Is Stamina Over Preforming

DisgracefulMind · May 2018

No

Preforming, not sure.

Performing, eh. Stamnb is broken to all hell, and strong. But the rest, I'm not so sure about that. Stamplar is strong in PvP, weaker in PvE, but still viable. All stam is quite viable in both PvE and PvP, but so is all Magicka...oh, except Magplar. -_-

Dredlord · May 2018

Yes

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

In my opinion only poison injection is overperforming.

Agree its overperforming, it's not even close to the only thing...

Derra · May 2018

No

BohnT wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

it was boring going for 1v1s in OW because there were maybe 2-3 OW builds that could kill me if i tried to survive

That´s precisely why i don´t feel they´re strong though. I can´t break em - granted. But neither on magblade or sorc have i met one that i´d feel threatened by aswell.
They´re tanky potatomashers.

On stamblade i´d figure it´s the same bc 1v1 nothing will really catch a more competent stamblade than i am

And that is the reason i think the are overperfoming it's not a good thing that people can kill while being "unkillable" in a game that focuses on killing things.
They have the best offence, defence and utility of all stamina classes by far.
Also on OW stamwarden it's not limited to 1 player standing no chance of killing me, ranged magicka classes can't even touch you while they make you stronger with each attack, i had multiple fights where 3 players couldn't even touch me while i died vs the same 3 players on my other stamchars.
There is no reason to use another stamclass if you really want to go full tryhard

I also wouldn't want that all stamspecs are buffed to the performance of stamwarden because then PvP will be really really boring.
I don't want one shots and i don't want endless fights however fights that take more than 5 minutes are fine in my eyes when there is actually a good chance that one might still win because he outplays the other guy and the other guy just managed to survive this long due to own skill.

Well that might be because in OW there are not many good players that waste their time fighting an equally good player or they know each other (might also cause some fights )"

So in essence it boils down to - shimmering shield op open world bc it hardcounters range + gives insane buffs at the same time.

Idk - i have a really hard time seeing what you describe as op from the perspective of magica classes (and stamsorc + nb for open world aswell).

The only thing where i see it as overperforming is compared to the other two "tanky" stam specs.

BohnT · May 2018

No

Derra wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

it was boring going for 1v1s in OW because there were maybe 2-3 OW builds that could kill me if i tried to survive

That´s precisely why i don´t feel they´re strong though. I can´t break em - granted. But neither on magblade or sorc have i met one that i´d feel threatened by aswell.
They´re tanky potatomashers.

On stamblade i´d figure it´s the same bc 1v1 nothing will really catch a more competent stamblade than i am

And that is the reason i think the are overperfoming it's not a good thing that people can kill while being "unkillable" in a game that focuses on killing things.
They have the best offence, defence and utility of all stamina classes by far.
Also on OW stamwarden it's not limited to 1 player standing no chance of killing me, ranged magicka classes can't even touch you while they make you stronger with each attack, i had multiple fights where 3 players couldn't even touch me while i died vs the same 3 players on my other stamchars.
There is no reason to use another stamclass if you really want to go full tryhard

I also wouldn't want that all stamspecs are buffed to the performance of stamwarden because then PvP will be really really boring.
I don't want one shots and i don't want endless fights however fights that take more than 5 minutes are fine in my eyes when there is actually a good chance that one might still win because he outplays the other guy and the other guy just managed to survive this long due to own skill.

Well that might be because in OW there are not many good players that waste their time fighting an equally good player or they know each other (might also cause some fights )"

So in essence it boils down to - shimmering shield op open world bc it hardcounters range + gives insane buffs at the same time.

Idk - i have a really hard time seeing what you describe as op from the perspective of magica classes (and stamsorc + nb for open world aswell).

The only thing where i see it as overperforming is compared to the other two "tanky" stam specs.

I wouldn't limit it to shimmering alone, eventhough it's the most overperfoming non ulti in the game.
A huge issue imo is that Warden has access to so many buffs and a spammable stamina burst heal that shouldn't exist exactly for the reason that stamina has such great kiting skills and access to dodge and block.

Stamwarden feels just like they mixed stamplar, stamsorc and stamdk together and then buffed every single meaningful category. It's a Jack of all Trades but at the same time it outshines the others in all categories and that's what makes them op imo.

Which other 2 tanky specs? Atm Trollking orc stamsorc with the Dark Deal build is way more tanky than stamplar or stamdk and it features better mobility + damage. However even the meta stamsorc feels meh when compared to a stamwarden.