Bye Bye Stamina DDs

Aebaradath · May 2018

Slick_007 wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Here I am... still playing a stam DD.

you must be playing the new race, undead.

Nah. Just playing the Time Traveling Robot race.

Joxer61 · May 2018

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

The saddest thing about this kind of apocalyptic posts of "x is dead" is how they spread the panic and become a self fulfilling prophecy. This is how you spread the "meta or bust" mindset, this is how you get stam characters and other unfavored DDs out of even casual groups. Pulling higher numbers does not translate to being easiest to play.

Do I want QoL updates to help stam and magwarden on PvE DPS? Sure. Do I exclude them myself from any trial run? Hell nope.

So many people still dont take low CP people to trials (even after Moron-wind frontloaded it a bunch), yet they wonder why people grind skyreach to 720 and arrive at endgame with 0 mechanical knowledge.

Dont take the pill that easily. Break the cycle, say "f... it" and bring stam DDs to trials, progress, wipe, learn. Reference content creator builds but know the when's and why's. Break the vicious cycle.

AMEN!!!

visionality · May 2018

NupidStoob wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

2H and bows don't count as stamina weapons I guess.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all.

None you can see. SF is not dead and actually allows groups to not force one of them to play stamplar. Besides that balancing doesn't work like "We need to nerf stamdd dps how can we achieve this?" and is more along the lines of "players in trials are designated to wear support sets giving them a different experience than the other players. Do we perceive this as a problem and if yes what do we do about it?" Just an example, but to say people who balance games do things without reason is just silly. Do they always make the right choices? Obviously not, but you can at least attempt to understand why a change was made and might have been even necessary.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

From Morrowind til now stamina was clearly outdpsing magicka. I have no clue what you base this claim on. This is how balance works it always goes back and forth.
That new trials heavily favour ranged is indeed a problem and I hope ZoS will address that.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

Pre Summerset:
StamPlar has incredibly high damage potential and will outdps any magicka or be on par with magNB. The problem for stamPlar is that Potl overrides so you can really only have one and that it is bugged so it doesn't explode consistently. StamDen is also stronger than magicka as long as they can use the bear.

If you can't complete DLC dungeons and blame that on class you have a way bigger problem than ZoS's balancing.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

The balance in this game will change with each patch. New builds emerge, new ways to play are discovered. ZoS will nerf/buff things they assess as problematic and their changes might be great or terrible. That's a standard for mmos and if you can't deal with that you really should heed your own advice and play something else.

@NupidStoob Thanks for your comment, I agree to 100%. One should feel ashamed that ppl can even post such nonsense.

@Bigevilpeter This is not meant as an insult, but you really should learn the facts about this game before posting fantasy in a forum. It's theads like this that make ppl all salty.

Kuramas9tails · May 2018

Vahrokh wrote: »

It's not a "stam" vs "mag" war.

It's a Magblades >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else under the sun. Period.

Sure, except for mag sorcs (who are going to suck balls in Summerset, losing ground even to Mag Wardens!) the other magicka classes perform better. But there's still this Magblade massive, incredible, unbearable superiority that just makes playing any other class an exercise of futility.

I don't know. My Magsorc can out DPS my Mageblade. I can see a big difference when running dungeons with my boyfriend. And Mageblade has been my main for over 2 years. The major sorcery is much more convenient for my MagSorc than my Mageblade as well. Maybe it's my rotation or play style. Who knows.

Micah_Bayer · May 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Stam warden is the best pvp spec currently

Micah_Bayer · May 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

Kalgert · May 2018

Considering I've been thinking about starting off as a Magicka Damage Dealer on my Dragon Knight, I find this to be rather swell.

I've always found myself getting headaches trying to play as a Stamina DPS, because of how much people want 300k DPS in regular Veteran dungeons, so I decided to just roll as a mage. And I have to say, I find magic to be much more enjoyable than being some kind of grand swordsman.

Yeah... I endorse this change.

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

Don't worry, stamina is being carried by the new Relequen set in order to compete with the naturally powerful magicka set-ups. Nothing new.

JobooAGS · May 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

So 8 mag dd is balance?

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

The only stamina spec that's king are stam wardens. Otherwise magicka is the more powerful option.

Eso101rus · May 2018

The ability to adapt to change is a very useful skill. Stamina dd has been in a decent position for a while and maybe the changes to certain sets will not be welcomed by all, but maybe they were over performing and needed reigning a little, maybe the changes benefit other areas of the game???

drkfrontiers · May 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

5/5/2

Odd all my stam users can do this? Am I doing it wrong?

SolidusPrime · May 2018

I'm confused.

My stam DD has used 2 full sets + a monster set for a long time. And what nerf did we receive? I'm sure I'm missing a point here.

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

SolidusPrime wrote: »

I'm confused.

My stam DD has used 2 full sets + a monster set for a long time. And what nerf did we receive? I'm sure I'm missing a point here.

The nerf to NMG and Sunderflame. Stam was only performing really well because of how well these sets synergized. With them nerfed to uselessness stam is just too weak. Don't worry though, the new Relequen set deals an insane amount of damage in order to compete with the naturally powerful magicka specs.

Micah_Bayer · May 2018

Daus wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

The only stamina spec that's king are stam wardens. Otherwise magicka is the more powerful option.

Stamina NB as well right under Stam warden. You have two Stam on top before you even get to a mag nb then mag warden then mag sorc for pvp

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

The only stamina spec that's king are stam wardens. Otherwise magicka is the more powerful option.

Stamina NB as well right under Stam warden. You have two Stam on top before you even get to a mag nb then mag warden then mag sorc for pvp

Magblades are actually more powerful.

Asardes · May 2018

If you look from a PvP perspective the NMG change was actually a buff. For classes that lack access to Major Fracture, namely Sorcerer and Templar, the set will be quite nice this patch. Having 5.3K penetration in no-CP is about +8% damage done.

Khivas_Carrick · May 2018

I play a Stamina Templar, so......I'm used to this ***, just saying lol

MehrunesFlagon · May 2018

JobooAGS wrote: »

Vasoka wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Is it perhaps because lorewise a mage will always be more powerful than a random warrior with a sword, given the fact that magic is... hmmm, magic? Just a wild thought.

That kind of mentality which is why we will never achieve balance. Plus if we are going off of that, why is everyone in the sp tse games (cough cough skyrim) a stealth archer? Make bow/bow builds great again?

Stealth Archer is the Skyrim meta.

EvilCroc · June 2018

20k dps is enough for normal dungeons and questing, so I do not care. Not going to delete or respec my stamina dd toons.

ResTandRespeC · June 2018

Dracane wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Because magic is by its very nature, stronger and more godlike than some metal axe ?
It makes no sense at all that melee's are so strong in most games, yet they are.

Stamina dominates pvp and also profits from the 2handed changes. And not much changes in pve either. There are new strong stamina dps sets, while there aren't really any appealing magicka damage sets in the new trial (for my taste anyway)
This game is pretty hostile to magic actually.

I honestly I don't think your reasoning makes sense for this game. Even stam builds use "magical" abilities. For example a stamblades spectral bow, or stamdk breathing poison. Even if you don't consider those magic because they don't consume magic, a lot of stam classes buff up with magic based skills.

Massive_Stain · June 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

Your assessment is fundamentally wrong about mag doing higher dps than stam. This patch, the dps is very similar and is a great balance patch, but for the last 9 months, stamina builds have consistently outparsed mag builds by about 5-10k dps.

Stovahkiin · June 2018

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

Your assessment is fundamentally wrong about mag doing higher dps than stam. This patch, the dps is very similar and is a great balance patch, but for the last 9 months, stamina builds have consistently outparsed mag builds by about 5-10k dps.

Ya know you guys are arguing with posts made a month ago

ResTandRespeC · June 2018

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

Your assessment is fundamentally wrong about mag doing higher dps than stam. This patch, the dps is very similar and is a great balance patch, but for the last 9 months, stamina builds have consistently outparsed mag builds by about 5-10k dps.

While his post may be a bit over the top, i do agree with some points. At this point in my magblade is pulling 46k solo, and my stamblade is pulling 53k on ps4, in full raid setup. So obviously, at least in the case of stam vs magblade stam is still pulling higher dps. The other stam classes i cant speak from experience for. The problem lies within trial mechanics specifically. For places like vet cloudrest or asylum the mechanics heavily favor magic, to the point that its pretty close to being out of the question to bring them in to anything over +0 ( thats not to say its impossible, its just not worth the stress). Similarly other trials also favor magic classes as they are inherently more safe to play, and in most cases can continue to full dps while dealing with any mechanics. The reason stam was worth it to bring in was that the amount of damage a well optimized group of stam players could pull was worth the risk of bringing them in. Now with the nerfs to NMG and Sunderflame, as well as the overall dps increase for magic (specifically magic nightblade), makes the risk reward balance tip away from stam, especially with things like off-heals, and speed boosts that provide extra group utility when bringing a magblade.

idk · June 2018

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

Your assessment is fundamentally wrong about mag doing higher dps than stam. This patch, the dps is very similar and is a great balance patch, but for the last 9 months, stamina builds have consistently outparsed mag builds by about 5-10k dps.

There is a reason this thread died quickly. People probably saw it was a knee jerk reaction based on emotion and not knowledge.

The only reason this thread came to life today is someone came in to rage stupid nonsense. That post has been removed.

We can let this thread find its sweet death once again.

Ashtaris · June 2018

Certainly Stamina builds can do decent DPS, but it seems like more and more of the trials are favoring ranged DPS. For example, I’ve been watching and reading up on Cloudrest to get to know the mechanics. I was watching the Alcast video when they did Vet on the PTS and the one thing I noticed is that I didn’t see a single melee DPS in the run except for the tanks. Everyone else was either MagSorcs, Magicka Dk’s, or Templars. When Hodor did their Nodeath Speedrun, they had 6 Nightblades, but they were all Magicka. They had no Stam DPS at all. In one guide, they even recommended no more than 2 to 3 melee DPS at the most for the group makeup, and that is probably to do portals since about the only thing we seem to be good for is running like hell

Again, Stamblades, Stamsorcs, and Stamplars get the shaft from the staff.

DuskMarine · June 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

my raiding team still has stam dpses i think you need to find some better stam dpses to roll with cause they can reach very high damage along with the mage classes too.

Ashtaris · June 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

my raiding team still has stam dpses i think you need to find some better stam dpses to roll with cause they can reach very high damage along with the mage classes too.

Again, it’s not about whether or not Stam can do good DPS, because they can. It’s about the recent trials favoring one particular type of class over the other (magicka vs. stamina) for endgame content.

DenMoria · June 2018

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

DuskMarine · June 2018

Ashtaris wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

my raiding team still has stam dpses i think you need to find some better stam dpses to roll with cause they can reach very high damage along with the mage classes too.

Again, it’s not about whether or not Stam can do good DPS, because they can. It’s about the recent trials favoring one particular type of class over the other (magicka vs. stamina) for endgame content.

yea no alot of teams have been having half and half. especially in cloudrest sure magicka is good but cloudrest has a ton of stuns. magicka barely has any stamina to break free with. so my squad keeps our stamina users up top to deal with the slug while sending all our mags down the portals when it spawns cause shields can eat the damage down there. these endgame raids dont favor magicka or stamina. people think it does cause their so use to one thing when it really favors neither.