Flying Griffin Mount!

Dolnor · May 2018

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

I would prefer an MMO with flying, but only if the world is actually designed with flying in mind.
Not even WoW is designed with flying in mind; not really.
You need flying enemies, ground enemies that can knock you off your mount, flying needs to have a resource with physics so you're not just floating indefinitely, and the world needs to have the verticality to justify flying.

Actually, Dragons Prophet approached the build-in-verticality by allowing you to ride your dragon ONLY about 50 feet vertically...where you would hit a vertical limit. There were ways (and I discovered most of them) to circumvent those limits...allowing me to soar 1000s of feet high. But even with the limit, there were sooooo many boundry holes where you would just fall to your death/get stuck everywhere. Very ill-conceived feature mechanics
(I have videos of my flights in that game, I'll have to load a couple on YouTube)

Revelation Online is built for verticality. But having it makes the game a bit less fun...as everyone can fly everywhere at any time. There is actually a "feature" where you can execute the "moving so fast you fly" movement famous in Chinese movies...but you can harness it to basically "fly" on a sloping path a LONG distance if you are good at it...but it is slow travel compared to flying/riding. I prefer that mode of flying since it takes skill.

ArcheAge allows flying but only as a Gliding feature. So regardless what you fly (kite/pegasus/wings/etc.) you are flying on a slope and you have a time limit (standard is 3 minutes but some extra special mounts give you 5 minutes) before you have to land or fall to your death. This feature is a bit restrictive but it also demands practice to get the timing down. Here is a link to a video I made in ArcheAge Closed Beta...our guild planted over 5,000 trees just for fun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Irie1icaHI

TQQdles™,

Dolnor Numbwit
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Member, The Older Gamers (TOG)

Danikat · May 2018

I think the most we're likely to get is something like the griffon mount in Guild Wars 2, where it's basically an extended glider. It can carry you horizontally a long way through the air but can't get much higher than your starting point and will gradually lose height as it's flying. You can go a long way on it if you start from high enough up, but it's not quite as game breaking as WoW's flying mounts where you've got completely free movement.

But I'm not sure how useable even that would be in this game. I've not checked all of the open world maps but I suspect a lot of them are built like the housing maps where the top of the map (the absolute barrier which you cannot get past and ZOS cannot move without rebuilding the map inside a bigger space) is just above the tallest object in it.

In some maps that might not be a problem, if one part is much higher than the rest, but on others it could make flying mounts virtually useless because you'd never be able to get very high up.

And it's not something that's easy to fix either. This isn't an invisible wall ZOS have build in, it's the literal edge of the available space. 'Moving it' is the 3D equivalent of asking an artist if they can move their drawing to a bigger piece of paper, they'd most likely have to re-do it all.

zaria · May 2018

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

Yeah I think pretty much every developer in the world learned from Blizzards horrible mistake.

For wow it made some sense, they have flying services as fast transport already, I used that even if i had an flying mount for long distance as I could just go afk during transit.

zaria · May 2018

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I miss levitation and jump spell and gear from Morrowind.. somehow 15 years ago they could make maps suitable for travel at huge speed (boots of blinding speed plus icar scroll, lol) and now they can't, it's sad.

I simply went ballistic in Morrowind, fortify jump 8x100 for 2 second+ slowfall for an minute
Jumping from the telvani consil chamber to the dock aim for the sail of the ferry and talk to the npc for travel.
On the other hand overshooting Vivec city felt a bit stupid

Bam_Bam · May 2018

Because ESO isn't WoW.

JUST SAY NO TO FLYING ANYTHING. ffs.

Davor · May 2018

Danikat wrote: »

equivalent of asking an artist if they can move their drawing to a bigger piece of paper, they'd most likely have to re-do it all.

Artists, programmers what ever, would be getting paid for their work, so it's not a big deal like you are making it out to be.

EvilAutoTech · May 2018

As much as I enjoyed my Skywalker robe and my WooHoo (an exquisite amulet with tons of acrobatics and a touch of slow fall) in TES III, I just don't see it in eso.

Danikat · May 2018

zaria wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I miss levitation and jump spell and gear from Morrowind.. somehow 15 years ago they could make maps suitable for travel at huge speed (boots of blinding speed plus icar scroll, lol) and now they can't, it's sad.

I simply went ballistic in Morrowind, fortify jump 8x100 for 2 second+ slowfall for an minute
Jumping from the telvani consil chamber to the dock aim for the sail of the ferry and talk to the npc for travel.
On the other hand overshooting Vivec city felt a bit stupid

Sounds like when I discovered the command line in Morrowind and learned how to change your stats using it. I can't remember if I misunderstood how the values worked or just got carried away (probably both) but I set everything so high that one jump carried me from Seyda Neen to the northern edge of the map. After that I learned to tone things down a bit and keep it within (or just above) what you could actually get through training up the skills.

Davor wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

equivalent of asking an artist if they can move their drawing to a bigger piece of paper, they'd most likely have to re-do it all.

Artists, programmers what ever, would be getting paid for their work, so it's not a big deal like you are making it out to be.

It is when the work we're talking about them getting paid to re-do is every single map in the game.

It's entirely possible to do it, but it would take a lot of time and not only do they have to be paid for that time, but they can't make anything else while they're doing it, so it would slow down development of new content.

Aknunsus · May 2018

Everyone jumped to the "I don't want flying mounts" or "flying mounts would be great" arguments. But I simply don't see how the cinematic in any way foreshadowed flying gryphon mounts available to characters. All I see is a gryphon tossing an important someone off a cliff. My first thought was that at some point I may have to kill some gryphons; not that I'd be going for a ride on one.

Waffennacht · May 2018

Anything that makes this game feel big, open, and epic will not be implemented.

You're supposed to feel like you're in a cave all the time with very little space and 1000s of annoying AF road blocks.

I would love for this game to feel open

ArchMikem · May 2018

Graydon wrote: »

This is exciting! The Summerset cinematic foreshadows a flying griffin mount!

Great News! Awesome stuff ZOS.

A cinematic trailer "foreshadowing". Ahuh, sounds a lot like a hopeful fan seeing only what they want to see.

Flying doesn't exist in the game's engine. It never will, same as why we don't have underwater mechanics.

DuskMarine · May 2018

Runschei wrote: »

NO! GOD NO! Stop it with the flying mounts. We cannot have them

we need flying mounts bruh their already coming with intro of gryphons so deal with it

ArchMikem · May 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

NO! GOD NO! Stop it with the flying mounts. We cannot have them

we need flying mounts bruh their already coming with intro of gryphons so deal with it

No, they're not. The cinematic means nothing regarding in-game content. The simple truth is the game engine isn't designed to handle flight and the Devs have no intention of making it so. We're stuck on the ground.

DuskMarine · May 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

NO! GOD NO! Stop it with the flying mounts. We cannot have them

we need flying mounts bruh their already coming with intro of gryphons so deal with it

No, they're not. The cinematic means nothing regarding in-game content. The simple truth is the game engine isn't designed to handle flight and the Devs have no intention of making it so. We're stuck on the ground.

when they introduce an animal like that they for sure are gonna make them a mount and for seconds they surely mean to make them able to fly at some point(or else they wouldnt add them in the first place). it took skyrim forever to add where we could somewhat fly dragons but they still added it and it was teased just like this. so yes we will eventually get flying mounts just suck it up and deal with it.

Aebaradath · May 2018

I just want a Netch mount.

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

Dolnor wrote: »

This game is not set up for vertical spaces. If we had flying mounts, players could overcome most boundary-hole-blocking inviso-walls. Players could end up in areas they don't belong. It would also ruin my achievements of finding out-of-bounds area...everyone could easily go there! >.<

I wouldn't mind a Glider of some sort (like ArcheAge/GW2 has)....since I'm pretty good at finding ways to get very high!

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I would love an MMO with the same verticality and interactability with the world as something like BOTW.

Tabbycat · May 2018

Our mounts can't even swim in the water and you want them to fly through clouds? Are you crazy?

*flies mount through cloud*

*mount disappears*

*falls to death*

Firemantim · May 2018

I'd love a "flying" mount, but not one with the ability to ascend/descend, just one that hovers above the ground.

JPcrazysquirrel3 · May 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

NO! GOD NO! Stop it with the flying mounts. We cannot have them

we need flying mounts bruh their already coming with intro of gryphons so deal with it

No, they're not. The cinematic means nothing regarding in-game content. The simple truth is the game engine isn't designed to handle flight and the Devs have no intention of making it so. We're stuck on the ground.

when they introduce an animal like that they for sure are gonna make them a mount and for seconds they surely mean to make them able to fly at some point(or else they wouldnt add them in the first place). it took skyrim forever to add where we could somewhat fly dragons but they still added it and it was teased just like this. so yes we will eventually get flying mounts just suck it up and deal with it.

No. No. Ffs, please stop! No!
https://imgur.com/FHhS42d

We do not need flying mounts. The game is not designed for that and should never become that.
Only dragon-riding fanboys from Skyrim and total idiots would think that this is a good idea!

Also, nowhere in the Summerset trailers does it "foreshadow" a frickin' mount. Of any sort! It's just showing off new creatures.

Gryphons are cool, yes. And I'd love to have a flightless gryphon mount. Hell, maybe even one that glides like the dragon pet. But not an actually flying mount. Get that completely asinine concept out of your head, because most players who have played ESO since launch don't want that to happen, it should never happen, the game can't handle it and already has enough problems, and ZOS won't make it happen anyways.

Malacthulhu · May 2018

They could add flying and levitate regardless of restriction to game engine. It would basically be a poor mans flying system, more like floating x feet. Could add some interesting mechanics to avoid ground effects. Players would not be able to control elevation to a great extent if at all. Obviously, this is not gonna happen lol. Technically the camel is a flying mount if you pretend it doesn't have legs.

Sevn · May 2018

Oh we'll get flying mounts eventually op, just not with this dlc. Might be restricted to a new zone at first or extremely limited at first, but Eso will get them. They'll sell like hotcakes regardless of the sentiment in this thread because Zos likes money.

Pretty sure the sentiment here on the forums was similar regarding one of the first poofy sparkly mounts that were sold for what 5000 crowns? You see how popular they are/were, they were everywhere. Same will happen with flying mounts.

DoctorESO · May 2018

Never say "never." Guild Wars 2 updated its base game to allow for gliding.

Graydon · May 2018

I think it’s a great move. Here come the skies!

I don’t understand the crying and complaining over flying mounts.

If you don’t like them, don’t use them.

Graydon · May 2018

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

NO! GOD NO! Stop it with the flying mounts. We cannot have them

we need flying mounts bruh their already coming with intro of gryphons so deal with it

No, they're not. The cinematic means nothing regarding in-game content. The simple truth is the game engine isn't designed to handle flight and the Devs have no intention of making it so. We're stuck on the ground.

when they introduce an animal like that they for sure are gonna make them a mount and for seconds they surely mean to make them able to fly at some point(or else they wouldnt add them in the first place). it took skyrim forever to add where we could somewhat fly dragons but they still added it and it was teased just like this. so yes we will eventually get flying mounts just suck it up and deal with it.

No. No. Ffs, please stop! No!
https://imgur.com/FHhS42d

We do not need flying mounts. The game is not designed for that and should never become that.
Only dragon-riding fanboys from Skyrim and total idiots would think that this is a good idea!

Also, nowhere in the Summerset trailers does it "foreshadow" a frickin' mount. Of any sort! It's just showing off new creatures.

Gryphons are cool, yes. And I'd love to have a flightless gryphon mount. Hell, maybe even one that glides like the dragon pet. But not an actually flying mount. Get that completely asinine concept out of your head, because most players who have played ESO since launch don't want that to happen, it should never happen, the game can't handle it and already has enough problems, and ZOS won't make it happen anyways.

Calm down - hehe my wife loves it when I say that.

Don’t want or like flying mounts? Here’s a really easy and quick fix.

Don’t use one.

You’re welcome.

JKorr · May 2018

Graydon wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

NO! GOD NO! Stop it with the flying mounts. We cannot have them

we need flying mounts bruh their already coming with intro of gryphons so deal with it

No, they're not. The cinematic means nothing regarding in-game content. The simple truth is the game engine isn't designed to handle flight and the Devs have no intention of making it so. We're stuck on the ground.

when they introduce an animal like that they for sure are gonna make them a mount and for seconds they surely mean to make them able to fly at some point(or else they wouldnt add them in the first place). it took skyrim forever to add where we could somewhat fly dragons but they still added it and it was teased just like this. so yes we will eventually get flying mounts just suck it up and deal with it.

No. No. Ffs, please stop! No!
https://imgur.com/FHhS42d

We do not need flying mounts. The game is not designed for that and should never become that.
Only dragon-riding fanboys from Skyrim and total idiots would think that this is a good idea!

Also, nowhere in the Summerset trailers does it "foreshadow" a frickin' mount. Of any sort! It's just showing off new creatures.

Gryphons are cool, yes. And I'd love to have a flightless gryphon mount. Hell, maybe even one that glides like the dragon pet. But not an actually flying mount. Get that completely asinine concept out of your head, because most players who have played ESO since launch don't want that to happen, it should never happen, the game can't handle it and already has enough problems, and ZOS won't make it happen anyways.

Calm down - hehe my wife loves it when I say that.

Don’t want or like flying mounts? Here’s a really easy and quick fix.

Don’t use one.

You’re welcome.

Please don't strain yourself. The concept of not needing flying mounts in the game might be difficult to grasp, but it can be achieved. If you really, really, really, really need a flying mount that badly, try this idea on for size.

An even quicker and easier fix; players who desperately need flying mounts to compensate for something can go to a game that already has them implemented. No need to change ESO or fight the opinions of the players who don't want to ruin the game.
Super fast and easy.

There is an exit here somewhere, I'm sure you can find it.

Farewell, and you're welcome.

Zardayne · May 2018

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

I would prefer an MMO with flying, but only if the world is actually designed with flying in mind.
Not even WoW is designed with flying in mind; not really.
You need flying enemies, ground enemies that can knock you off your mount, flying needs to have a resource with physics so you're not just floating indefinitely, and the world needs to have the verticality to justify flying.

In my opinion the flying mounts added to WoW killed the overland social interaction you used to have prior to their introduction, especially on pvp servers. Soon after they were added I hardly ever ran into anyone in overland and that's where we used to have some really fun pvp fights.

Related to another post: I'm not huge on elder scrolls lore but alot of ZOS' mounts sure are aiming for higher and higher fantasy from flaming mounts to mechanical ones and are going way beyond lore I feel. I wouldn't put it past them to eventually introduce flying ones here too, especially if they can make some cash off of it.

Graydon · May 2018

JKorr wrote: »

Graydon wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

NO! GOD NO! Stop it with the flying mounts. We cannot have them

we need flying mounts bruh their already coming with intro of gryphons so deal with it

No, they're not. The cinematic means nothing regarding in-game content. The simple truth is the game engine isn't designed to handle flight and the Devs have no intention of making it so. We're stuck on the ground.

when they introduce an animal like that they for sure are gonna make them a mount and for seconds they surely mean to make them able to fly at some point(or else they wouldnt add them in the first place). it took skyrim forever to add where we could somewhat fly dragons but they still added it and it was teased just like this. so yes we will eventually get flying mounts just suck it up and deal with it.

No. No. Ffs, please stop! No!
https://imgur.com/FHhS42d

We do not need flying mounts. The game is not designed for that and should never become that.
Only dragon-riding fanboys from Skyrim and total idiots would think that this is a good idea!

Also, nowhere in the Summerset trailers does it "foreshadow" a frickin' mount. Of any sort! It's just showing off new creatures.

Gryphons are cool, yes. And I'd love to have a flightless gryphon mount. Hell, maybe even one that glides like the dragon pet. But not an actually flying mount. Get that completely asinine concept out of your head, because most players who have played ESO since launch don't want that to happen, it should never happen, the game can't handle it and already has enough problems, and ZOS won't make it happen anyways.

Calm down - hehe my wife loves it when I say that.

Don’t want or like flying mounts? Here’s a really easy and quick fix.

Don’t use one.

You’re welcome.

Please don't strain yourself. The concept of not needing flying mounts in the game might be difficult to grasp, but it can be achieved. If you really, really, really, really need a flying mount that badly, try this idea on for size.

An even quicker and easier fix; players who desperately need flying mounts to compensate for something can go to a game that already has them implemented. No need to change ESO or fight the opinions of the players who don't want to ruin the game.
Super fast and easy.

There is an exit here somewhere, I'm sure you can find it.

Farewell, and you're welcome.

Oh dear! You need a big warm fuzzy wuzzy hug.

Chadak · May 2018

I love flying as a movement or mount option.

That said, a game has to be made with flying in mind from the foundation up if that's ever going to turn out well.

This game wasn't made that well in the first place, and definitely didn't have flying in mind. It's improved considerably since back when, but it was still made with no plan or intention in place for a navigable Z axis.

Would I love to have flying mounts in an elder scrolls game that wasn't just another Skyrim mod? You betcha.

Will that ever happen? Doubt it!

Will or should that ever happen here? Nope!

JPcrazysquirrel3 · May 2018

JKorr wrote: »

Graydon wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

NO! GOD NO! Stop it with the flying mounts. We cannot have them

we need flying mounts bruh their already coming with intro of gryphons so deal with it

No, they're not. The cinematic means nothing regarding in-game content. The simple truth is the game engine isn't designed to handle flight and the Devs have no intention of making it so. We're stuck on the ground.

when they introduce an animal like that they for sure are gonna make them a mount and for seconds they surely mean to make them able to fly at some point(or else they wouldnt add them in the first place). it took skyrim forever to add where we could somewhat fly dragons but they still added it and it was teased just like this. so yes we will eventually get flying mounts just suck it up and deal with it.

No. No. Ffs, please stop! No!
https://imgur.com/FHhS42d

We do not need flying mounts. The game is not designed for that and should never become that.
Only dragon-riding fanboys from Skyrim and total idiots would think that this is a good idea!

Also, nowhere in the Summerset trailers does it "foreshadow" a frickin' mount. Of any sort! It's just showing off new creatures.

Gryphons are cool, yes. And I'd love to have a flightless gryphon mount. Hell, maybe even one that glides like the dragon pet. But not an actually flying mount. Get that completely asinine concept out of your head, because most players who have played ESO since launch don't want that to happen, it should never happen, the game can't handle it and already has enough problems, and ZOS won't make it happen anyways.

Calm down - hehe my wife loves it when I say that.

Don’t want or like flying mounts? Here’s a really easy and quick fix.

Don’t use one.

You’re welcome.

Please don't strain yourself. The concept of not needing flying mounts in the game might be difficult to grasp, but it can be achieved. If you really, really, really, really need a flying mount that badly, try this idea on for size.

An even quicker and easier fix; players who desperately need flying mounts to compensate for something can go to a game that already has them implemented. No need to change ESO or fight the opinions of the players who don't want to ruin the game.
Super fast and easy.

There is an exit here somewhere, I'm sure you can find it.

Farewell, and you're welcome.

Exactly.

Flying mounts are not needed in ESO, let alone even wanted by a majority of the playerbase.
Flying mounts would just break ESO, which is, and has been, already on shaky ground.

Inoki · May 2018

Please don't be the same as everyone else ZOS.

Before some bring in GW2 - that game is dying for many reasons. Not only it's the F2P model, but they also implemented a massive power creep and mounts (a flying one as well) as means to further monetize the game.

DO NOT copy that game, it will be the downfall of this one.