Do you want stronger stamblades? Because this is how you get stronger stamblades.

If you try to dodge roll an AoE that's being placed on the ground you will get hit by the AoE even though your physical body is out of the AoE because the game still considers you to be in your starting position.

That's not an issue specific to dodging; it's a positioning issue in general. Speaking quite generally, this game is pretty unresponsive when it comes to spatial targeting issues like hitboxes and AOE positioning. Just last night I was killed by a poison AOE in vDSA that I was outside of, because at the time the game thought it spawned I was jumping midair over the position at which it would spawn a second later.

So while I agree that that issue could stand to get some TLC, I don't think it will happen as it's far too general an issue for the team to address this late in the game's life.

Juhasow wrote: »

Unlike healing or using shields dodge rolling becomes stronger with each additional enemie that attacks You.

casparian wrote: »

Do you want stronger stamblades? Because this is how you get stronger stamblades.

If you try to dodge roll an AoE that's being placed on the ground you will get hit by the AoE even though your physical body is out of the AoE because the game still considers you to be in your starting position.

That's not an issue specific to dodging; it's a positioning issue in general. Speaking quite generally, this game is pretty unresponsive when it comes to spatial targeting issues like hitboxes and AOE positioning. Just last night I was killed by a poison AOE in vDSA that I was outside of, because at the time the game thought it spawned I was jumping midair over the position at which it would spawn a second later.

So while I agree that that issue could stand to get some TLC, I don't think it will happen as it's far too general an issue for the team to address this late in the game's life.

Stamblades are only strong because people don't come with the means of combating invisibility. Stamblades aren't going to be as annoying next update. At least not to anyone wearing Sloads'.

No.

Dodge is okay as how it is.

Game needs better sync; also the invisibility argument you used is invalid.

I don't think there's anything weak about active dodge rolling. What I think is weak is that mag builds can't dodge roll as actively as stamina and that medium doesn't have an answer to crit DMG:
- Light armor should get x% reduction in dodge roll, since in nCP they lose out on the CP reduction which helped them lower the gap between themselves and stamina. Light armor can also gain snare removal and immunity from the second shield morph. Always found it funny that the lightest armor in the game can't run fast or remove snares, yet in all the elder scrolls games you could get passives to make yourself ignore fatigue in all light armor.

-Flipside , I think medium armor should get crit resists to offset the fact they can't get shields as easily as mag. I also know some people want penetration on medium armor, but in PvP generally the enemy doesn't go past 21-23k physical whereas for mag builds they have to fight against 26-30k spell resist builds so I don't think medium should get penetration without giving up a weapon type.

But shuffle should also match forward momentum for the immunity and it's almost 4k stamina to get 3 seconds of snare immunity is doodoo when the actual dodge chance only lets you dodge 1 out of every 4 or 5 attacks in a given fight. Medium armor should be about pure speed with ability to "deflect" crits/attacks, whereas light armor should be about brawler style shield defense with penetration. This way stamina won't have to crutch on impreg armor and light armor doesn't have to look for alot of stamina in PvP; opens up builds!

Both are basically the same archtype; damage/heals but one is stronger than the other at certain things instead of being two different flavors of the same power. And in a game where you should slot whatever you want, the later is a better match for that intent.

Minno wrote: »

medium doesn't have an answer to crit DMG

Impregnable Armor. Have you tried it on your new stamplar? Unlike most mag builds, stam builds can wear Impreg and still be capable of huge damage, either with Master's DW setups or paired with a damage set like Automaton.

Minno wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

medium doesn't have an answer to crit DMG

Impregnable Armor. Have you tried it on your new stamplar? Unlike most mag builds, stam builds can wear Impreg and still be capable of huge damage, either with Master's DW setups or paired with a damage set like Automaton.

But that's not medium armor lol.

Light armor has trans too, but it has a shield that can negate crit entirely. And light armor can also use impreg, but the only shield stamina can use is bone shield or specific class shields that have a heavy mag cost.

Medium armor needs crit resists, so it can match a light armor build using both trans/impreg that also has access to shields.

For practical purposes, in PVP Impreg basically counts as a medium armor set. I say that because it performs far, far better on medium builds than light or heavy, at least in my experience. Medium builds have access to sustain through heavy attacks and non-crit mitigation through dodge/Shuffle, and thus can make their second set a damage set -- light armor users can't as feasibly do that, since landing staff heavies is far more difficult than landing stamina heavies, and don't have access to a source of non-crit mitigation other than shields (which of course removes the need to use Impreg in the first place). And a heavy armor user in Impreg is just a tank.

I mean, I'd be happy to get more crit resistance through Medium Armor passives -- then I could run another damage set instead of Impreg. But I think that would be overpowered. You shouldn't be able to be as tanky as Impreg makes you while also able to run Shuffle and have 40-50% crit without building for it, easy heavy attack sustain, access to Tactician/Exploiter, and 5k+ weapon damage. Right now you have to sacrifice some of that offensive power to gain the tankiness Impreg gives you, and that's probably a good thing.

casparian wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

medium doesn't have an answer to crit DMG

Impregnable Armor. Have you tried it on your new stamplar? Unlike most mag builds, stam builds can wear Impreg and still be capable of huge damage, either with Master's DW setups or paired with a damage set like Automaton.

But that's not medium armor lol.

Light armor has trans too, but it has a shield that can negate crit entirely. And light armor can also use impreg, but the only shield stamina can use is bone shield or specific class shields that have a heavy mag cost.

Medium armor needs crit resists, so it can match a light armor build using both trans/impreg that also has access to shields.

For practical purposes, in PVP Impreg basically counts as a medium armor set. I say that because it performs far, far better on medium builds than light or heavy, at least in my experience. Medium builds have access to sustain through heavy attacks and non-crit mitigation through dodge/Shuffle, and thus can make their second set a damage set -- light armor users can't as feasibly do that, since landing staff heavies is far more difficult than landing stamina heavies, and don't have access to a source of non-crit mitigation other than shields (which of course removes the need to use Impreg in the first place). And a heavy armor user in Impreg is just a tank.

I mean, I'd be happy to get more crit resistance through Medium Armor passives -- then I could run another damage set instead of Impreg. But I think that would be overpowered. You shouldn't be able to be as tanky as Impreg makes you while also able to run Shuffle and have 40-50% crit without building for it, easy heavy attack sustain, access to Tactician/Exploiter, and 5k+ weapon damage. Right now you have to sacrifice some of that offensive power to gain the tankiness Impreg gives you, and that's probably a good thing.

Yea you are right. Forgot how good heavy attack is for stamina with melee weapons and the off balance/tac combo bonus.

Regardless, they should let shuffle have a bigger duration in the immunity; it shouldn't be worse than a heavy armor build using forward momentum. Id say 8 seconds minimum.

Daus wrote: »

Unlike healing and using damage shields, you get punished by spamming this unreliable defense mechanic that's situationally strong, but generally weak. There really needs to be some form of mitigation for dodge rolling when getting hit by an undodgeable attack. On top of this, it's horribly unreliable in pve. If you try to dodge roll an AoE that's being placed on the ground you will get hit by the AoE even though your physical body is out of the AoE because the game still considers you to be in your starting position.

This mechanic needs to be fine tuned, and less punishing considering how unreliable it is.

Dodge rolling is in a really good spot right now. No changes necessary.

PvE only here. The only thing that perturbs me about dodge-rolling is the following sequence:
-Melee range of boss.
-Ground erupts into red circle under boss.
-Dodge roll.
-Come out of dodge roll and still be in the freaking red circle.
-Get nailed by red.
-Get frustrated as game seems to be telling me 'Ignore Red Circles!' Grrr.

TLDR: Increase distance covered by dodge-roll or reduce size of red circles so player can get out of them.

If anything, dodge is quite OP in pvp. There is zero reason to buff it. The whole PvE problem is more of an lag issue then dodge not working well. But issues like this should always be fixed.