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POLL: PvP Opt-out Token
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bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI wouldn't because I already have unlocked all alliance war levels on all my characters & have most of the shards. Also i enjoy pvp far more than pve.
However.... if some players prefer not to Pvp then i think separate instance of Cyrodiil that is just pve is a good option. Have quests that level the alliance war skill lines but do not actually earn alliance war ranks. I do not think that any players should just get the alliance war skill points without earning them via pvp.
The faction base skyshards should only exist in the pvp version of Cyrodiil. .. just a little pvp incentive for the completionists
IMHO these skyshards are the most fun to aquire in the whole game.
I had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'
The only ppl that think that way, are the same ppl that get knocked off there horse from Snipe.
Dude, did you not hear the 1 second of sizzling arrow headed towards your face?0 -
Olith✭✭✭OtherI had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'
You must be speaking of me, my good sir... Once again, the question I replied to was how pvp is not fun for so many players. Just count the posts in this very thread stating that it isn't. For me it is not fun to get attacked like this. Is it fun for you to crouch motionless in the darkest corner of the room, minute after minute? What does all this sh!t have to do with "fighting"?2 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoAlready been said but I’ll just reiterate the idea for reinforcement in case any are truly not understanding...PvP players go through a much worse grind in PvE then PvE players have to in PvP. Give a “PvE Opt Out Token” that gives 10/10 undaunted, mages guild, fighters guild, psijic order etc and then i’ll gladly say yes.1 -
Paleoman✭NoWhy are people in a hurry? If you only had one character, all of these tasks could be completed relatively quickly, but you may get board of the game and quit. I tried MSA and could not complete it, so I set goals for my 15 characters. I leveled their alliance war skills to 7 between January and March. During that time I came to enjoy PVP. You will get better at PVP with time. This gave me access to Vigor and Caltrops. My next goal was to level my undaunted to 10 on classes that can beat MSA and VMSA easiest. See Alcast website. I am currently soloing the easier four man dungeons, increasing character health to at least 21k and maximizing resistances. After learning the dungeon basics, I will soon be joining PUGS to speed up leveling. With Undaunted Mettle, I will have 6% more health, stamina, and magicka using a 5x1x1 armor set. I will then return to MSA or maybe start the road to trial dungeons. I am on Xbox NA.1
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bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoWhy are people in a hurry? If you only had one character, all of these tasks could be completed relatively quickly, but you may get board of the game and quit. I tried MSA and could not complete it, so I set goals for my 15 characters. I leveled their alliance war skills to 7 between January and March. During that time I came to enjoy PVP. You will get better at PVP with time. This gave me access to Vigor and Caltrops. My next goal was to level my undaunted to 10 on classes that can beat MSA and VMSA easiest. See Alcast website. I am currently soloing the easier four man dungeons, increasing character health to at least 21k and maximizing resistances. After learning the dungeon basics, I will soon be joining PUGS to speed up leveling. With Undaunted Mettle, I will have 6% more health, stamina, and magicka using a 5x1x1 armor set. I will then return to MSA or maybe start the road to trial dungeons. I am on Xbox NA.
Goals are essential. In life and in video games to feel good and have fun.1 -
Madrax573✭✭✭NoNo as it already exists. Just don't go to Cyrodiil.
And it is moving to pay to win if you would get all the skyshards and alliance abilities for cashI'm a bomb technician. If you see me running, try to keep up!0 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNo as it already exists. Just don't go to Cyrodiil.
And it is moving to pay to win if you would get all the skyshards and alliance abilities for cash
I think that is the problem is they don't understand that they're asking for the game to become P2W.
They may not know what P2W is, or simply don't understand why it is bad. P2W would ruin this game. I'd be gone the next day.0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoTaleof2Cities wrote: »When there’s an opt-out for Undaunted Skill Line (in crowns) for PvP players then I might reconsider.
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dem0n1k✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'
You must be speaking of me, my good sir... Once again, the question I replied to was how pvp is not fun for so many players. Just count the posts in this very thread stating that it isn't. For me it is not fun to get attacked like this. Is it fun for you to crouch motionless in the darkest corner of the room, minute after minute? What does all this sh!t have to do with "fighting"?
Lol again... no one crouchs motionless waiting. The players that attack you are very likely on the move, looking for enemies. I highly doubt anyone has the patience to wait for adversaries.
For the record, my pvp main is a mag sorc.. so i do not do stealth well. I keep my shields up & absorb the nb attacks ( if i can! ) then try & burst them down & have detect pots ready for the cloak. It doesn't always work. .. some nb players have good builds & are well practiced at the empowered burst from stealth. Same goes if they strike when my shields are down.
My point was.. no one is going to announce their attack & will use every advantage that they have at their disposal. The ticket is to always be on your guard.NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.0 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OtherI would pay 21,000 crowns for it but it would also have to include the dyes.0 -
lao✭✭✭✭Nolets see...
takes ~10 hours of brainless AI grinding in a set group or weeks of doing dailys to lvl undaunted to 9.
takes ~2-3 hours of solo pvp or much less if in a group to get assault to lvl 6.
pve ppl whine about it and are willing to throw money at ZOS to beeing able to opt out.
dont even know what to say......just speechless...1 -
RubyWarfare✭✭✭OtherI voted "other" because I would not spend 2,000 crowns on the pay to win option, even though I utterly and completely loathe PVP to the core of my being. However, what I WOULD spend those crowns on is the option to transfer to a PVE only server, so I can explore Cyrodil in peace without the fear of getting trolled by teabaggers and the like.
And now to respond to this:generalmyrick wrote: »pvp is fun...
i don't understand the folks that don't like it...just learn the pvp like you do pve!
as soon as i used a damage shield and respected the impen trait, pvp becomes 4500% more fun.
NOT fun for me. Why do I hate it? Simple. Teabagging. Trolling. Nasty, nasty people who gloat over my ineptitude. I have no desire to "get gud" or whatever with virtual sexual harassment and worse on the horizon. Now if people were gracious winners and people were not so awful to each other in other ways, then I might be interested.
Edited by RubyWarfare on May 22, 2018 3:02AM4 -
RubyWarfare✭✭✭OtherRubyWarfare wrote: »I voted "other" because I would not spend 2,000 crowns on the pay to win option, even though I utterly and completely loathe PVP to the core of my being. However, what I WOULD spend those crowns on is the option to transfer to a PVE only server, so I can explore Cyrodil in peace without the fear of getting trolled by teabaggers and the like.
And now to respond to this:generalmyrick wrote: »pvp is fun...
i don't understand the folks that don't like it...just learn the pvp like you do pve!
as soon as i used a damage shield and respected the impen trait, pvp becomes 4500% more fun.
NOT fun for me. Why do I hate it? Simple. Teabagging. Trolling. Nastly, nasty people who gloat over my ineptitude. I have no desire to "get gud" or whatever with virtual sexual harassment and worse on the horizon. Now if people were gracious winners and people were not so awful to each other in other ways, then I might be interested.
you wanna be like that guy ? seriously, grow a thicker skin dood. the internet is not for the soft ones. teabagging happens but its rare and even when it does, why do you even care?
Some people don't want to enter a situation where someone might simulate an act of sexual violation on them. That's not a thick skin issue, that's a "how many sexual deviants do you want to give the chance to abuse you" issue. My answer, like many, is zero.
This said it better than I can. I am not the most eloquent of people. I get enough of this in real life, I do not need to add to it in a freaking game where the goal (mine at least) is to relax and have fun.2 -
Olith✭✭✭Other
Maybe I was simply too ignorant. But I've seen guys like this on other occasions (in pve), and at least in those narrow tunnels in the sewers I believe I would have noticed my attacker.Lol again... no one crouchs motionless waiting. The players that attack you are very likely on the move, looking for enemies. I highly doubt anyone has the patience to wait for adversaries.
I wasn't proposing the attackers should announce their attacks. Of course this would be silly, nobody would want that even when duelling in pve. What I had in mind was a short period of "immunity" so that there is a chance to react. If I'm not mistaken, you're telling me that you are effectively doing just this with your shields, the difference being that you have to keep them up actively. I still don't see how this is much fun but can imagine it adds to a kind of tension that is admittedly a bit lacking in pve.For the record, my pvp main is a mag sorc.. so i do not do stealth well. I keep my shields up & absorb the nb attacks ( if i can! ) then try & burst them down & have detect pots ready for the cloak. It doesn't always work. .. some nb players have good builds & are well practiced at the empowered burst from stealth. Same goes if they strike when my shields are down.
My point was.. no one is going to announce their attack & will use every advantage that they have at their disposal. The ticket is to always be on your guard.
What I definitely can't stand is the type of players that kill you from behind without giving you the slightest chance and then feel "powerful" or "dangerous" because of their heroic deed. Go to the forums and call everyone who wants a fair fight instead of this sh!t a whiner, a snowflake or a carebear... Yeah I get it, they are so cool they give themselves goosebumps all the time. Or maybe they are just a bunch of overcompensating posers. Who would want to spend precious gaming time with guys like this when he can actually have a bit of fun instead.1 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoTaleof2Cities wrote: »When there’s an opt-out for Undaunted Skill Line (in crowns) for PvP players then I might reconsider.
Just this.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoDumbest suggestion I've seen on the forums in quite some time and that's saying a lot.
Just imagine: Pay 2k lousy crowns and get all skins and achievements but lose the ability to enter trials. The outrage at this suggestion...Edited by Ectheliontnacil on May 22, 2018 10:41AM1 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'
You must be speaking of me, my good sir... Once again, the question I replied to was how pvp is not fun for so many players. Just count the posts in this very thread stating that it isn't. For me it is not fun to get attacked like this. Is it fun for you to crouch motionless in the darkest corner of the room, minute after minute? What does all this sh!t have to do with "fighting"?
Lol again... no one crouchs motionless waiting. The players that attack you are very likely on the move, looking for enemies. I highly doubt anyone has the patience to wait for adversaries.
For the record, my pvp main is a mag sorc.. so i do not do stealth well. I keep my shields up & absorb the nb attacks ( if i can! ) then try & burst them down & have detect pots ready for the cloak. It doesn't always work. .. some nb players have good builds & are well practiced at the empowered burst from stealth. Same goes if they strike when my shields are down.
My point was.. no one is going to announce their attack & will use every advantage that they have at their disposal. The ticket is to always be on your guard.
Ignorance is bliss my man.
It’s funny how the only ppl that dislike pvp are players that are literally clueless towards it. It’s not a dislike of pvp, it’s a fear of the unknown. I’ve never once in my life met a player that pvp’s well AND dislikes it. What they don’t like is losing... and pvp takes A LOT of losing to git gud. You’re average person wants something for nothing and is not going to put in the (losing) hours it takes to become proficient. And nobody enjoys being terrible at something... so it’s easier to say “whaaaa I hate pvp it’s stupid and I’m never doin it!” than it is to get good at it.1 -
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✭NoNightfall12 wrote: »No, but i would support being able to res as a ghost in pvp delves and interact with skyshards. you cant fight anything that way though but if you make in to the delve you will at least get Skyshard, you are on your own for the outdoor ones.
lol normally I’ll leave obvious PVErs alone....but the Day this went live...I’d be setting up camp outside delve entrance....Let the Lemmings come.....lol1 -
reoskit✭✭✭✭✭
✭I had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'
You must be speaking of me, my good sir... Once again, the question I replied to was how pvp is not fun for so many players. Just count the posts in this very thread stating that it isn't. For me it is not fun to get attacked like this. Is it fun for you to crouch motionless in the darkest corner of the room, minute after minute? What does all this sh!t have to do with "fighting"?
Lol again... no one crouchs motionless waiting. The players that attack you are very likely on the move, looking for enemies. I highly doubt anyone has the patience to wait for adversaries.
For the record, my pvp main is a mag sorc.. so i do not do stealth well. I keep my shields up & absorb the nb attacks ( if i can! ) then try & burst them down & have detect pots ready for the cloak. It doesn't always work. .. some nb players have good builds & are well practiced at the empowered burst from stealth. Same goes if they strike when my shields are down.
My point was.. no one is going to announce their attack & will use every advantage that they have at their disposal. The ticket is to always be on your guard.
Ignorance is bliss my man.
It’s funny how the only ppl that dislike pvp are players that are literally clueless towards it. It’s not a dislike of pvp, it’s a fear of the unknown. I’ve never once in my life met a player that pvp’s well AND dislikes it. What they don’t like is losing... and pvp takes A LOT of losing to git gud. You’re average person wants something for nothing and is not going to put in the (losing) hours it takes to become proficient. And nobody enjoys being terrible at something... so it’s easier to say “whaaaa I hate pvp it’s stupid and I’m never doin it!” than it is to get good at it.
Sweeping generalizations are bad, mmk. I think plenty of people dislike PvP and it has nothing to do with skill or ignorance, cluelessness, or "whaaaa."
For me, it's the toxicity of the environment that makes it absolutely unappealing. I elect to not spend my time with people who belittle each other for pleasure. For sure, that does not apply to all PvPers, but the bad apples really ruin it for me.
To each their own.
(This is where someone calls me a delicate flower or whatever and illustrates my point.)4 -
Crafts_Many_Boxes✭✭✭✭✭I had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'
You must be speaking of me, my good sir... Once again, the question I replied to was how pvp is not fun for so many players. Just count the posts in this very thread stating that it isn't. For me it is not fun to get attacked like this. Is it fun for you to crouch motionless in the darkest corner of the room, minute after minute? What does all this sh!t have to do with "fighting"?
Lol again... no one crouchs motionless waiting. The players that attack you are very likely on the move, looking for enemies. I highly doubt anyone has the patience to wait for adversaries.
For the record, my pvp main is a mag sorc.. so i do not do stealth well. I keep my shields up & absorb the nb attacks ( if i can! ) then try & burst them down & have detect pots ready for the cloak. It doesn't always work. .. some nb players have good builds & are well practiced at the empowered burst from stealth. Same goes if they strike when my shields are down.
My point was.. no one is going to announce their attack & will use every advantage that they have at their disposal. The ticket is to always be on your guard.
Ignorance is bliss my man.
It’s funny how the only ppl that dislike pvp are players that are literally clueless towards it. It’s not a dislike of pvp, it’s a fear of the unknown. I’ve never once in my life met a player that pvp’s well AND dislikes it. What they don’t like is losing... and pvp takes A LOT of losing to git gud. You’re average person wants something for nothing and is not going to put in the (losing) hours it takes to become proficient. And nobody enjoys being terrible at something... so it’s easier to say “whaaaa I hate pvp it’s stupid and I’m never doin it!” than it is to get good at it.
But why should I become proficient at something I don't like? I play MMOs to fight monsters and dragons and deal awesome damage and do awesome healing, not gank people and stunlock my way to victory over newbies. Zenimax saw fit to gate critical PvE content behind PvP, hence our dilemma.
Also PvP in this game is especially boring and difficult for PvErs to get into. Oh, you don't have Impen armor? Enjoy getting 2 shotted. And while you're at it, enjoy riding across the god darn countryside to get back to the action because the closest respawn point is 10 miles away. Battlegrounds are better in concept, but I've heard they're full of steamrolling premades, which is its own kind of heck.
I don't want something for nothing, I just don't want to be shoehorned into content that I don't care for, not because it's unknown, but because I find it terrible and not worth my time.2 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'
You must be speaking of me, my good sir... Once again, the question I replied to was how pvp is not fun for so many players. Just count the posts in this very thread stating that it isn't. For me it is not fun to get attacked like this. Is it fun for you to crouch motionless in the darkest corner of the room, minute after minute? What does all this sh!t have to do with "fighting"?
Lol again... no one crouchs motionless waiting. The players that attack you are very likely on the move, looking for enemies. I highly doubt anyone has the patience to wait for adversaries.
For the record, my pvp main is a mag sorc.. so i do not do stealth well. I keep my shields up & absorb the nb attacks ( if i can! ) then try & burst them down & have detect pots ready for the cloak. It doesn't always work. .. some nb players have good builds & are well practiced at the empowered burst from stealth. Same goes if they strike when my shields are down.
My point was.. no one is going to announce their attack & will use every advantage that they have at their disposal. The ticket is to always be on your guard.
Ignorance is bliss my man.
It’s funny how the only ppl that dislike pvp are players that are literally clueless towards it. It’s not a dislike of pvp, it’s a fear of the unknown. I’ve never once in my life met a player that pvp’s well AND dislikes it. What they don’t like is losing... and pvp takes A LOT of losing to git gud. You’re average person wants something for nothing and is not going to put in the (losing) hours it takes to become proficient. And nobody enjoys being terrible at something... so it’s easier to say “whaaaa I hate pvp it’s stupid and I’m never doin it!” than it is to get good at it.
Sweeping generalizations are bad, mmk. I think plenty of people dislike PvP and it has nothing to do with skill or ignorance, cluelessness, or "whaaaa."
For me, it's the toxicity of the environment that makes it absolutely unappealing. I elect to not spend my time with people who belittle each other for pleasure. For sure, that does not apply to all PvPers, but the bad apples really ruin it for me.
To each their own.
(This is where someone calls me a delicate flower or whatever and illustrates my point.)
I don’t really see that very often at all.
But, can’t you just not read the chat? I ignore it almost always. lol And why would I call you a delicate flower..? You already did that yourself.0 -
Inhuman003✭✭✭✭✭NoNo, I may be terrible at PVP but I have earned my keep and everyone should do the same.0 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoCrafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »I had to lol @ the posts saying that pvp isn't fun because enemy players strike from stealth & are 'cowards' I imagine a scenario where the enemy player stands right in front of you, fully visible, & yells 'prepare for combat my good sir! I am about to attack!@#$'
You must be speaking of me, my good sir... Once again, the question I replied to was how pvp is not fun for so many players. Just count the posts in this very thread stating that it isn't. For me it is not fun to get attacked like this. Is it fun for you to crouch motionless in the darkest corner of the room, minute after minute? What does all this sh!t have to do with "fighting"?
Lol again... no one crouchs motionless waiting. The players that attack you are very likely on the move, looking for enemies. I highly doubt anyone has the patience to wait for adversaries.
For the record, my pvp main is a mag sorc.. so i do not do stealth well. I keep my shields up & absorb the nb attacks ( if i can! ) then try & burst them down & have detect pots ready for the cloak. It doesn't always work. .. some nb players have good builds & are well practiced at the empowered burst from stealth. Same goes if they strike when my shields are down.
My point was.. no one is going to announce their attack & will use every advantage that they have at their disposal. The ticket is to always be on your guard.
Ignorance is bliss my man.
It’s funny how the only ppl that dislike pvp are players that are literally clueless towards it. It’s not a dislike of pvp, it’s a fear of the unknown. I’ve never once in my life met a player that pvp’s well AND dislikes it. What they don’t like is losing... and pvp takes A LOT of losing to git gud. You’re average person wants something for nothing and is not going to put in the (losing) hours it takes to become proficient. And nobody enjoys being terrible at something... so it’s easier to say “whaaaa I hate pvp it’s stupid and I’m never doin it!” than it is to get good at it.
But why should I become proficient at something I don't like? I play MMOs to fight monsters and dragons and deal awesome damage and do awesome healing, not gank people and stunlock my way to victory over newbies. Zenimax saw fit to gate critical PvE content behind PvP, hence our dilemma.
Also PvP in this game is especially boring and difficult for PvErs to get into. Oh, you don't have Impen armor? Enjoy getting 2 shotted. And while you're at it, enjoy riding across the god darn countryside to get back to the action because the closest respawn point is 10 miles away. Battlegrounds are better in concept, but I've heard they're full of steamrolling premades, which is its own kind of heck.
I don't want something for nothing, I just don't want to be shoehorned into content that I don't care for, not because it's unknown, but because I find it terrible and not worth my time.
How can you dislike something that you’ve really not tried? That’s the point. Again, I’ve yet to meet anyone who’s given pvp an actual chance (playing it enough to become generally proficient at it) that has disliked it afterwards.
What’s the difference between fighting monsters and dealing damage, compared to fighting ppl and dealing damage? The only difference to me is that I can do one by literally rolling my face across a keyboard (fighting NPC monsters) and one is generally difficult.0 -
Victus✭✭✭NoWant fast AP to level your skill lines? Do Battlegrounds.Throm the First - Redguard Dragon Knight - Daggerfall Covenant
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