Have tried to check my Game Mode setting playing ESO but WIN + G does not bring up game mode bar. Latest Windows 10 update has removed the ability to apply game mode setting in Settings it is now has to be done in each individual game. How do I access the game bar mode in ESO
ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »Thanks everyone for the information! The stutter many of you are experiencing now is new with this patch. With the info and videos you have supplied, we've been able to track down the sources of these and are currently working on fixes that we'll get out as soon as possible. We've also discovered that if you have Game Mode turned on (Windows 10 users), it can significantly negatively impact the performance of the game with the Summerset patch, so it's worth double-checking if you have that enabled.
Additionally, when customer support recommends disabling your addons to help with framerate issues, that's not a blind recommendation. In practice through performance analysis, we've seen a large number of popular addons that can impact framerate. Some are a constant impact, averaging 2-4ms of CPU processing time per frame, but we've seen as high as 8-10ms. Some affect it during combat, and some decrease framerate over time until you reload your UI or your client completely. Addons are not multithreaded, and their impact stacks cumulatively. This is why we recommend disabling them when you have performance issues, though we understand many prefer to make the utility vs performance trade-off.
We may also recommend that you delete (or change the name of) your UserSettings file and let the game generate a new for you, and this can genuinely be helpful. Sometimes that file can find ways to get in a bad state after a patch. We also often see people making modifications to that file and then recommending those same modifications to other people. While well-intended, this can often lead to problems because no two people are likely to have the same PC hardware, so if you have modified your UserSettings file, we definitely recommend letting the game make a new one for you. We only recommend changing those settings if you have a solid understanding of how it will impact your machine.
If you've done all of that, and you're still not seeing any improvements, it may well be that your CPU is not your limiting factor with ESO, either because you have an older graphics card, or because your graphics settings are high enough that the GPU time becomes the bigger factor. You can try changing those settings and see how it looks and feels for you. Shadow Quality and Reflection Quality tend to be the heaviest factors. It may also be that your particular hardware combination doesn't see as many improvements as others because these changes won't affect everyone uniformly (as evidenced by the wide range of reports about the changes).
We're still working on performance improvements in a variety of areas of the game, in the meantime we appreciate all this feedback and information. And thank you all for your patience while we work to resolve these hitches/micro-freezes.
4790k CPU here (stock clock)
Generally 20 FPS increase on top of 60 SOMETIMES (it appears to be spaced out and random).
Overworld is roughly 80fps on half high and low settings as well with addition friendly effects turned off and only 75% view distance.
Dungeons around 90 FPS - 100 FPS (Note: This has always been the case for the most part)
My overall performance is actually worse however. I am frame skipping a lot now and my CPU has jumped in temperature by 15 degrees. Pushing me into the 70 Degree area which is absurd. My overall CPU temps were at 55-59 degrees before the patch now its pushing my CPU into uncomfortable territory and the reason I suggest is its uncomfortable is because on other high end games on max settings my CPU never reaches these temps. Not BF1, Not PubG, Not any other MMO and not any other Game generally.
This means that something is now putting an unnecessary amount of stress on my CPU prior too the patch and I say its unnecessary because my performance was much better pre-summerset.
I made a post in tech support in hopes of a real response from somebody at ZoS as this is by no way shape or form an improvement from my perspective; causing my CPU to run 15 degrees hotter for 15 maybe 20 more FPS is by no way shame or form a reasonable trade.
I am concerned about rapid growing temps from games because I cannot "afford" to feel comfortable with 70 degrees especially since its not a new CPU and I do not have the money to replace it should I need to and I assure you that by no means is this a general issue with the processor this is infact an issue ONLY with ESO and no other game or program, infact my preformance in my other games is still normal and fine so if it was on my end why would it only happen in ESO if it wasn't the "change" they made.
Again though my larger point is here that this "performance increase" its not a performance increase for my 4790k and in fact its proving to be worse than before. At this point ive even tried too underclock my CPU too temporarily fix this issue and it hasn't helped.
My bet would be that SOMEONE did not do clean edits on textures and other systems loading into the game and thus the game is demanding that the processor calculate alot of junk data and unclean edits to textures and such at far too much of a rate through the hyperthreads, hyperthreads are there too help the cores of any CPU work together better too load information and data, its not a god damned filtration system. This is likely why im seeing my temps rise more than they should and the game is stuttering, processing is being clogged and straining the cores.
So, I did deleted UserSettings and after logging back on highest video settings I got 100fps in Summerset, while previously I could only dream to get at least 60fps in eso at all, so it helped me a lot. But when I told friends to do same - their fps sugnificantly droped, and they had to restore old settings. So, it veery messy thing.
Tonnopesce wrote: »4790k CPU here (stock clock)
Generally 20 FPS increase on top of 60 SOMETIMES (it appears to be spaced out and random).
Overworld is roughly 80fps on half high and low settings as well with addition friendly effects turned off and only 75% view distance.
Dungeons around 90 FPS - 100 FPS (Note: This has always been the case for the most part)
My overall performance is actually worse however. I am frame skipping a lot now and my CPU has jumped in temperature by 15 degrees. Pushing me into the 70 Degree area which is absurd. My overall CPU temps were at 55-59 degrees before the patch now its pushing my CPU into uncomfortable territory and the reason I suggest is its uncomfortable is because on other high end games on max settings my CPU never reaches these temps. Not BF1, Not PubG, Not any other MMO and not any other Game generally.
This means that something is now putting an unnecessary amount of stress on my CPU prior too the patch and I say its unnecessary because my performance was much better pre-summerset.
I made a post in tech support in hopes of a real response from somebody at ZoS as this is by no way shape or form an improvement from my perspective; causing my CPU to run 15 degrees hotter for 15 maybe 20 more FPS is by no way shame or form a reasonable trade.
I am concerned about rapid growing temps from games because I cannot "afford" to feel comfortable with 70 degrees especially since its not a new CPU and I do not have the money to replace it should I need to and I assure you that by no means is this a general issue with the processor this is infact an issue ONLY with ESO and no other game or program, infact my preformance in my other games is still normal and fine so if it was on my end why would it only happen in ESO if it wasn't the "change" they made.
Again though my larger point is here that this "performance increase" its not a performance increase for my 4790k and in fact its proving to be worse than before. At this point ive even tried too underclock my CPU too temporarily fix this issue and it hasn't helped.
My bet would be that SOMEONE did not do clean edits on textures and other systems loading into the game and thus the game is demanding that the processor calculate alot of junk data and unclean edits to textures and such at far too much of a rate through the hyperthreads, hyperthreads are there too help the cores of any CPU work together better too load information and data, its not a god damned filtration system. This is likely why im seeing my temps rise more than they should and the game is stuttering, processing is being clogged and straining the cores.
70 degree is not a bad temperature...
Every game push my cpu (i5 7600k with a moderate 4.6 overclock) in the 60-65 range but is due to the water-loop shared with the gpu.
80-90 is bad but 70...
So, I did deleted UserSettings and after logging back on highest video settings I got 100fps in Summerset, while previously I could only dream to get at least 60fps in eso at all, so it helped me a lot. But when I told friends to do same - their fps sugnificantly droped, and they had to restore old settings. So, it veery messy thing.
So better delete or leave it as it is? I mean I read on reddit, we just change the settings notes? Set max corrs, requested number job threads and worker threads?
I have purchased a massive assembled computer exclusively for Summerset: i7-8700K turbo 6 cores / 12 threads , 32 GB DDR (Kingston), ASUS mobo, nVidia 1080, SSD hard disks.
I don't think it's possibile to ask much more from a player.
Even with all of that, vMOL still sucks. Even with all of that, even turning down graphics quality, FPS is not rock solid. If I turn off vSync it runs 140 FPS but I can go in some places and it drops to 20....
So, I did deleted UserSettings and after logging back on highest video settings I got 100fps in Summerset, while previously I could only dream to get at least 60fps in eso at all, so it helped me a lot. But when I told friends to do same - their fps sugnificantly droped, and they had to restore old settings. So, it veery messy thing.
So better delete or leave it as it is? I mean I read on reddit, we just change the settings notes? Set max corrs, requested number job threads and worker threads?
So, I did deleted UserSettings and after logging back on highest video settings I got 100fps in Summerset, while previously I could only dream to get at least 60fps in eso at all, so it helped me a lot. But when I told friends to do same - their fps sugnificantly droped, and they had to restore old settings. So, it veery messy thing.
Tonnopesce wrote: »4790k CPU here (stock clock)
Generally 20 FPS increase on top of 60 SOMETIMES (it appears to be spaced out and random).
Overworld is roughly 80fps on half high and low settings as well with addition friendly effects turned off and only 75% view distance.
Dungeons around 90 FPS - 100 FPS (Note: This has always been the case for the most part)
My overall performance is actually worse however. I am frame skipping a lot now and my CPU has jumped in temperature by 15 degrees. Pushing me into the 70 Degree area which is absurd. My overall CPU temps were at 55-59 degrees before the patch now its pushing my CPU into uncomfortable territory and the reason I suggest is its uncomfortable is because on other high end games on max settings my CPU never reaches these temps. Not BF1, Not PubG, Not any other MMO and not any other Game generally.
This means that something is now putting an unnecessary amount of stress on my CPU prior too the patch and I say its unnecessary because my performance was much better pre-summerset.
I made a post in tech support in hopes of a real response from somebody at ZoS as this is by no way shape or form an improvement from my perspective; causing my CPU to run 15 degrees hotter for 15 maybe 20 more FPS is by no way shame or form a reasonable trade.
I am concerned about rapid growing temps from games because I cannot "afford" to feel comfortable with 70 degrees especially since its not a new CPU and I do not have the money to replace it should I need to and I assure you that by no means is this a general issue with the processor this is infact an issue ONLY with ESO and no other game or program, infact my preformance in my other games is still normal and fine so if it was on my end why would it only happen in ESO if it wasn't the "change" they made.
Again though my larger point is here that this "performance increase" its not a performance increase for my 4790k and in fact its proving to be worse than before. At this point ive even tried too underclock my CPU too temporarily fix this issue and it hasn't helped.
My bet would be that SOMEONE did not do clean edits on textures and other systems loading into the game and thus the game is demanding that the processor calculate alot of junk data and unclean edits to textures and such at far too much of a rate through the hyperthreads, hyperthreads are there too help the cores of any CPU work together better too load information and data, its not a god damned filtration system. This is likely why im seeing my temps rise more than they should and the game is stuttering, processing is being clogged and straining the cores.
70 degree is not a bad temperature...
Every game push my cpu (i5 7600k with a moderate 4.6 overclock) in the 60-65 range but is due to the water-loop shared with the gpu.
80-90 is bad but 70...
I did point that out did I not?
My point was that it was an unnesassary increase purely for the introduction of multi core hyperthreading support. Considering it was below 60 before the patch went live.
My CPU is already 2-3 years old and so its life span is uncertain as i dont have liquid cooling only fan cooling off a 212 evo and I dont have the money too replace the CPU. The longer a CPU stays at high temperatures the shorter the life span of that CPU gets, now if it was brand new this wouldn't concern me nearly as much but yeah.
This is also considering that no other AAA game breaches 65 max and in comparison visually and graphically ESO is inferior by far.
It should not be exceeding 65 at all. But it is. Note that nobody had any issues until AFTER the patch.
profundidob16_ESO wrote: »ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »Thanks everyone for the information! The stutter many of you are experiencing now is new with this patch. With the info and videos you have supplied, we've been able to track down the sources of these and are currently working on fixes that we'll get out as soon as possible. We've also discovered that if you have Game Mode turned on (Windows 10 users), it can significantly negatively impact the performance of the game with the Summerset patch, so it's worth double-checking if you have that enabled.
Additionally, when customer support recommends disabling your addons to help with framerate issues, that's not a blind recommendation. In practice through performance analysis, we've seen a large number of popular addons that can impact framerate. Some are a constant impact, averaging 2-4ms of CPU processing time per frame, but we've seen as high as 8-10ms. Some affect it during combat, and some decrease framerate over time until you reload your UI or your client completely. Addons are not multithreaded, and their impact stacks cumulatively. This is why we recommend disabling them when you have performance issues, though we understand many prefer to make the utility vs performance trade-off.
We may also recommend that you delete (or change the name of) your UserSettings file and let the game generate a new for you, and this can genuinely be helpful. Sometimes that file can find ways to get in a bad state after a patch. We also often see people making modifications to that file and then recommending those same modifications to other people. While well-intended, this can often lead to problems because no two people are likely to have the same PC hardware, so if you have modified your UserSettings file, we definitely recommend letting the game make a new one for you. We only recommend changing those settings if you have a solid understanding of how it will impact your machine.
If you've done all of that, and you're still not seeing any improvements, it may well be that your CPU is not your limiting factor with ESO, either because you have an older graphics card, or because your graphics settings are high enough that the GPU time becomes the bigger factor. You can try changing those settings and see how it looks and feels for you. Shadow Quality and Reflection Quality tend to be the heaviest factors. It may also be that your particular hardware combination doesn't see as many improvements as others because these changes won't affect everyone uniformly (as evidenced by the wide range of reports about the changes).
We're still working on performance improvements in a variety of areas of the game, in the meantime we appreciate all this feedback and information. And thank you all for your patience while we work to resolve these hitches/micro-freezes.
I know that addons are completely outside the responsibility of ZOS but since some of them provide essential functionality that is missing in the base game it would be nice if you could detail your findings of delays caused by popular addons. It would help us to decide better between fps and functionality
What is game mode? I have windows 10 and consider myself to be fairly computer literate...
I have no clue what game mode is though.
Have tried to check my Game Mode setting playing ESO but WIN + G does not bring up game mode bar. Latest Windows 10 update has removed the ability to apply game mode setting in Settings it is now has to be done in each individual game. How do I access the game bar mode in ESO
you're right, I cant access it too via win+G. It would be nice if someone here could show us how to disable this.
Have tried to check my Game Mode setting playing ESO but WIN + G does not bring up game mode bar. Latest Windows 10 update has removed the ability to apply game mode setting in Settings it is now has to be done in each individual game. How do I access the game bar mode in ESO
you're right, I cant access it too via win+G. It would be nice if someone here could show us how to disable this.