Crown Store - Forum QQ meltdown

DanteYoda · May 2018

Because the actual game is taking a back seat to the cash store.. obviously customers don't like that and rightly so.

xeNNNNN · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Because its all about a cash grab now mostly, can't earn anything in game like in other MMO's

yeahhhh pretty much this and massive amounts of overpricing on certain convince items. Read if you wish, its not mandatory just for those who wish too and yes i am aware the math isn't perfect but its close enough

this concerns the overpricing of mount lesson packs.

Heres something from one of my previous threads;

"FEEDING MOUNTS - As much as I admit that this one will probably never happen because of corporate greed, I am allowed to dream aren't I? We should be allowed to feed our mounts whenever we want as many times as we want daily WITHOUT paying through the teeth in the crown store. This will allow much of the newer player base to enjoy the game much more as tamerial is pretty big and the wayshrines are good but spread out. Mounting is the only option apart from running but who does that?, then theres cyrodil which has no way shrines beyond "keeps that are yours" which if you dont own that keep getting there is really a mount option only, running takes far too much time to enjoy PvP. If you have the gold or the AP you should be allowed to pay for this with in-game currency that is not purchased with actual money.

If this wont happen then AT LEAST reduce the packs of 10 from 1000 crowns to 500. I would happily buy those at 500 a pack but 1k is really steep for something that is honestly a quality of life thing that should be within the players control not a 1% per day cap with 3 options maxing out at 60 each and if you buy from the crown store you pay a ton which roughly totals to £116.88 (6000 crowns including the additional 750 crowns pack purchase) Per Character which ultimately is £935 for default 8 characters in total, assuming you buy for each category and ensure that you buy all 6 packs for speed, stamina and capacity. That is an insane amount of money to pay for this.

As a note The math was done like this;

1500 Crown purchase is £10.99 (British Pounds) and 750 Crown Purchase is £5.99

3 Catergories so £10.99 x 3 = £32.97 (5500 Crowns) + £5.99 (750 Crowns purchase needed to reach over 6000 for one catergory)

£38.96 x 3 = £116.88 (equation was used to calculate how much it would cost per catergory per character).

£116.88 x 8 = £935 (This equation is to determine how much it would cost in total for all 8 characters - Default character slot amount).

I am aware that the math is not 100% accurate as there is extra crowns coming from the £5.99 purchase and such however it was done to give a general idea and a as close as possible to the true figure as I could to illustrate just how absurd the price is and thats default, not including if you have extra slots."

Ley · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

People seem to be under the impression that the gaming industry should be a labor of love and thus they should be rewarded with love and admiration from their fans rather than real money.

IE: Every other online game that lets you actually earn cosmetics and content while "Playing" the game what it was meant to be for.

Last time I checked, there were tons of cosmetics you could earn in game and they even give away cash ones from time to time for free. Oh wait, are you saying you want ALL cosmetics obtainable in game? From a marketing perspective, I think that's a great idea. I'm sure that will keep the game alive with all the love and admiration it will earn them. Seriously, money is so over rated.

Not every cosmetic but most of it, like Swtor still has a cross balance between in game cosmetics and then the real $ ones, but on the other hand they people purchase the online ones and sell them in game which ZoS does not allow. Even older games like Lotro has more in game cosmetics you can earn while playing the game than ones you can just buy with cash. Same thing with WoW, more cosmetics in game than on cash shop.

I've got some good news for you (you probably already know this), they're introducing Crown Store gifting with Summerset. Which is basically another way of saying "players can sell/trade crowns for gold in game".

You said in a different post "Needs to be more mounts, costumes, pets you can earn in game". Considering the outfit system lets you make more outfit variations than you could possibly create in 10 lifetimes, I'm assuming your primary concern is mounts and pets?

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

Ley wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

People seem to be under the impression that the gaming industry should be a labor of love and thus they should be rewarded with love and admiration from their fans rather than real money.

IE: Every other online game that lets you actually earn cosmetics and content while "Playing" the game what it was meant to be for.

Last time I checked, there were tons of cosmetics you could earn in game and they even give away cash ones from time to time for free. Oh wait, are you saying you want ALL cosmetics obtainable in game? From a marketing perspective, I think that's a great idea. I'm sure that will keep the game alive with all the love and admiration it will earn them. Seriously, money is so over rated.

Not every cosmetic but most of it, like Swtor still has a cross balance between in game cosmetics and then the real $ ones, but on the other hand they people purchase the online ones and sell them in game which ZoS does not allow. Even older games like Lotro has more in game cosmetics you can earn while playing the game than ones you can just buy with cash. Same thing with WoW, more cosmetics in game than on cash shop.

I've got some good news for you (you probably already know this), they're introducing Crown Store gifting with Summerset. Which is basically another way of saying "players can sell/trade crowns for gold in game".

You said in a different post "Needs to be more mounts, costumes, pets you can earn in game". Considering the outfit system lets you make more outfit variations than you could possibly create in 10 lifetimes, I'm assuming your primary concern is mounts and pets?

I meant costumes, because Motifs are not considered costumes, and yes to all 3 of the ones I listed.

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

Cant wait to see how people will react when someone will be able to learn all jewelery traits in 1 day by spending over 40k crowns on research scrolls when others will have to do it in over 3 months

I fully expect it and I don't care. I'll carry on at my own pace and let those for whom stuff like being "first" or "best" etc. carry on their way.

And yes, there will be an effect on the market but I also am not worried about that. See, not needing to be the "best" has a pretty mellowing effect. Been there, did that, decided that it simply wasn't worth it and y'know, I've enjoyed gaming so much more since I stepped off that treadmill.

I know many either quite enjoy it or are resigned to it to get what they think (or actually do) need.

Apache_Kid · May 2018

Let me see if I can explain this to you @Allumis

For myself, I am extremely frustrated with the crown-store because since I have started playing the game, more and more ways to generate revenue have been added to the game (housing, crown-crates, radiant apex mounts, furniture packs) and yet, performance on my platform has gotten exponentially worse since these added sources of revenue have appeared. Crashes are more frequent, bugs and issues take longer to get fixed, you name it. I am frustrated because they are generating more and more revenue and it feels like less and less of that revenue is being invested back into the stability of the infrastructure of the game.

Furthermore, while only cosmetic items are offered in the store, the prices are outrageous. Many of us wait til the 3 or so times a year where they put crowns on sale at a reasonable price and we stock-up.

This past weekend, they decided to **** us and give us the most paltry of discounts during a crown "sale."

They keep pushing the envelope further and further. On the PTS, they added a crown-crate exclusive motif and didn't and an in-game way to acquire it until the backlash rose to a fever pitch.

Their marketing team is working overtime to push us to the brink. We are frustrated because stuff keeps changing. When you offer a consumer a certain sale price for a very long time and then take that sale price away, customers will get pissed.

Anyone who runs a business knows that once you give your customers something, you can't just take it away without offering an alternative or you will run off some customers. I know that I didn't buy any crowns during this "sale" so instead of getting some of my money, they got none of it because they had to be greedy and cut the sale discount so low that it was basically irrelevant.

I couldn't care less about p2w. They could put levels and gold in the crown-store tomorrow and i would not care in the slightest. I have those things already and if others want to waste real life money on that then go crazy idc.

What I do care about, is them continuing to push the envelope and TAKE THINGS AWAY from us with no notice or explanation and them raising prices on us with no notice or explanation.

Whether it is cosmetics or p2w items in the cash-store is irrelevant. Their practices are the very opposite of consumer-friendly between gamble crates and dubious pricing.

maroite · May 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

Cant wait to see how people will react when someone will be able to learn all jewelery traits in 1 day by spending over 40k crowns on research scrolls when others will have to do it in over 3 months

I think you mean they will choose to do it in 3 months? The scrolls are available for purchase by everyone - its only up to you to decide if the price is worth it.

purple-magicb16_ESO · May 2018

It's always been this way. It's the nature of crown stores to bring these kinds of discussions to the community as it seems to put the more hardcore online gaming enthusiasts at odds with casual drive thru gamers. The way I see it crown stores have a tendancy to benefit the organization as much if not more than the individual player and rightly so as this is how they make money. I shop crown store but I'm very selective and really do agonize and assess every purchase so it's a very rare occasion for me (no regrets) and I don't like crates (free ones I'll take

Ley · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

People seem to be under the impression that the gaming industry should be a labor of love and thus they should be rewarded with love and admiration from their fans rather than real money.

IE: Every other online game that lets you actually earn cosmetics and content while "Playing" the game what it was meant to be for.

Last time I checked, there were tons of cosmetics you could earn in game and they even give away cash ones from time to time for free. Oh wait, are you saying you want ALL cosmetics obtainable in game? From a marketing perspective, I think that's a great idea. I'm sure that will keep the game alive with all the love and admiration it will earn them. Seriously, money is so over rated.

Not every cosmetic but most of it, like Swtor still has a cross balance between in game cosmetics and then the real $ ones, but on the other hand they people purchase the online ones and sell them in game which ZoS does not allow. Even older games like Lotro has more in game cosmetics you can earn while playing the game than ones you can just buy with cash. Same thing with WoW, more cosmetics in game than on cash shop.

I've got some good news for you (you probably already know this), they're introducing Crown Store gifting with Summerset. Which is basically another way of saying "players can sell/trade crowns for gold in game".

You said in a different post "Needs to be more mounts, costumes, pets you can earn in game". Considering the outfit system lets you make more outfit variations than you could possibly create in 10 lifetimes, I'm assuming your primary concern is mounts and pets?

I meant costumes, because Motifs are not considered costumes, and yes to all 3 of the ones I listed.

So you chose to ignore the fact that they added effectively an unlimited number of outfits to the game for no extra charge, because they didn't call them costumes?

Saucy_Jack · May 2018

My original complaint with the direction of the crown store had to do with the decision to hide PAGES (not the whole book) of a new motif behind the RNG crates. As someone who prides themselves on being a master crafter, that idea was abhorrent.

THANKFULLY, it would seem they reversed that decision, and have since made those pages available from fishing holes in Summerset.

But just the fact that they were considering the former gives me pause.

DaveMoeDee · May 2018

I feel like it is unfair for people like me (and possibly the OP) to judge the people pissed about the model for selling cosmetics. I just don't give a crap about cosmetics. Personally, I like the crown crates. Pre-crown crates, I got zero cosmetics from the crown store. Post-crown crates, I got a few mounts and pets and other junk from free crown crates.

But I sympathize with people who are willing to spend a lot to buy things in crown stores but aren't interested in throwing money at RNG. These are people who love the game, love cosmetics, and are proven in the past that they are willing to spend a lot. Crown crates sacrifice this kind of 'whale' for whales that love the thrill of gambling/loot boxes and for the lesser spenders who won't spend 5k crowns on a mount, but will spend for a few crates for a chance at something they might like.

If radiant apex mounts were to be sold outright, I wonder how much they would cost. Considering the low drop rate, are we looking at mounts that sell outright for thousands of dollars worth of crowns? Is it possible that charging that much would be more offensive to the player base than crown crates? Or perhaps they can put the mount both in the store for direct purchase and in the crates? If people can spend absurd amounts for space ships in a game not even released, I suppose $10k mounts could sell.

Yzalirk · May 2018

I think it has a lot to do with ZOS focusing too much on both the Crown Store and Crown Crates. I get that they glorify cosmetics because who wants to look like a mismatched mess? Nevertheless, the prices of certain items become more and more anti-consumer friendly.

I have no problem with the Crown Store but am just disappointed they very rarely add anything that I would buy. Most items nowadays seem to be reskins priced poorly and are on sale for a few days. I like the simple things - new hair and beard styles. I will very rarely buy a costume or mount. As for Crown Crates, they need a rework to be more consumer friendly. I get that they are a shameless cash grab, ZOS, but provide players with some sort of safety net, such as an increased chance for something really rare per five crates opened.

Kodrac · May 2018

maroite wrote: »

Yeah. Its a bunch of people attempting to shove their over-the-top morale agendas of whether the community is responsible for the individuals decision to "gamble" their money away onto everyone. (Note: I don't believe crown crates are gambling.)

I'm a strong believer in not being responsible for the decisions or actions involving financial decisions of others.

I can manage my urges and spend responsibly. I also don't NEED to have items in the crown store, so if I feel the price has increased, I just don't buy it. I speak with my money - not by attempting to shame people who make a personal decision to spend THEIR money on something THEY feel is worth it.

Can you be any more over the top with your moral agenda and shaming? Pot meet kettle. Damn.

heaven13 · May 2018

As @Apache_Kid has said, the crown store has become more and more in your face, as well as pushing more and more to see just how much can be wrung out of customers. Prices keep going up (for both crown store items and crowns themselves), the business model continuously changes, new game updates like outfitting and housing are introduced handicapped to push people towards the store, etc.

Mounts used to be 900 crowns. Some of the fancier ones were 1200, a few were 1800. The latest mount to hit the crown store is 3500 crowns which is double the cost of the old fanciest mounts (and is just a reskin of an earlier mount)
You used to be able to buy a 3 pack of costumes for 700 crowns. Now most new costumes are around 1000 crowns for a single costume. Some have gone up to 2000 (and are poorly made with mesh issues that, afaik, are still not fixed).
Crown Exclusive homes are released, all over 10,000 crowns usually for only 4 day limited offer and then they're gone forever (with the one exception of the Tel Galen Tower which was 8,000 crowns unfurnished).
Usually during the same 4 days that the exclusive house is offered, there is also an exclusive furniture pack offered - available the same amount of time and usually 5,000 crowns.
Outfit slots are restricted per character and cost 1500 crowns for a single slot upgrade for each character. They are lost if you delete that character. (Alternately, you can buy an entirely new character slot for the same amount of crowns)
Items continue to be removed for direct purchase from the crown store (not limited time items) and then put in crown crates in later seasons.
Crown crates introduced radiant apex mounts, contrary to the promise that you could buy everything with gems if you didn't get what you wanted.
Crown crates do not have any posted odds anywhere and crates are where the majority focus is of the store team.
ESO+, despite the continual price hikes, continues to only receive 1500 crowns with their sub which isn't enough to buy much of anything directly anymore (but enough to buy a 4 pack of crown crates).
Crown sales have been reduced to 20%, even for the largest pack which, when looked at when conjunction to all of the above, is extremely unappealing to customers.
With the coming update, crown store ads will assault you every time you log in and it's almost the size of the entire screen - first time, ad! Switch characters, ad! Switch back to main, ad! (For a game I pay for, both initially and a sub, I do not need to see ads this often. I don't even like the current ones)

Regarding the business model:

Pay to play
Buy to play, with optional sub
Buy to play, with optional sub and cash shop
Buy to play, with optional sub, cash shop, and RNG crates
Buy to play, with optional sub, cash shop, RNG crates, and subbers have to purchase chapters
Buy to play, with optional sub, cash shop, RNG crates, subbers have to purchase latest chapter but will previous chapter without Warden if they don't already own it (subbers and non-subbers alike get full previous chapter included with purchase of latest chapter)

They cannot make up their mind on which business model they want but they're determined to test and test and test at how much they can pull from my pocket before I get too fed up to bother.

Nestor · May 2018

I understand limited time things and creating some exclusivity with price.

However, if the Marketing People would just stop chasing the Whales, and sold most things at a reasonable price, more people would buy them. They sell a mount for 400 Crowns and it will fly out the door. Heck, maybe even 1200 Crowns and it will still fly. But at 3000 or 4000 Crowns? I know they get some sales, but it can't add up to more than a reasonably priced mount would.

Allumis · May 2018

Maybe its just me, but I just don't get how not having that shiny glittery mount breaks the game for you and makes it unplayable. Even though said mount is exactly the same as any other mount.

If you want to have a unique cosmetic look its offered via the Crown Store, if not then you've got all of the things that are available in the vanilla game. No ones forcing you to pay for Crown Crates or cosmetic items and because they are cosmetic they don't alter or change the overarching game experience.

Perhaps I've got a totally different outlook on this coming from games where the GG shops have always been P2W and coming here its amazing as everyone is on a level playing field where having a fat wallet and lots of disposable income accounts for nothing.

heaven13 · May 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I feel like it is unfair for people like me (and possibly the OP) to judge the people pissed about the model for selling cosmetics. I just don't give a crap about cosmetics. Personally, I like the crown crates. Pre-crown crates, I got zero cosmetics from the crown store. Post-crown crates, I got a few mounts and pets and other junk from free crown crates.

But I sympathize with people who are willing to spend a lot to buy things in crown stores but aren't interested in throwing money at RNG. These are people who love the game, love cosmetics, and are proven in the past that they are willing to spend a lot. Crown crates sacrifice this kind of 'whale' for whales that love the thrill of gambling/loot boxes and for the lesser spenders who won't spend 5k crowns on a mount, but will spend for a few crates for a chance at something they might like.

If radiant apex mounts were to be sold outright, I wonder how much they would cost. Considering the low drop rate, are we looking at mounts that sell outright for thousands of dollars worth of crowns? Is it possible that charging that much would be more offensive to the player base than crown crates? Or perhaps they can put the mount both in the store for direct purchase and in the crates? If people can spend absurd amounts for space ships in a game not even released, I suppose $10k mounts could sell.

I'd have less of a problem with crates :

Odds were published
If people could trade in everything they didn't want. (Keep poor conversion rate for unowned items, bump up conversion rate for duplicates to be nearer to value)
Radiant apex mounts were purchasable with gems

Instead of #2, if everything was available in the store for direct purchase with crowns and crates were just an alternative method to acquire them, I'd also be fine with that.

As it stands now, crates are the only way to get some of these things and you end up with a lot of junk you don't want (sad when it's something someone else does want and not just the actual junk consumables) and you have no idea what the odds are of even getting them. My free crates have basically taught me to never buy crates.

Additionally, for anyone interested in cosmetics (roleplayers, collectors, etc), I am sure it is exceedingly frustrating that the thing they're interested in is the thing that keeps being heavily monetized.

I appreciate your viewpoint because, although you don't necessarily care about cosmetics and don't mind crates, you can see the other side. A lot of times, people post along the lines of "I don't buy cosmetics, it doesn't affect me. ZOS can charge whatever they want". So...basically, ZOS can do whatever they want as long as someone else is footing the bill.

Kodrac · May 2018

Nestor wrote: »

I understand limited time things and creating some exclusivity with price.

However, if the Marketing People would just stop chasing the Whales, and sold most things at a reasonable price, more people would buy them. They sell a mount for 400 Crowns and it will fly out the door. Heck, maybe even 1200 Crowns and it will still fly. But at 3000 or 4000 Crowns? I know they get some sales, but it can't add up to more than a reasonably priced mount would.

Yep. I used to buy more stuff when the crown store was just the crown store. Put the cosmetics in the store at a decent price and I"ll probably buy it. Even the limited time stuff at slightly higher prices was still doable if what was on offer was appealing enough. but since the change to crates, they skipped hyperspace and went straight to plaid.

Hide them behind RNG - Nope!
Older items used to water down the RNG - Nope!
Insane prices (100s of $$ for some things) - Nope!
Bombard me with ads - Nope!

Sorry Zo$, but you're not doing it right.

Sparr0w · May 2018

Meh because it's like £15 for a mount that is available for 5 days & can't be earnt in game. Personally doesn't effect me in any way, just save up the monthly crowns from ESO+ for when something drops that I want.

Will agree that the prices could be lowered a bit, or more crown sales.

Apache_Kid · May 2018

Allumis wrote: »

Maybe its just me, but I just don't get how not having that shiny glittery mount breaks the game for you and makes it unplayable.Even though said mount is exactly the same as any other mount.

If you want to have a unique cosmetic look its offered via the Crown Store, if not then you've got all of the things that are available in the vanilla game. No ones forcing you to pay for Crown Crates or cosmetic items and because they are cosmetic they don't alter or change the overarching game experience.

Perhaps I've got a totally different outlook on this coming from games where the GG shops have always been P2W and coming here its amazing as everyone is on a level playing field where having a fat wallet and lots of disposable income accounts for nothing.

No one is saying this. The arguments you are trying to make are straw-men. We just do not like to be jerked around by a marketing team who's gotten to big for their breeches and thinks that they can keep raising prices on us and reducing our sales to nothing. It's about the unannounced changes without any communication to the player-base. They keep raising prices on things that have been in store forever like mounts and costumes.

No it doesn't break the game or make it unplayable but it leaves a bad-taste in your mouth and its insulting.

TelvanniWizard · May 2018

It´s not about cosmetic stuff, or even about gambling. Those are the least concerns for me. We are, supsosedly, sensible adults. The main issue here is the bussiness model. ZOS is investing more and more time in this crown products, wich are only sold through RNG boxes, multiplicating prices for desired items, wich were already high. Also, the little things that haven´t been moved to the scam crates, that is, monthly showcase for crown store, the things we can buy directly and legitimately (want it, buy it) are each month less and worse, and all of them sold only for limited times, to create impulse buying and artificial scarcity.

Add to that monetization of every new feature in the game, at outrageous prices, like outfit slots. If you take a look at the new jewellry crafting feature you´ll see there is a huge grind, the biggest ever in this game, apart from vMa weapons. That will probably be also monetized. That is the current direction of this game. It´s no longer to make profit giving the playerbase a wonderful product. It´s about squeezing players to get the most of them. You can also see this with one of the latest moves from ZOS, the 20% crowns sale. They used to be 40/50%. Now they have decreased the sale reduction to see if it works, so in the future they can make more money even from sales, wich, profit-wise, won´t actually be "sales", if we consider the raise in crown prices in these last years, and the big increase of store prices.

Dixi.

Beardimus · May 2018

Eyro wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

Yeah. Its a bunch of people attempting to shove their over-the-top morale agendas of whether the community is responsible for the individuals decision to gamble their money away onto everyone.

I'm a strong believer in not being responsible for the decisions or actions involving financial decisions of others.

I can manage my urges and spend responsibly. I also don't NEED to have items in the crown store, so if I feel the price has increased, I just don't buy it. I speak with my money - not by attempting to shame people who make a personal decision to spend THEIR money on something THEY feel is worth it.

I'm not shaming anyone just saying that things need to change because why bother playing the game when more than 99% of the cosmetics are on a transactional cash shop rather than rewards in game

Because its a huge vast, awesome game with plenty to do if you don't focus on the shiny things you don't actually need.

And if its want, well buy them. Just know that that's going to cost you.

Nothing in the game is a need. It’s a game. It is a want by definition. So I’m assuming you would be ok with them selling a top level of gear in the crown store. After all the game isn’t balanced it you could still complete all the content. And the game itself is a want, you wouldn’t need the gear for anything. You could even do well in pvp if your skills were up to snuff and you were careful about who you attacked. Just don’t focus on the fact that someone paid money just to be a little better then you. You don’t actually need them.

And if you want it, just know it is going to cost you.

So your case for cheaper cosmetics is we might as well make the whole game P2W, wow. Scraping the barrel there.

You all insult all competitive players that also like cosmetics. You make it sound that people that like cosmetics are care bear RPers who don't want a healthy competitive game.

Lol good one.

Noisivid · May 2018

Allumis wrote: »

Maybe its just me, but I just don't get how not having that shiny glittery mount breaks the game for you and makes it unplayable. Even though said mount is exactly the same as any other mount.

If you want to have a unique cosmetic look its offered via the Crown Store, if not then you've got all of the things that are available in the vanilla game. No ones forcing you to pay for Crown Crates or cosmetic items and because they are cosmetic they don't alter or change the overarching game experience.

Perhaps I've got a totally different outlook on this coming from games where the GG shops have always been P2W and coming here its amazing as everyone is on a level playing field where having a fat wallet and lots of disposable income accounts for nothing.

People play the game for different reasons.
For some people the cosmetics are a huge part of the gameplay.
For alot of RPers having the correct outfits, emotes, costumes/wardrobe and mount is essential.

Cosmetics do change the game experience for some people.
and the cosmetics are not just in the crown store, many are locked in crown crates, behind RNG.

There are no posted odds.

If I actually cared about the cosmetics in any significant way, this would really irritate me

You don't have to agree with it, or even understand it.

As to the original post.... other posters have already mentioned ZOSes marketing practices. the "sale" that brought crown prices back down to what they used to be, etc, etc, etc

TheCyberDruid · May 2018

maroite wrote: »

I think you mean they will choose to do it in 3 months? The scrolls are available for purchase by everyone - its only up to you to decide if the price is worth it.

Yep, because it's only a matter of choice, not by any means of available money to spend on video games.

Beardimus · May 2018

To be honest all this thread is proving is ZOS is right.

I always seen Cosmetics as a side thing i can take or leave. And assumed most where the same.

The passion to scream in this thread that for many the game is the cosmetics and collecting it all means ZOS has targetted the right group. As they get pennies out of me in comparison.

I now see why most costumes in crown store are civilian themed etc

Jhalin · May 2018

90% of all cosmetics are in the crown store. There’s been a whopping zero mounts added to the earnable pool in-game since the game first released. The earnable costumes are of...questionable quality, aside from some as part of DLC rewards, which are still technically paygated.

The base game hasn’t ever had a significant content update to make rerunning content appealing, and now ZOS is selling dungeon themed outfit styles and not even bothering to attach them to running the dungeons their designed around. (No, the helm and shoulders don’t count because nobody likes those ugly things and we can already wear them just by pulling the gear out of our banks)

They had a CLEAR and SENSIBLE way to involve cosmetics more heavily into playing the game in a way that would actually get people back into non-pledge dungeons, and instead they’re just shoving giant crown store ads in our face and holding out grubby hands for our credit cards.

heaven13 · May 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

To be honest all this thread is proving is ZOS is right.

I always seen Cosmetics as a side thing i can take or leave. And assumed most where the same.

The passion to scream in this thread that for many the game is the cosmetics and collecting it all means ZOS has targetted the right group. As they get pennies out of me in comparison.

I now see why most costumes in crown store are civilian themed etc

Well, I guess ZOS should offer up some weapons/skills/gear that you like in the store as well. As long as it doesn't outperform what you can get in the game, it wouldn't be P2W and maybe then they could squeeze everyone equally.

Juhasow · May 2018

maroite wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Cant wait to see how people will react when someone will be able to learn all jewelery traits in 1 day by spending over 40k crowns on research scrolls when others will have to do it in over 3 months

I think you mean they will choose to do it in 3 months? The scrolls are available for purchase by everyone - its only up to you to decide if the price is worth it.

I think You dont realize that during 1st month after update release those people will be able to get any payment they want for crafting 9 traits sets jewelery.

Malacthulhu · May 2018

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

Just giving some good criticism before its to late

I am utterly gob-smacked.

Some of the ESO players need to go play some of the other MMOs using GG systems especially the Korean ones where its total P2W and your characters levelling speed, abilities and stats can be directly influenced and bought via the in game gold store. Heck I remember playing PWO where you could buy Dragon Orbs to refine your equipment and people were spending thousands of £££'s just to have an OPed character, or buying Nix feathers from random crates so you could have a PvP pet that 1 hit everyone.

If its totally cosmetic people need to get a bloody grip, your gaming experience does not change or diminish due to not having a specific cosmetic item.

Ohh, I see lol. So for example if I go out and order dinner and it comes with a turd on it I should go to a place that serves worse food to appretiate the first place. People giving feedback about something that obviously doesnt effect you is whinning bc your opinion is different? lol, Obviously you are trolling or struggle to think. Btw who are you to tell people how to spend there money how they want?

Eyro · May 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Eyro wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

Allumis wrote: »

I'm sorry and please forgive my ignorance, but why so much QQ on the forums over the crown store?

I've not been back in game long and don't intend on using the GG store but what is available in the Crown Store that's causing so many cries and utter meltdown all over the forums?

Is it just cosmetics or are we talking game changing items and boosts?

-confused-

Just cosmetics. With some really cool mounts obtainable only via RNG.

Wow, just wow all these threads and all this total animosity to the devs over cosmetic items?

You've got to be kidding me right?

Yeah. Its a bunch of people attempting to shove their over-the-top morale agendas of whether the community is responsible for the individuals decision to gamble their money away onto everyone.

I'm a strong believer in not being responsible for the decisions or actions involving financial decisions of others.

I can manage my urges and spend responsibly. I also don't NEED to have items in the crown store, so if I feel the price has increased, I just don't buy it. I speak with my money - not by attempting to shame people who make a personal decision to spend THEIR money on something THEY feel is worth it.

I'm not shaming anyone just saying that things need to change because why bother playing the game when more than 99% of the cosmetics are on a transactional cash shop rather than rewards in game

Because its a huge vast, awesome game with plenty to do if you don't focus on the shiny things you don't actually need.

And if its want, well buy them. Just know that that's going to cost you.

Nothing in the game is a need. It’s a game. It is a want by definition. So I’m assuming you would be ok with them selling a top level of gear in the crown store. After all the game isn’t balanced it you could still complete all the content. And the game itself is a want, you wouldn’t need the gear for anything. You could even do well in pvp if your skills were up to snuff and you were careful about who you attacked. Just don’t focus on the fact that someone paid money just to be a little better then you. You don’t actually need them.

And if you want it, just know it is going to cost you.

So your case for cheaper cosmetics is we might as well make the whole game P2W, wow. Scraping the barrel there.

You all insult all competitive players that also like cosmetics. You make it sound that people that like cosmetics are care bear RPers who don't want a healthy competitive game.

Lol good one.

No I was pointing out that right now only one side of the money making machine is being tapped. Why does it make sense for the people who enjoy cosmetics to be the only one who support the game?

And point out in my post where I insulted anyone.
To quote you,

Lol good one.