srfrogg23 wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

If classes are being excluded from content at end game then the balance is off.. and should be fixed asap..

Honestly to level up a character to end game and find out you cannot join others to play all the content is wrong and broken.. That is what customers want fixed yesterday not to be told no ETA..

Its not rocket science. Make all classes viable through the whole game.

I’m pretty sure the classes are viable. I generally don’t like to blame players for these sorts of things, but in this case I feel like it’s the only real answer.

Silly misconceptions spread like wildfire on the forums and in guilds. “Player x does 5% less dps than player y during parses, therefore the entire class is not viable.”

“Using simulation software, we found class x does 10% less dps than class y, therefore class x is not viable.”

“Never mind the utility that a class can bring to a group that enhances the entire group’s effectiveness, dps and survivability, we focus strictly on simulated situations for pure dps calculations per character as a way of determining whether or not a class is ‘good’”.

Seriously, it’s silly. There will never be true class balance because the min/maxers will always find a way to tease out that little extra dps from a class over another without accounting for other variables like mechanics and group enhancing utilities.

The end of your post is where I take the most issue. I can definitely see where you are coming from in that some builds/classes in certain scenerios will always out perform others.

BUT...

The overall dismissive statement of "never be true class balance" really doesn't do anything to address the issue.

Just because every class can't be exactly the same balance wise in every situation does not mean balance should be given up on. There are still huge gaps between classes in some roles vs others that have nothing to do with player skill, specific situations, or people upset about a 1% difference in performance.

Don't tell me my magicka and stamina wardens in DPS in PvE are only a small smidge of difference between my Nightblade DPSers and make up for that with extra super awesome utility that a NB can't offer.

Or my Templar tank brings more group synergy in different ways that make up for how much more tanky my DK is.

In the end, your statement would apply if they truly did have a balanced group of classes and the margins were minor where utility could show a lot of benefit vs what you give up. But as it stands now, some classes in some roles have a canyon sized difference in performance vs others.

The fact that the first test patch rolled out a bunch of classes chances, especially to make other classes more viable for support roles and they essentially only buffed DKs for healing and NBs for tanking and then made no other changes based on the huge amount of good feedback they got really shows they aren't keeping up. This is a major patch, the one big yearly patch where they actually make more money b/c it's an expansion, they should be working to get the huge gap between classes in certain situations shortened up.

Then, when we are in an area where your statement applies, they can start looking at the minor tweaks to see what they can do here and there three months down the road instead of making players wait possibly until the next patch, or patch after that or patch after that, to see a class actually be use-able. But as an end-game player, I can tell you as of now, there are HUGE difference for certain classes in some roles vs others and even some basic adjustments could at least make that difference smaller and a class more useful until further polishing. But instead they have chosen to leave it broken, acting as if they will have it fixed up perfect in the future - they won't. Further polishing will always be needed, just as the fixes right now are needed.

Weapon skill line rebalancing would be nice.

srfrogg23 wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

If classes are being excluded from content at end game then the balance is off.. and should be fixed asap..

Honestly to level up a character to end game and find out you cannot join others to play all the content is wrong and broken.. That is what customers want fixed yesterday not to be told no ETA..

Its not rocket science. Make all classes viable through the whole game.

I’m pretty sure the classes are viable. I generally don’t like to blame players for these sorts of things, but in this case I feel like it’s the only real answer.

Silly misconceptions spread like wildfire on the forums and in guilds. “Player x does 5% less dps than player y during parses, therefore the entire class is not viable.”

“Using simulation software, we found class x does 10% less dps than class y, therefore class x is not viable.”

“Never mind the utility that a class can bring to a group that enhances the entire group’s effectiveness, dps and survivability, we focus strictly on simulated situations for pure dps calculations per character as a way of determining whether or not a class is ‘good’”.

Seriously, it’s silly. There will never be true class balance because the min/maxers will always find a way to tease out that little extra dps from a class over another without accounting for other variables like mechanics and group enhancing utilities.

You could play an unoptimized class like a sports star but it'd still be pointless if everyone who see's what you are drops you from team.. because "everyone knows" magplar is garbage etc.. or some other lackluster class..

Its got nothing to do with playing a class its got everything to do with peoples perception of it.. If you can't get parties at end game the balance is busted..

Daus wrote: »

Here's the honest truth, there will never be class balance because everyone has a different opinion on what's balanced, and what isn't.

Honestly I think this game is the most balanced it has been yet (in the Summerset patch). Are there some things that I think are too strong or too weak? Yes.

However I wouldn't suggest any future tweaks that are drastic; only small incremental changes from now on.

Imo its better than post morrow, but the last year has been awful. Only 3/10 specs can openworld solo well enough.

Best was during homestead, where every class had OP, proctatos, maluplars, perms block DKs, pernashield persorcs. Even niches like blazeplars.

Every class could be competitive solo and it ended up being down to skill to deal with each style. Now it's pick fotm and win.