42AM0 -
CHIMCHIMCheree✭✭✭CHIMCHIMCheree wrote: »They have been silent on this and other mmos like wow allow it and doesn't count as real world gold trading on their games, so I wonder if zos will take a similar stance. It has already begun and I've seen people advertising for exchanges but these people may be risking acct termination since zos has yet to comment on the matter
no it can't someone offering gold for a crown item is no different then someone offering gold for a ww or vamp bite. ZOS doesn't need to comment on it it's an at your own risk to trade gold for something either it being a crown item or a bite. If someone gets taken advantage it is their own fault because of the risk. It is not ZOS's job to think for people or help them use common sense. This really isn't a hard thing to grasp and understand the risks involved with gifting.
Are you maybe missing that the reason people want comment from ZOS is that there's a possibility they start banning people for trading Crowns for gold, despite their TOS not making it clear whether it's permitted?
Frankly, they either have a position on the matter which they're withholding (which is a pretty bad faith way to handle your TOS) or they don't have a position and they're scrambling to come up with one (which is itself fairly outrageous).
again how is this against TOS? I mean you can purchase a bite in crown store then lvl it up and sell the bite for gold same thing you used real money to purchase something that can get you gold for it. You all just assume that it is against TOS, again common sense just need to use thinking and you'll be okay just give time. You really think that they can chase people that offer it as a gift and who is to say that person in gratitude gives them gold? Point being is you people are making it a lot bigger deal then what it is. Just go about your business and either you are going to gift and get gold or you aren't, you all just need to chill out.
Did you read the post before you replied? I didn't say it was against TOS and most of your tirade is directed towards that point.
Do I think they CAN identify people who exchange gold for Crown gifts? Trivially. It's a trivial thing to generate a report on occasions where gold was exchanged between parties who previously had no interaction other than gifted Crown store items. It requires only minimal tweaking to any existing real-life trading identification mechanisms.
The simple fact that there's confusion about it and that many people strongly believe it IS and strongly believe it ISN'T a TOS violation suggests that a clarification is in order. Why are you so up in arms about a request for clarification? Settle down.0 -
Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭Really ...
Dont you think that ZOS created that crown gift giving for that very reason ?!!
To allow people to spend real cred in exchange for game cred and thus getting back the huge profit taken away from them by gold sellers ...
You really think ZOS naive enough to think people would not trade crown for creds ...
Really ...Edited by Vanzen on May 26, 2018 8:17AM2