Twitch crate exclusive mount, really?!

josiahva · May 2018

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

WembleyOTG wrote: »

The crates only have the radiant apex mount and pet,, all the other items are common items.. So it's not like a normal crate.. I feel there is nothing wrong with this crate to give away for watching a stream.. 99.99% of the time it will just give common items.. On the off chance it gives the mount or pet.. I think it will be a nice bonus to that player.. Something unique like the beta monkey pet..

I don't have anywhere close to all the mounts and pets out there, far from it.. So I feel this small chance for a special mount is good for people who actually watched their streams etc...

Not a big deal... This is something that should be looked at as a bonus and not required. like the Boar pet from going to pax or whatever it was...

Problem is, this is a mount, not a pet. And really damn good looking mount which I really really want. Mount > anything in crown store. Senche > any other mount. Black senche with red stuff around it > any other senche. For me anyway, and I still cant get over the fact I didnt get the one apex from current crates after spending over 100 euro on it.

In point of fact...there are few good things in the crown store...and mounts are NOT one of them, additional character slots are useful, even mount upgrades and crafting speedups are useful...cosmetics...not useful at all, and so therefore...even the worthless crown potions are more useful than anything cosmetic. That being said, if you like cosmetics, thats great, but you are only enabling their system by buying their crown crates.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

josiahva wrote: »

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

WembleyOTG wrote: »

The crates only have the radiant apex mount and pet,, all the other items are common items.. So it's not like a normal crate.. I feel there is nothing wrong with this crate to give away for watching a stream.. 99.99% of the time it will just give common items.. On the off chance it gives the mount or pet.. I think it will be a nice bonus to that player.. Something unique like the beta monkey pet..

I don't have anywhere close to all the mounts and pets out there, far from it.. So I feel this small chance for a special mount is good for people who actually watched their streams etc...

Not a big deal... This is something that should be looked at as a bonus and not required. like the Boar pet from going to pax or whatever it was...

Problem is, this is a mount, not a pet. And really damn good looking mount which I really really want. Mount > anything in crown store. Senche > any other mount. Black senche with red stuff around it > any other senche. For me anyway, and I still cant get over the fact I didnt get the one apex from current crates after spending over 100 euro on it.

In point of fact...there are few good things in the crown store...and mounts are NOT one of them, additional character slots are useful, even mount upgrades and crafting speedups are useful...cosmetics...not useful at all, and so therefore...even the worthless crown potions are more useful than anything cosmetic. That being said, if you like cosmetics, thats great, but you are only enabling their system by buying their crown crates.

Yeah sadly people are still buying stuff for idiotic prices, can't blame them there $, but yes I agree everything is way out of control now all new content is all through the cash shop now. Hardly anything you can earn in game compared to what's on the cash shop now so why bother even playing it if the game rewards nothing?

VexingArcanist · May 2018

Sadly even though I find it unsavory to the majority of ESO players who do NOT use twitch or care to participate in buying their ESO stuff via Twitch (notice Steam doesn't get this nor the Xbox/PS store), it isn't far different from Blizzard and their WoW items obtained from other non-WoW sources.

Im still waiting on a solid sandbox game so I can toss off the manacles of this current MMO business model(s).

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

VexingArcanist wrote: »

Sadly even though I find it unsavory to the majority of ESO players who do NOT use twitch or care to participate in buying their ESO stuff via Twitch (notice Steam doesn't get this nor the Xbox/PS store), it isn't far different from Blizzard and their WoW items obtained from other non-WoW sources.

Im still waiting on a solid sandbox game so I can toss off the manacles of this current MMO business model(s).

Atleast in WoW if you play enough you can buy things on the digital store with no irl $, that includes all expansions coming in any type of blizzard game or any digital games that blizzard will come out with in the future.

Kuramas9tails · May 2018

Ley wrote: »

ZOS have offered players a way to get free stuff for very little effort, naturally players complain. Classic.

Well, I am console so I don't even get a chance to put effort in this one. lol.

olsborg · May 2018

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

Puting the coolest mounts behind stupid RNG chance/buy more crate = more chance, needs to stop.

Personally I dont rly care too much, but for general happiness in the playerbase, agreed.

xeNNNNN · May 2018

Sigtric wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Hmm can't see this business venture doing well at all. Likely done because of contracts and such.

Twitch Drops have been around for over a year for other games and folks who use twitch love it, this will be no different.

Well I mean't for the them as a company rather than the fact that its a twitch drop, its more successful in other games because of e-sports and such. There arent nearly as many people watching streams as such in ESO compared to other games. Which is why im doubting how successful it will be because those deals are usually done with the intention of bringing twitch as a partner more revenue.

Arundo · May 2018

Again ZO$ shows its greed, hope those upcoming MMO's are worth it in the near future to jump ship as this is only get worse. They do not learn from many complaints in the past. Using the same engine as SWTOR was a sign and now they go that same route with small content updates to keep us playing and big cash shop updates to keep us paying.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411679/zo-you-killed-the-whale/p1

VinnyTwoShoes · May 2018

I must be one of the few, but i love that theyre locked behind an rng wall. I spent $100 on crates during jesters. Didn't get much of anything. Was I shook? Sure. But thats the gamble.

Wanted the moon sugar fit a couple days later so i spent another 25 bucks. Hit the shadow senche on the 2 crates I bought with the left overs. Its possible! Im glad its only a chance. Its purely cosmetic so to use it as an incentive to make money isnt an issue to me. We dont get expansions for free.

Rawkan · May 2018

Arundo wrote: »

Again ZO$ shows its greed, hope those upcoming MMO's are worth it in the near future to jump ship as this is only get worse. They do not learn from many complaints in the past. Using the same engine as SWTOR was a sign and now they go that same route with small content updates to keep us playing and big cash shop updates to keep us paying.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411679/zo-you-killed-the-whale/p1

Generic "X MMO is dying" post.
It's a buisness, their sole purpose is to make money, and once again, they're cosmetics. People will survive without adding the 10th reskinned tiger to their mount collection.

AlienatedGoat · May 2018

Rawkan wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

Again ZO$ shows its greed, hope those upcoming MMO's are worth it in the near future to jump ship as this is only get worse. They do not learn from many complaints in the past. Using the same engine as SWTOR was a sign and now they go that same route with small content updates to keep us playing and big cash shop updates to keep us paying.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411679/zo-you-killed-the-whale/p1

Generic "X MMO is dying" post.
It's a buisness, their sole purpose is to make money, and once again, they're cosmetics. People will survive without adding the 10th reskinned tiger to their mount collection.

If you're going to make a counterpoint, you should address the actual points in the post you're quoting. Don't conjure up points that are unrelated.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

Rawkan wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

Again ZO$ shows its greed, hope those upcoming MMO's are worth it in the near future to jump ship as this is only get worse. They do not learn from many complaints in the past. Using the same engine as SWTOR was a sign and now they go that same route with small content updates to keep us playing and big cash shop updates to keep us paying.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411679/zo-you-killed-the-whale/p1

Generic "X MMO is dying" post.
It's a buisness, their sole purpose is to make money, and once again, they're cosmetics. People will survive without adding the 10th reskinned tiger to their mount collection.

They'res also a strong line which MMO's shouldn't cross since if they go to far the MMO does fall apart tbh, its good they make $ but to "content" added that's only in the form of cash shop transactions rather than actual content is bad.

AlienatedGoat · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Rawkan wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

Again ZO$ shows its greed, hope those upcoming MMO's are worth it in the near future to jump ship as this is only get worse. They do not learn from many complaints in the past. Using the same engine as SWTOR was a sign and now they go that same route with small content updates to keep us playing and big cash shop updates to keep us paying.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411679/zo-you-killed-the-whale/p1

Generic "X MMO is dying" post.
It's a buisness, their sole purpose is to make money, and once again, they're cosmetics. People will survive without adding the 10th reskinned tiger to their mount collection.

They'res also a strong line which MMO's shouldn't cross since if they go to far the MMO does fall apart tbh, its good they make $ but to "content" added that's only in the form of cash shop transactions rather than actual content is bad.

Yup, and it's barely "content". It's cheap reskins of cheap reskins, and they structured a complex system around that reskinned mount and pet to lure people into either spending time on Twitch generating ad revenue, or spending money through Twitch to generate cash revenue.

It's definitely not a charitable gesture, and it's not for the streamers either. The entity that gets the largest portion of this revenue stream is ZOS.

ZOS saw an unexploited revenue source, and they took advantage of it. It's really that simple.

In other words: a cash grab.

duendology · May 2018

Now that's a dramatic cry! Sort of....funny.

Well, it looks like you won't have this particular mount. Can you live with this? lol

Some mounts can be bought, some mounts can be won, and some mounts you must gumble for. Deal with it?

AlienatedGoat · May 2018

duendology wrote: »

Now that's a dramatic cry! Sort of....funny.

Well, it looks like you won't have this particular mount. Can you live with this? lol

Some mounts can be bought, some mounts can be won, and some mounts you must gumble for. Deal with it?

Found the industry apologist.

It's not about the mounts. It's about how ZOS and other companies are continually structuring their distribution of new "content" through increasingly financially predatory means.

Loot boxes, "gumbling", and RNG systems within RNG systems are all meant to give you the illusion that you are participating in a straightforward transaction, while maximizing the profit gains for the developer by encouraging repeat purchases.

What's really happening is you're buying chances at items. Not items themselves. It's like a digital claw machine, but no amount of skill will help you win since it's all just biased algorithms with any number of variables to slant odds in favor of the machine. It's purely random, and made in a way to encourage and entice repeat tries at the machine, even though you may never get that stuffed animal you want, or any stuffed animal at all. It's made to be addictive.

The fact is that you can walk away effectively empty-handed. The consumables are basically participation trophies that let ZOS say you got your moneys worth by pointing to equivalent-value crown items. That is also an illusion - they set the prices on those items arbitrarily and unilaterally. Those items have little to no actual value.

Do you know what other venture deals in this same business model?

Casinos.

Kiralyn2000 · May 2018

I like how either not agreeing with you, or not thinking that an easily avoided/ugly as hell/why does anyone care about this in the first place thing is, just that, no big deal = "industry apologist"

I think Twitch is overhyped, I think that trying to market things through Twitch is silly.... which is why I'm not sure why this is such a Sign Of The Apocalypse! PANIC! situation. It's dumb. Ignore it and move on. Life's got enough real problems in it, why spend such a large amount of stress on something so stupid?

Moloch1514 · May 2018

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

I like how either not agreeing with you, or not thinking that an easily avoided/ugly as hell/why does anyone care about this in the first place thing is, just that, no big deal = "industry apologist"

I think Twitch is overhyped, I think that trying to market things through Twitch is silly.... which is why I'm not sure why this is such a Sign Of The Apocalypse! PANIC! situation. It's dumb. Ignore it and move on. Life's got enough real problems in it, why spend such a large amount of stress on something so stupid?

I think this is being discussed because this was a new News item announced this week, and these are the ESO forums.

Iselin · May 2018

Sure sign that ESO is nearing maintenance mode when the ranting and raving is all about how things that can't be earned by playing the game nor have any game play function other than looks is acquired.

ArvenAldmeri · May 2018

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

I like how either not agreeing with you, or not thinking that an easily avoided/ugly as hell/why does anyone care about this in the first place thing is, just that, no big deal = "industry apologist"

I think Twitch is overhyped, I think that trying to market things through Twitch is silly.... which is why I'm not sure why this is such a Sign Of The Apocalypse! PANIC! situation. It's dumb. Ignore it and move on. Life's got enough real problems in it, why spend such a large amount of stress on something so stupid?

Everyone likes what they like and have different opinions. That you dont care or think is stupid, doesnt mean many other people have different opinion. For you its waste, for me its spending money on game I play for 4 years in all of my free time available. This topic is obviously for those who care about cosmetic stuff in game and like all those pixels on screen. I dont expect anyone to understand what this feels like for someone who likes to have everything complete and is a senche collectionist, but dont tell me its wrong or stupid. For me collecting gold motif books is useless, but some people like to have it, even tho its useless and is just gonna sit in your bank. But I am not gonna tell them its silly or stupid and to ignore it and move on. Some ppl like to collect stamps, other stuff, like other stuff. I wont go tell them to stop caring about something so dumb.
Still cant understand why some people make "apocalypse" out of this?
Do you understand why people go crazy about for example football? I dont. But at least I can imagine its very similar to anyones else passion.

Rain_Greyraven · May 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Why are there two outrage threads on this going at the same time?

I have seen mods close down multiple threads on game mechanics, positive reviews, and community interest pieces...yet the multiple rage threads stay?

it smacks of coddling.

ArvenAldmeri · May 2018

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Why are there two outrage threads on this going at the same time?

I have seen mods close down multiple threads on game mechanics, positive reviews, and community interest pieces...yet the multiple rage threads stay?

it smacks of coddling.

The posts are not about the same. I dont mind twitch crates. I mind the twitch crate exclusive mount. Its about the mount, the other post is about complaining about the crates in general.

ArvenAldmeri · May 2018

josiahva wrote: »

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

WembleyOTG wrote: »

The crates only have the radiant apex mount and pet,, all the other items are common items.. So it's not like a normal crate.. I feel there is nothing wrong with this crate to give away for watching a stream.. 99.99% of the time it will just give common items.. On the off chance it gives the mount or pet.. I think it will be a nice bonus to that player.. Something unique like the beta monkey pet..

I don't have anywhere close to all the mounts and pets out there, far from it.. So I feel this small chance for a special mount is good for people who actually watched their streams etc...

Not a big deal... This is something that should be looked at as a bonus and not required. like the Boar pet from going to pax or whatever it was...

Problem is, this is a mount, not a pet. And really damn good looking mount which I really really want. Mount > anything in crown store. Senche > any other mount. Black senche with red stuff around it > any other senche. For me anyway, and I still cant get over the fact I didnt get the one apex from current crates after spending over 100 euro on it.

In point of fact...there are few good things in the crown store...and mounts are NOT one of them, additional character slots are useful, even mount upgrades and crafting speedups are useful...cosmetics...not useful at all, and so therefore...even the worthless crown potions are more useful than anything cosmetic. That being said, if you like cosmetics, thats great, but you are only enabling their system by buying their crown crates.

For you its speed up craft and upgrades and what not. For me personaly I never buy mount lessons or research scrolls. I buy those for gold in game because I wont spend money on things I can get other way around as I have enough gold. I like cosmetic stuff. You dont? Cool, dont tell other they are not allowed to like it. For u its useless, for us its something really cool to have. I spend probably 20% of the game making my characters look pretty, matching them with pets and mounts. This is not a thing for many people and its a thing for many people as well, otherwise there would be obviously no crown store cosmetics.

WembleyOTG · May 2018

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

Problem is, this is a mount, not a pet. And really damn good looking mount which I really really want. Mount > anything in crown store. Senche > any other mount. Black senche with red stuff around it > any other senche. For me anyway, and I still cant get over the fact I didnt get the one apex from current crates after spending over 100 euro on it.

I seem to remember it saying mount and pet. If you look at pic there is a pet next to the mount.

I'm sorry the mount is all you hoped for. I'm sorry you never got the one from the current crates.

Moloch1514 · May 2018

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Why are there two outrage threads on this going at the same time?

I have seen mods close down multiple threads on game mechanics, positive reviews, and community interest pieces...yet the multiple rage threads stay?

it smacks of coddling.

As Rich would say, you know you don't have to be here, right?

DanteYoda · May 2018

No cool mounts wouldn't get me to watch those game parasites... I hate twitch youtube you name it they feed off game companies like parasites in an animal..

Yzalirk · May 2018

This thread is among the most pointless complaints I have seen. There are tons of mounts to choose from regardless of it being exclusive.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2018

Honestly I dont know why people are connecting this with greed. Its not like youre being asked to buy more. Simply that you use a particular venue to make your purchases and through that you have a chance to win these items. From my perspective, this is really not the conversation to be had about this whole situation. The bigger discussion should be whether this will attract players to use Twitch and ESO.

Earlier today I got on Twitch and out of curiousity checked ESO to see how many viewers it had. 660. Compared to Fortnite, League of Legends and CS:GO having 10k-23k viewers in the middle of the day. Obviously those three will have far more viewers as the evening goes on.

The community shouldnt be outraged by "greed" here. But rather debating if locking these things behind RNG will actually drive the community to participate and view ESO on Twitch more. Which I personally dont think it will.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2018

Sigtric wrote: »

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

Once again, your greed wont stop to surprise me, <snip>

Chance at free things that cost you nothing but loading a stream. Where does the greed fit in here?

It doesnt. Not sure why this is even apart of the discussion besides the sudden shift to anger and resentment towards anything crates. Just a year or two ago everyone was berating anyone against the things.

Heimpai · May 2018

I only watch Aimbotcalvin on twitch, with out him I’d only use youtube.

Just a cosmetic? Some of us would actually like a decent looking ride in horse simulator (alliance war)

But hey as a new player there’s not much of a chance to get the cool ones from the past..especially when idk their names..

Now you put one in twitch a service i won’t use 95% of the time

I’m not upset just disappointed

Nyladreas · May 2018

Literally the first mount I'd drop some heavy cash on. Especially since my main is a Khajiit Shadowknight... And you slam it into crates again.

Very very sad... And disappointed

Been waiting for it since the datamine...

Not buying crates. I know you love exploiting people with very low real life ego, ZOS, as these people are willing to spend hundreds to compensate ingame.

Crates are one of the most disgusting things against humanity. Because these people don't realise what is happening.

Go ahead and flag my comment too, again, so people can't learn the truth. I'm about to buy all DLCs and cancel my sub forever.

Some of us do have self control and clear consciousness. Most of us gamers, however, don't.

I urge people to think before they attack me after reading this comment. I'm not trying to be a ***. But make people realise what this is.