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  • Menelaos
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    cal50 wrote: »
    Dont expect this. Also its okay because did you ever seen a MMORPG with limitless inventory? Craft bag providing this and cant be free

    If I am not mistaken, Guild Wars 1 had such a thing. It was a resource storage chest with limitless (?) storage space. Then again, it must have been 2005. Times changed.
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  • Lysette
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    Sevn wrote: »
    Honestly, while extremely convenient the crafting bag shouldn't be as needed with the introduction of housing storage. Crafting items stack and an additional 360 storage is alot.

    This is just what you think, because you never had it - the convenience which comes with that bag is even more valuable than it's infinite capacity. You never have to take something out of the bag to craft or deliver writs, you never have to put stuff in that bag by hand as well - it is all automatic, extremely convenient and even better, when used by many characters on that account. And it s not just crafting material, but as well bait for fishing. ESO+ comes with more bank space and more items in your houses as well and you get crowns as well. ESO+ is actually a bargain for those, who are willing to spend money on vanity items after buying the game - it is one of the few generous things ZOS has to offer, so why so reluctant to get it?
  • White wabbit
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    The day zos put the crafting bag in the crown store is the day the game dies
  • jaschacasadiob16_ESO
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    Honestly, I wouldn't be an ESO Plus subscriber if the craft bag was free for all. You odn't understand how useful it is until you have it. Just like the Merchant and the Banker.
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    jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »
    Honestly, I wouldn't be an ESO Plus subscriber if the craft bag was free for all. You odn't understand how useful it is until you have it. Just like the Merchant and the Banker.

    Well said
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    jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »
    Honestly, I wouldn't be an ESO Plus subscriber if the craft bag was free for all. You odn't understand how useful it is until you have it. Just like the Merchant and the Banker.

    Yeah, I got this with the banker, even I deem it overpriced, but he is actually quite convenient and I use him often. I just do not get why the merchant is of any use, maybe I am missing something, could you explain, for what you use her?
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    Lysette wrote: »
    jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »
    Honestly, I wouldn't be an ESO Plus subscriber if the craft bag was free for all. You odn't understand how useful it is until you have it. Just like the Merchant and the Banker.

    Yeah, I got this with the banker, even I deem it overpriced, but he is actually quite convenient and I use him often. I just do not get why the merchant is of any use, maybe I am missing something, could you explain, for what you use her?

    I have both and so prefer the merchant I run though a dungeon and pick everything up and sale it ,easy way of making money
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    White wabbit wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »
    Honestly, I wouldn't be an ESO Plus subscriber if the craft bag was free for all. You odn't understand how useful it is until you have it. Just like the Merchant and the Banker.

    Yeah, I got this with the banker, even I deem it overpriced, but he is actually quite convenient and I use him often. I just do not get why the merchant is of any use, maybe I am missing something, could you explain, for what you use her?

    I have both and so prefer the merchant I run though a dungeon and pick everything up and sale it ,easy way of making money

    Ok, I see, I guess my characters are still too low level for me to see the advantage - but I see now, where you are coming from, thanks for the quick reply.
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    Lysette wrote: »
    White wabbit wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »
    Honestly, I wouldn't be an ESO Plus subscriber if the craft bag was free for all. You odn't understand how useful it is until you have it. Just like the Merchant and the Banker.

    Yeah, I got this with the banker, even I deem it overpriced, but he is actually quite convenient and I use him often. I just do not get why the merchant is of any use, maybe I am missing something, could you explain, for what you use her?

    I have both and so prefer the merchant I run though a dungeon and pick everything up and sale it ,easy way of making money

    Ok, I see, I guess my characters are still too low level for me to see the advantage - but I see now, where you are coming from, thanks for the quick reply.

    I just wish you could access the guild bank with the banker and repair with the merchant :(
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    White wabbit wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    White wabbit wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »
    Honestly, I wouldn't be an ESO Plus subscriber if the craft bag was free for all. You odn't understand how useful it is until you have it. Just like the Merchant and the Banker.

    Yeah, I got this with the banker, even I deem it overpriced, but he is actually quite convenient and I use him often. I just do not get why the merchant is of any use, maybe I am missing something, could you explain, for what you use her?

    I have both and so prefer the merchant I run though a dungeon and pick everything up and sale it ,easy way of making money

    Ok, I see, I guess my characters are still too low level for me to see the advantage - but I see now, where you are coming from, thanks for the quick reply.

    I just wish you could access the guild bank with the banker and repair with the merchant :(

    Hm, for the repairs look out for roaming merchants - there are quite a lot on the roads patroling a certain area from A to B and back, so you could just memorize where they are and use them for a repair.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    I don't think that the problem is about ESO+ or crafting bag - although it is connected, so let me explain:

    Long story:
    Currently, if you want to be a crafter and do crafting writs on all characters - you can do this without eso+. You can use your bank space. So if you do so and you will keep a full "200" stack of every single crafting item (assuming you only keep top level mats) it will take something like 210 - 220 slots (more or less). And here we cone to the problem that arose over time:

    With every single DLC / Chapter there are new crafting styles. That means more style materials. Some styles even have 2 types of materials - "raw" that you need to refine & regular (example Crafting Motifs 39: Minotaur). And max banks space ? It stays the same...
    Now - with new Summerset update we will have whole bunch of new crafting materials for jewellery crafting. So if you will use your bank space to store them - it will take additional 20 slots at minimum (and don't forget there are new motives & style materials too in summerset).
    Short story:
    To put it shortly - there will be more crafting materials after Summerset update than maximum bank space.
    Keep in mind that Elder Scrolls Online is not a free-2-play game. It is a buy-2-play game with a full "AAA" game price tag. DLC / Chapters - those are not "free" either. ESO+ is an optional payment. It is something additional that is not required to do basic stuff. But after Summerset update it looks like players who don't use ESO+ will be punished for not doing so. Regular players will lose some functionality.

    So I am not surprised people are worried and we see more & more "crafting bag" threads on forums. And let me tell you this - after Summerset release - it will be even more of those.

    The solution is rather simple.
    1. Increase max bank space for about 20 - 30. That way there wont be any problems with crafting & ESO+ subscribers will have double of that. Every one is happy.
    2. Allow home storage to be visable for crafting stations.

    However seeing how jewellery crafting is designed:
    there are 9 new trait materials & some of those even have a base "raw" material that you need to refine - why ZOS did not used the ones that we have already for other crafted gear ? Sapphire, Diamond, Emerald ? Those would fit perfectly for making a jewellery).
    I wont be surprised if this is a part of a big plan to make managing inventory a real pain.. unless you pay a fee.. If that is true then eso monetization would be no better that some mobile free-2-play games...
    Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on May 14, 2018 2:46PM
  • Feanor
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    Ok. Craft bags for everyone. Meanwhile ESO+ gets 400 inventory space, 800 bank space and quadruple the item limit for housing and Transmutation. Also ESO+ gets another 20% on jewelry research and 10% less items needed to refine jewelry. Everyone wins.
    Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:
    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar
    All chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.
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    Feanor wrote: »
    Ok. Craft bags for everyone. Meanwhile ESO+ gets 400 inventory space, 800 bank space and quadruple the item limit for housing and Transmutation. Also ESO+ gets another 20% on jewelry research and 10% less items needed to refine jewelry. Everyone wins.

    Only if any of the above actually intrestes you, I could live with out the above so would drop eso plus and It wouldn't surprise me if others felt the same
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    DanteYoda wrote: »
    Makes me laugh all these people subbing for a craft bag.. what hyperbole..

    I don't think that's hyperbole. Ther are other reasons to subscribe, obviously, but for some players, the other benifits (increased XP, research, gold, an DLC access (if they've been buying them along the way)) are meaningless. So in the case of many veteran players, no, really, the crafting bag is the one thing they do get. (With edge cases for house capacity and storage capacity, being possible arguments as well.) Otherwise, it's just an alternate means to buy 15 bucks a month in crowns.
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    White wabbit wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    White wabbit wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »
    Honestly, I wouldn't be an ESO Plus subscriber if the craft bag was free for all. You odn't understand how useful it is until you have it. Just like the Merchant and the Banker.

    Yeah, I got this with the banker, even I deem it overpriced, but he is actually quite convenient and I use him often. I just do not get why the merchant is of any use, maybe I am missing something, could you explain, for what you use her?

    I have both and so prefer the merchant I run though a dungeon and pick everything up and sale it ,easy way of making money

    Ok, I see, I guess my characters are still too low level for me to see the advantage - but I see now, where you are coming from, thanks for the quick reply.

    I just wish you could access the guild bank with the banker and repair with the merchant :(

    I do too but when you think about it many players go back to towns to repair and access the bank.

    Feanor wrote: »
    Ok. Craft bags for everyone. Meanwhile ESO+ gets 400 inventory space, 800 bank space and quadruple the item limit for housing and Transmutation. Also ESO+ gets another 20% on jewelry research and 10% less items needed to refine jewelry. Everyone wins.


    Wouldn't interest me. With the craft bag I don't have inventory problems.
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    Menelaos wrote: »
    cal50 wrote: »
    Dont expect this. Also its okay because did you ever seen a MMORPG with limitless inventory? Craft bag providing this and cant be free

    If I am not mistaken, Guild Wars 1 had such a thing. It was a resource storage chest with limitless (?) storage space. Then again, it must have been 2005. Times changed.

    No, Gw 1 never had a limitless chest it just had the option of buying more bank slots like Lotro. So far I think the only game I ever played that had a limitless storage for resources is ESO but GW 2 comes in close a bit even though they have a shared storage between the account it still has a cap per item stored in it.

    Just to prove it for Gw 1 here the Screenies just now

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    Edited by Cpt_Teemo on May 14, 2018 3:30PM
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    White wabbit wrote: »
    The day zos put the crafting bag in the crown store is the day the game dies

    LOL, please read what you just wrote. Hysterical nonsense! ESO has been "dying" ever since Angry Joe ranted on YouTube in 2014. ESO is doing just fine, and if ZOS wasn't making money they would have turned off the servers a long time ago.

    Why do subscription snobs always forget that DLC purchasers pay COLD HARD CASH up front for everything we use? Dude, NOBODY is asking for the crafting bag for free!
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    Emma_Overload wrote: »
    White wabbit wrote: »
    The day zos put the crafting bag in the crown store is the day the game dies

    LOL, please read what you just wrote. Hysterical nonsense! ESO has been "dying" ever since Angry Joe ranted on YouTube in 2014. ESO is doing just fine, and if ZOS wasn't making money they would have turned off the servers a long time ago.

    Why do subscription snobs always forget that DLC purchasers pay COLD HARD CASH up front for everything we use? Dude, NOBODY is asking for the crafting bag for free!

    You pay for access to the DLC until the servers shut down. ESO+ loses Access once they drop the sub. That’s a big difference.
    Edited by Feanor on May 14, 2018 3:42PM
    Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:
    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar
    All chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Here's the GW 2 bank, about the same as ESO+'s craft bag but without the limitless cap
  • White wabbit
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    Emma_Overload wrote: »
    White wabbit wrote: »
    The day zos put the crafting bag in the crown store is the day the game dies

    LOL, please read what you just wrote. Hysterical nonsense! ESO has been "dying" ever since Angry Joe ranted on YouTube in 2014. ESO is doing just fine, and if ZOS wasn't making money they would have turned off the servers a long time ago.

    Why do subscription snobs always forget that DLC purchasers pay COLD HARD CASH up front for everything we use? Dude, NOBODY is asking for the crafting bag for free!

    I know what I wrote and I know what I ment by it ,if you don't that ain't my problem
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    Dire wrote: »
    dannymcgr81b14_ESO wrote: »
    Dire wrote: »
    Granting players access to the Craft Bag for free should also be a great incentive for players to spend crowns as well (wink).
    Dire

    How do you figure this? If they are not willing to spend 15 bucks for eso plus which comes with the craft bag, double bank space, all kinds of bonuses and 1500 crowns, why do you think they would spend 15 bucks for just 1500 crowns?

    Because if we do not have to pay 15 dollars a month, we will be able to spend that money elsewhere on things like crowns. Thanks for the response! I do love the fact we also get 1500 crowns for the Sub though, very friendly incentive.

    That doesn't make any sense. If you are spending $15 a month for a subscription, you already are spending it on crowns, and a lot of other bonuses. It would make no sense to spend $15 on crowns and not pay for a sub.
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    Malacthulhu wrote: »
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    Why is it called "greed" when a company tries to generate revenue ?
    And why do people call it "greed" when they have no idea what the company financials are ?

    And they have no idea what each individual player financials are lol. Its greed bc of the quality to cost ratio. If I say sell berries on the side of the street for 2 bucks a box then decide to charge sep for the boxes and make them smaller then I don't know maybe instead of givkng cash back as change just use my own bs currency or coupon system. Yes, its basically greed, their financials and ours have nothing to do with it. Quality to Cost, cheap product asking for more then it should be valued is greed.

    Quality to cost ratio? Cheap product? You obviously don't work in IT, it isn't cheap to pay developers. It isn't cheap to maintain servers. It isn't cheap to regression test. It isn't cheap to troubleshoot/qa/deploy/ect...

    If it is cheap, maybe make your own game...
    Edited by Odnoc on May 14, 2018 7:27PM
  • Dire
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    Odnoc wrote: »
    Malacthulhu wrote: »
    Juju_beans wrote: »
    Why is it called "greed" when a company tries to generate revenue ?
    And why do people call it "greed" when they have no idea what the company financials are ?

    And they have no idea what each individual player financials are lol. Its greed bc of the quality to cost ratio. If I say sell berries on the side of the street for 2 bucks a box then decide to charge sep for the boxes and make them smaller then I don't know maybe instead of givkng cash back as change just use my own bs currency or coupon system. Yes, its basically greed, their financials and ours have nothing to do with it. Quality to Cost, cheap product asking for more then it should be valued is greed.

    Quality to cost ratio? Cheap product? You obviously don't work in IT, it isn't cheap to pay developers. It isn't cheap to maintain servers. It isn't cheap to regression test. It isn't cheap to troubleshoot/qa/deploy/ect...

    If it is cheap, maybe make your own game...

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5141055#Comment_5141055

    Please try to spend our money more diligently then, thank you.
    Edited by Dire on May 18, 2018 1:47AM
  • Thoradeldo
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    They should make the Craft Bag drop in-game and make it a lower percentage find compared to the Aetherial Cipher, so I can watch players list it for 30m gold in Guild Stores.
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    Rawkan wrote: »
    Makes no sense from a buisness perspective.

    Would have to agree here, regrettably.
    Edited by Betsararie on May 18, 2018 3:03AM
  • dtsharples
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    Just subscribe and stop your whining ;)

  • Odnoc
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    Dire wrote: »
    Odnoc wrote: »
    Malacthulhu wrote: »
    Juju_beans wrote: »
    Why is it called "greed" when a company tries to generate revenue ?
    And why do people call it "greed" when they have no idea what the company financials are ?

    And they have no idea what each individual player financials are lol. Its greed bc of the quality to cost ratio. If I say sell berries on the side of the street for 2 bucks a box then decide to charge sep for the boxes and make them smaller then I don't know maybe instead of givkng cash back as change just use my own bs currency or coupon system. Yes, its basically greed, their financials and ours have nothing to do with it. Quality to Cost, cheap product asking for more then it should be valued is greed.

    Quality to cost ratio? Cheap product? You obviously don't work in IT, it isn't cheap to pay developers. It isn't cheap to maintain servers. It isn't cheap to regression test. It isn't cheap to troubleshoot/qa/deploy/ect...

    If it is cheap, maybe make your own game...

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5141055#Comment_5141055

    Please try to spend our money more diligently then, thank you.

    I don't get what you're implying. So because there is a bug with snow money isn't spent diligently? You do realize how big the game world is, right? All of the other complexities that exist in the game? Snow probably isn't the highest priority...
  • Dire
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    dtsharples wrote: »
    Just subscribe and stop your whining ;)

    Already a subscriber, they get plenty of money from me; which is why I am voicing my feedback and concerns.
    Edited by Dire on May 24, 2018 9:23PM
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Dire wrote: »
    dtsharples wrote: »
    Just subscribe and stop your whining ;)

    Already a subscriber, they get plenty of money from me; which is why I am voicing my feedback and concerns.

    ^ Agreed, they could atleast have some leeway with a preferred model of having a cap of 250 per resource as a limited craft bag like previous games, and atleast give preferred there 2x everything back tbh.
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    Blanco wrote: »
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    Makes no sense from a buisness perspective.

    Would have to agree here, regrettably.
    This, now to compensate for this they would need to add more stuff to eso+, stuff most would not like as in fast track in queues for dungeons or cyrodil, add an preference for high cp players in group and so on, perhaps build in treasure hunter.

    And yes part of the reason i quite eso was because of the inventory mini game. it took as much time as doing crafting writs on 8 alts.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
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