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Ancient Knowledge
NyassaV
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With the introduction of imbue weapon + the destruction of strife I feel like the condition of the Ancient Knowledge, in which you need to have a destro skill slotted to gain the passive's effects, need too be removed. It is the only weapon skill line in the game that requires you to have an ability slotted to gain passive effects and frankly it's VERY annoying for classes who wish to use more class skills than weapon skills.
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If it's the only weapon skill line that requires it then it seems that the other weapon skill lines need to have the same requirement.5 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If it's the only weapon skill line that requires it then it seems that the other weapon skill lines need to have the same requirement.
Or remove it seeing as it pigeon holes skill diversityFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info3 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Then have a look at some class skill trees, where you also will find the very same problem. There are so much class passives, which are only granted, when a class tree ability is slotted.2 -
Berenhir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe they can add a new Psijic passive "When you paid for slot imbue, your abilities additionally to their original perks all count as weapon abilities of your equipped weapon as well."PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -4 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Then have a look at some class skill trees, where you also will find the very same problem. There are so much class passives, which are only granted, when a class tree ability is slotted.
See, that is typically for class abilities. Weapon abilities are not that way save for this 1 destro passiveFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭✭Yep, this would improve build diversity and remove the need to run destro ulti on the front bar on all classes except for Sorc, just for this passive. The fact that no other weapon skill line has this requirement also adds to how much this is needed.2 -
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✭✭✭✭I'm for that. Destro is often only used for the light attacks and a spammable. I can't see anyone fitting in both the new imbue weapon and a staff spammable. Yet as magicka, you have to use a staff to be able to use imbue..Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭All but one of the DW passives require a skill slotted
Slaughter and Controlled fury are the only 2 passives that require a weapon skill to be slotted, and it's only because they apply directly to the skills themselves. 2/5
For destruction staff 3/5 of the passives need a skill slotted. Unless you actively kill people with light attacks.
That and the first tri focus passive gives 12% increased damage to your heavy inferno staff attack. While the balance team insists, light attacks are for damage, heavy attacks are to gain resources. I understand this Passive was pre that decision, but still an unaltered passive, and a current disconnect on what the balance team wants.3 -
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✭✭All but one of the DW passives require a skill slotted
Slaughter and Controlled fury are the only 2 passives that require a weapon skill to be slotted, and it's only because they apply directly to the skills themselves. 2/5
For destruction staff 3/5 of the passives need a skill slotted. Unless you actively kill people with light attacks.
That and the first tri focus passive gives 12% increased damage to your heavy inferno staff attack. While the balance team insists, light attacks are for damage, heavy attacks are to gain resources. I understand this Passive was pre that decision, but still an unaltered passive, and a current disconnect on what the balance team wants.
Pretty sure those apply to light attacks too? Not sure but if so then they sorta don't need abilities slotted.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭✭@ZOS_RichLambert This isn't as much of a balance issue as much as it is a simple issue of making the game more functionalFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭✭Summerset goes live on monday and as far as I know this is still an issueEdited by NyassaV on May 18, 2018 6:05PMFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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i doubt it. it's more likely they just can't be bothered to change it. they need to spend all that time on new crown store items after all.Invictus4 -
reprosal✭✭✭✭✭Still doesn’t make it an ‘issue’
It is repeated polls and posts like this from guys like this that make devs ignore feedback.Edited by reprosal on May 18, 2018 7:07PM3 -
LiquidfistSoul ShrivenYou could ask that the passive only increase destruction staff skill damage if you really want it be consist with other passive weapon line damage bonuses.0
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It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
For instance I might just slot the destro ult on my front bar for the passive this patch and never use it coz it's damage is negligible after the nerf IMO.Edited by PhoenixGrey on May 18, 2018 8:53PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭It's a little odd they didn't opt for "While a destro staff is slotted," but it's really not a deal breaker.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
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✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »
It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
The destro staff skills are actually really good force pulse is a good spammable, reach is a great cc with a decently strong dot, and elemental drain is op sustain with a great debuff.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think this is secretly a "buff nightblades" thread
, and I fully support this idea. Most classes can fit a Destro ability on each bar fairly easily.
Nightblade bars are a pain though. You need a Destro ability on each bar for the 8% damage. You need a siphoning ability on each bar for 8% Max Magicka. You need Inner Light on each bar for 7% Max Magicka. You need an Assassination ability on each bar for 10% crit damage. Soul harvest should be on the same bar as Impale so you get the Ulti gain from kills. And ideally, you should have the same number of Shadow skills on each bar so your health isn't constantly bouncing.
IMO there is no perfect solution that meets all of the conditions listed above and allows for a reasonable rotation (open to suggestion though
). Removing just one of the conditions would make magblade so much easier to play. 1 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
The destro staff skills are actually really good force pulse is a good spammable, reach is a great cc with a decently strong dot, and elemental drain is op sustain with a great debuff.
Reach is super expensive without master staff and it's cc is actually a disadvantage in pvp. Its reflectable/ dodgeable as well
No point using force pulse without poisons or other sets which can take advantage of the 3 attacks at once gimmick. So the skill all by itself is useless. On top of that it helps a warden with a free dawn breaker if you use it as a spammable.
As a solo player I would never ever find bar space for elemental drain.
If you are a sorc and you use it, it's just because there is no better option(might change next patch ) which is rather unfortunate. But the skill line is a joke compared to other weapon linesEdited by PhoenixGrey on May 18, 2018 10:36PM0 -
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✭✭thankyourat wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
The destro staff skills are actually really good force pulse is a good spammable, reach is a great cc with a decently strong dot, and elemental drain is op sustain with a great debuff.
Next patch there is no reason for me to have a destro skill slotted most the timeFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info1 -
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✭✭thankyourat wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
The destro staff skills are actually really good force pulse is a good spammable, reach is a great cc with a decently strong dot, and elemental drain is op sustain with a great debuff.
Next patch there is no reason for me to have a destro skill slotted most the time
There is, its called having access to ancient knowledge 1 -
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It is an issue. The fact you think it isn't shows a certain amount of ignorance. Go read all those builds out there and see how they might have the change with 5 new active skills to go on people's barsEdited by NyassaV on May 19, 2018 3:51PMFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭✭thankyourat wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
The destro staff skills are actually really good force pulse is a good spammable, reach is a great cc with a decently strong dot, and elemental drain is op sustain with a great debuff.
Next patch there is no reason for me to have a destro skill slotted most the time
Ancient Knowledge is the reason.Edited by Ankael07 on May 19, 2018 12:06AMIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
The destro staff skills are actually really good force pulse is a good spammable, reach is a great cc with a decently strong dot, and elemental drain is op sustain with a great debuff.
Reach is super expensive without master staff and it's cc is actually a disadvantage in pvp. Its reflectable/ dodgeable as well
No point using force pulse without poisons or other sets which can take advantage of the 3 attacks at once gimmick. So the skill all by itself is useless. On top of that it helps a warden with a free dawn breaker if you use it as a spammable.
As a solo player I would never ever find bar space for elemental drain.
If you are a sorc and you use it, it's just because there is no better option(might change next patch ) which is rather unfortunate. But the skill line is a joke compared to other weapon lines
Sorcs use it to proc frags, that’s it.. It’s filler after the curse and woven heavy.
Frankly we’d rather not use it, especially when the new psijic skill is so good.0 -
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✭✭✭so you need an ability on the bar and not just the destro staff equipped (excuse my noobness never looked into this as i have at least a few desro skills on ea bar)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
The destro staff skills are actually really good force pulse is a good spammable, reach is a great cc with a decently strong dot, and elemental drain is op sustain with a great debuff.
Next patch there is no reason for me to have a destro skill slotted most the time
Ancient Knowledge is the reason.
And that's the problem.
Magicka already needs to slot Inner Light on both bars. That means only 4 ability slots are available. Then we need to slot one destro ability on both bars (that's ele wall on one bar and a useless skill on the other).
That means you only have 7/10 usable ability slots.
Some classes can use destro ult, but that isn't available to everyone (see magicka warden).Edited by MLGProPlayer on May 19, 2018 2:53AM0 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »
It is an issue. The destro staff skills by themselves are pure garbage in pvp. Either buff destro staff skills or remove the restriction.
The destro staff skills are actually really good force pulse is a good spammable, reach is a great cc with a decently strong dot, and elemental drain is op sustain with a great debuff.
they're not terrible. however, not every build wants or needs them. for example why do i have to have a destro ability slotted if i want to block with a frost staff?, that makes no sense just having a frost staff equipped should be enough.Invictus0 -
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✭✭Still not changed
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