Tip : the best way to avoid buying crown crates!

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

I wonder, just how many truly "addicted" folk there are? And, yes, dealing with addiction does require willpower. An inordinate amount.

As for "worth", that's very subjective and can only be defined by the person considering purchase.

Vulsahdaal · May 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

I wonder, just how many truly "addicted" folk there are?

In my own opinion, there are very, very few people who are truly 'addicted'.
However, there is a much greater number of people who tend to confuse the meanings of the words 'want' and 'need', believing them to be one and the same. But thats just my own experience..

SorataArisugawa · May 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

Not sure if they have these where you live but...Kinder Eggs.

Aimed squarely at the wee ones. It's as much a gamble (albeit at a lower price point by far) and everyone I know here was raised with these and not a single one of 'em turned into a gambling fool.

And if some of the little ones extremely want one special thing from the Kinder eggs, she/he can beg her/his parent and they could buy it from a trading place, that is, because they are real goods.

But it is different with virtual goods you know? the seller is staying the owner in a way and is able to prevent you from getting what you want. Additionally he will increase the force for you to buy more and more. And the only counter for that is "just don't play" it, play something different...

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

I wonder, just how many truly "addicted" folk there are?

In my own opinion, there are very, very few people who are truly 'addicted'.
However, there is a much greater number of people who tend to confuse the meanings of the words 'want' and 'need', believing them to be one and the same. But thats just my own experience..

Quite.

I was a bit crazy with purchasing when I first came back last October. I had fun with it, built up a nice level of gems and have slowed down markedly since. There are a couple things I collect and I have even taken a pass on some of those because they just don't seem worth it to me.

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

Not sure if they have these where you live but...Kinder Eggs.

Aimed squarely at the wee ones. It's as much a gamble (albeit at a lower price point by far) and everyone I know here was raised with these and not a single one of 'em turned into a gambling fool.

And if some of the little ones extremely want one special thing from the Kinder eggs, she/he can beg her/his parent and they could buy it from a trading place, that is, because they are real goods.

But it is different with virtual goods you know? the seller is staying the owner in a way and is able to prevent you from getting what you want. Additionally he will increase the force for you to buy more and more. And the only counter for that is "just don't play" it, play something different...

I'm not sure I follow you.

The idea is to sell, so why would they (seller) want to prevent you from getting what you want? It's random. Just as the eggs are. Unless you buy a package (of eggs) that is specifically marked at "at least one in four will yield the current "season's" line) you have no idea what you'll end up with aside from some crappy "chocolate".

Also how can any adult be forced to buy more and more. That's a choice thing. If someone gets stubborn and decides they're going to go head to head with RNG, well, that's a choice. They aren't being forced to do that. Or did you mean...tempt? Yeah, they do that. It's called "marketing".

I've been kind of surprised by how many people seem offended by marketing that they are surrounded with on a daily basis. Online, television, in print; everywhere. I don't see all of this (ESO) as any worse than the "pressure" put on us via other mediums and I react similarly. If it's something I want and my budget allows, great! If not...nothing is going to "con" me into caving and buying it, nor would I cave and buy KinderEggs for a kid if it wasn't appropriate to do so.

NordSwordnBoard · May 2018

Peoples' passion for ending crown crates usually ends itself when its suggested they go to an actual legislator to propose that action be taken.

Game loot boxes/gambling could get regulated, but it takes a dedicated lobby to influence politicians to see that through.

Or just argue about to no end, instead of taking action. Thats so much easier, isn't it?

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Peoples' passion for ending crown crates usually ends itself when its suggested they go to an actual legislator to propose that action be taken.

Game loot boxes/gambling could get regulated, but it takes a dedicated lobby to influence politicians to see that through.

Or just argue about to no end, instead of taking action. Thats so much easier, isn't it?

It is. It's much much easier to whinge about something. My in-laws are famous for this. They grouse, moan, carry on but when I suggest they actually DO something about it and offer to help...

*crickets*

Humans, eh?

Rawkan · May 2018

Don't buy them? There's no magical entity forcing you to buy cosmetics.

Have the money? Buy yourself some nice (actual physcial) clothes instead.

DanteYoda · May 2018

I've had some really good luck outta mine but i still agree with the op.. and just for the record if you must buy the gambling crates buy the middle pack not the 15 pack.. i think those are rigged badly..

SorataArisugawa · May 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

Not sure if they have these where you live but...Kinder Eggs.

Aimed squarely at the wee ones. It's as much a gamble (albeit at a lower price point by far) and everyone I know here was raised with these and not a single one of 'em turned into a gambling fool.

And if some of the little ones extremely want one special thing from the Kinder eggs, she/he can beg her/his parent and they could buy it from a trading place, that is, because they are real goods.

But it is different with virtual goods you know? the seller is staying the owner in a way and is able to prevent you from getting what you want. Additionally he will increase the force for you to buy more and more. And the only counter for that is "just don't play" it, play something different...

I'm not sure I follow you.

The idea is to sell, so why would they (seller) want to prevent you from getting what you want? It's random. Just as the eggs are. Unless you buy a package (of eggs) that is specifically marked at "at least one in four will yield the current "season's" line) you have no idea what you'll end up with aside from some crappy "chocolate".

Also how can any adult be forced to buy more and more. That's a choice thing. If someone gets stubborn and decides they're going to go head to head with RNG, well, that's a choice. They aren't being forced to do that. Or did you mean...tempt? Yeah, they do that. It's called "marketing".

I've been kind of surprised by how many people seem offended by marketing that they are surrounded with on a daily basis. Online, television, in print; everywhere. I don't see all of this (ESO) as any worse than the "pressure" put on us via other mediums and I react similarly. If it's something I want and my budget allows, great! If not...nothing is going to "con" me into caving and buying it, nor would I cave and buy KinderEggs for a kid if it wasn't appropriate to do so.

I see, that you don't follow me.

The seller prevents you from getting what you want, through very small chances to get the desired items. Furthermore it is easy for the seller of virtual goods to change the drop chances on the fly. If you want to skip the randomness of the eggs, you can buy the figure from someone, who got the figure already (not implying that would be a great idea for virtual goods in this game because of the possible backslashes).

Normally you play in a certain area, which is called "the game". You see what you can do there, and if some things are fun in this game world, you play it and during this, you achieve some things you want. But now there are things, that are part of the game (are obtainable), but you have to buy them with real money (so far so good, not a huge problem, because I like to support the game). If the things fit your play style, you will buy them. If you are not interested, you don't. But if you would fit in your play style but you can't buy them directly but have to gamble for them it becomes unfair. The for my play style good thing is not obtainable for me, except with a huge load of luck or a even greater amount of money. Parts of the game form me are behind an gamble, and I have to stop this part of the game. If I want to play the part of the game, I am forced to gamble and that's is not right.
Marketing would be: you can buy it for 5000 crowns or get it in a 400 crown crate with a certain chance. Locking something exclusively behind a gamble is no marketing, it is scam.

If I don't want to buy something in the real world, because it is to expensive, that's okay. I can dispense with it or get the use from somewhere else for less money for example. That is not possible in the virtual world, where the seller stays the owner of the good, because he provides the (game-) world, were the good got a value. The only possible thing for me is to quite the game, and find a game without this system. That is not possible if every game uses these kind of tricks...

Speaking of "real world marketing": guess why there is no such thing as a super marked where you buy a certain chance of getting an apple... The people would by the apple somewhere else instead with good reason. But a seller of virtual goods got an Monopoly of his goods and can do such disgusting gambles with its costumers... and you are even defending this mess!

SorataArisugawa · May 2018

Rawkan wrote: »

Don't buy them? There's no magical entity forcing you to buy cosmetics.

Have the money? Buy yourself some nice (actual physcial) clothes instead.

You don't have to get better gear if it would be purchasable in the shop as well. But it would be called P2W with good reason. So your point just shows ignorance

DanteYoda · May 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

ESO is rated M (17+)

17 is not an adult, and different countries have different rules.. Here in Aus its classed as M

The content is moderate in impact.

Films and computer games classified M (Mature) contain content of a moderate impact and are recommended for teenagers aged 15 years and over.

Children under 15 may legally access this material because it is an advisory category. However, M classified films and computer games may include classifiable elements such as violence and nudity of moderate impact that are not recommended for children under 15 years.

Parents and guardians may need to find out more about the film or computer game’s specific content, before deciding whether the material is suitable for their child.

So here its legal for 15 year old to buy ESO... 18 is gambling limit in Aus...

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

-snip-

And if some of the little ones extremely want one special thing from the Kinder eggs, she/he can beg her/his parent and they could buy it from a trading place, that is, because they are real goods.

But it is different with virtual goods you know? the seller is staying the owner in a way and is able to prevent you from getting what you want. Additionally he will increase the force for you to buy more and more. And the only counter for that is "just don't play" it, play something different...

I'm not sure I follow you.

The idea is to sell, so why would they (seller) want to prevent you from getting what you want? It's random. Just as the eggs are. Unless you buy a package (of eggs) that is specifically marked at "at least one in four will yield the current "season's" line) you have no idea what you'll end up with aside from some crappy "chocolate".

Also how can any adult be forced to buy more and more. That's a choice thing. If someone gets stubborn and decides they're going to go head to head with RNG, well, that's a choice. They aren't being forced to do that. Or did you mean...tempt? Yeah, they do that. It's called "marketing".

I've been kind of surprised by how many people seem offended by marketing that they are surrounded with on a daily basis. Online, television, in print; everywhere. I don't see all of this (ESO) as any worse than the "pressure" put on us via other mediums and I react similarly. If it's something I want and my budget allows, great! If not...nothing is going to "con" me into caving and buying it, nor would I cave and buy KinderEggs for a kid if it wasn't appropriate to do so. [/quote]

I see, that you don't follow me.

The seller prevents you from getting what you want, through very small chances to get the desired items. Furthermore it is easy for the seller of virtual goods to change the drop chances on the fly. If you want to skip the randomness of the eggs, you can buy the figure from someone, who got the figure already (not implying that would be a great idea for virtual goods in this game because of the possible backslashes).

Know what I've seen in regard to this? If something is *too* common, people won't buy it because they want to be special. I guess it's a fine line. Happily, I don't care about what others think is über or cool, only what I like.

Normally you play in a certain area, which is called "the game". You see what you can do there, and if some things are fun in this game world, you play it and during this, you achieve some things you want. But now there are things, that are part of the game (are obtainable), but you have to buy them with real money (so far so good, not a huge problem, because I like to support the game). If the things fit your play style, you will buy them. If you are not interested, you don't. But if you would fit in your play style but you can't buy them directly but have to gamble for them it becomes unfair. The for my play style good thing is not obtainable for me, except with a huge load of luck or a even greater amount of money. Parts of the game form me are behind an gamble, and I have to stop this part of the game. If I want to play the part of the game, I am forced to gamble and that's is not right.
Marketing would be: you can buy it for 5000 crowns or get it in a 400 crown crate with a certain chance. Locking something exclusively behind a gamble is no marketing, it is scam.

Can't argue that. I'm not a huge fan of crates although I have purchased them when I'm in the mood to take a chance. Still, it's a tried and true marketing method (KinderEggs, trading cards etc.) so where I'm coming from is the rage. If one doesn't want to take a chance to get that very rare item, well, they don't have to.

If I don't want to buy something in the real world, because it is to expensive, that's okay. I can dispense with it or get the use from somewhere else for less money for example. That is not possible in the virtual world, where the seller stays the owner of the good, because he provides the (game-) world, were the good got a value. The only possible thing for me is to quite the game, and find a game without this system. That is not possible if every game uses these kind of tricks...

All of marketing is "tricks". This is where I diverge from the angst. Rarely do you see a seller say: Here's my stuff; buy it or not. They market things, sometimes reasonably, sometimes using psychology and human nature to manipulate. Is that right or wrong? I think it's not a good thing but then I am not susceptible to the ploys.

Speaking of "real world marketing": guess why there is no such thing as a super marked where you buy a certain chance of getting an apple... The people would by the apple somewhere else instead with good reason. But a seller of virtual goods got an Monopoly of his goods and can do such disgusting gambles with its costumers... and you are even defending this mess!

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But there are so many things out there that are what I think of as "blind items", the aforementioned Eggs, card collections, lotteries, grab bags, etc.

No, I'm not defending it actually. I'm saying that it is pretty common and that we, as consumers, need to know our limits. If we find a company who indulges in tactics/methods that we don't like, pretty much the only thing that will possibly change their minds is to not buy from them. Or, if it's illegal, rat them out.

Their point is to sell. Ours is to decide if we wish to buy the product no matter how it's offered be it out in the open (preferred) or hidden in an egg or a box.

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

Rawkan wrote: »

Don't buy them? There's no magical entity forcing you to buy cosmetics.

Have the money? Buy yourself some nice (actual physcial) clothes instead.

You don't have to get better gear if it would be purchasable in the shop as well. But it would be called P2W with good reason. So your point just shows ignorance

But that isn't the issue here. P2W is not a good thing but currently there is no P2W so that's moot.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

I wonder, just how many truly "addicted" folk there are? And, yes, dealing with addiction does require willpower. An inordinate amount.

As for "worth", that's very subjective and can only be defined by the person considering purchase.

I believe gambling is more addictive than nearly anything on the face of the planet tbh.

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

I wonder, just how many truly "addicted" folk there are? And, yes, dealing with addiction does require willpower. An inordinate amount.

As for "worth", that's very subjective and can only be defined by the person considering purchase.

I believe gambling is more addictive than nearly anything on the face of the planet tbh.

I don't. It is addictive, for some, no doubt but I am skeptical about it being used as a stance in this situation. I doubt there are the numbers for that to be a big consideration.

As for addictions themselves; if they are causing problems with someone's life, it's all pretty much the same. In fact, I think substance abuse is probably more a problem due to dual issues of physical addiction and mental (vastly simplified but this isn't the place for that discussion, I guess).

maroite · May 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

ESO is rated M (17+)

17 is not an adult, and different countries have different rules.. Here in Aus its classed as M

The content is moderate in impact.

Films and computer games classified M (Mature) contain content of a moderate impact and are recommended for teenagers aged 15 years and over.

Children under 15 may legally access this material because it is an advisory category. However, M classified films and computer games may include classifiable elements such as violence and nudity of moderate impact that are not recommended for children under 15 years.

Parents and guardians may need to find out more about the film or computer game’s specific content, before deciding whether the material is suitable for their child.

So here its legal for 15 year old to buy ESO... 18 is gambling limit in Aus...

This topic has become synonymous with dead horse. Lets beat it more.

DanteYoda · May 2018

maroite wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

ESO is rated M (17+)

17 is not an adult, and different countries have different rules.. Here in Aus its classed as M

The content is moderate in impact.

Films and computer games classified M (Mature) contain content of a moderate impact and are recommended for teenagers aged 15 years and over.

Children under 15 may legally access this material because it is an advisory category. However, M classified films and computer games may include classifiable elements such as violence and nudity of moderate impact that are not recommended for children under 15 years.

Parents and guardians may need to find out more about the film or computer game’s specific content, before deciding whether the material is suitable for their child.

So here its legal for 15 year old to buy ESO... 18 is gambling limit in Aus...

This topic has become synonymous with dead horse. Lets beat it more.

15 year olds legally gambling is not beating a dead horse imo, yes its gambling.

Wrubius_Coronaria · May 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

I wonder, just how many truly "addicted" folk there are? And, yes, dealing with addiction does require willpower. An inordinate amount.

As for "worth", that's very subjective and can only be defined by the person considering purchase.

From my personal experience :

I have to convince myself to buy crown crates anymore, and before that I had to do a lot of work, i.e. understand they work, intellectualise the whole microtransaction system in ESO. Convince about how pointless it is to spend any money about cosmetics, because once the game will be uninstalled definitly from my pc (it will come soon), nothing positve will remain except feeling guilty for all the money that I have wasted in this game. Because even I will to stop to buy these shiny things, well it's difficult and i can tempted at any moment. Like with the 6 free crown crates we received recently, immediatly after I wanted to buy of them and I had to convince myself to not doing it.
That they are nothing else than small parts of the game locked behind a cash shop. (minimum work from ZOS for maximum profit with scam and predatory tactics, I understand their goal is to do more profits, but lootboxes are a disgusting method).
And see microtransactions like that help me to avoid them. And I know I have to careful, because i'm already thinking about the next season of crown crates despite the fact I hate them.

It could be worse, I spend less money actually, honestly I hoped that I was able to enjoy to it's fullest without having to give a lot of money outside of my subscription and being worry about my crown store/crates temptation. In comparison to others games, the comestics that we can earn in game is ridiculous. (and the best rewards are kept behind the crown store, .e.g horn of the reach skin, the ugliest you can have it in game when the other is replaced by the keptu mask)

Riptide · May 2018

I’ve got such mixed feelings about the crates. On one hand it exploits people who just. can’t. stop. Gives me the mehs.

In the other hand, there is an evil side to me that says these pitiful weak people WILL find their fix somewhere, its better than the nerds collecting useless firearms and raging up somewhere. Might as well fund my hobby while we are at it.

I go back and forth between those two views.

They were fine in my opinion before the bedazzled radiants or whatever the goofy mounts are that can’t be traded for stones. Thats the line that made the system meh. I bet countless parents have had to pay for their teenagers/6th year college kid’s bedazzled mounts, and a lot of spouses have had to tell their spouse that they went out and got hookers and blow, because spending 2k on an ugly video game mount is literally more embarassing.

Rouven · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

I wonder, just how many truly "addicted" folk there are? And, yes, dealing with addiction does require willpower. An inordinate amount.

As for "worth", that's very subjective and can only be defined by the person considering purchase.

I believe gambling is more addictive than nearly anything on the face of the planet tbh.

Wait for it ... Video Games. Bam.

Addiception.

boombazookajd · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

@boombazookajd
And stop tagging me in your messages, be nice just once.

maroite wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

which in turn keeps the servers going, the staff paid, and more content coming out

@Boombazookajd

Is it a beautiful lie that you repeat yourself as a mantra every time you buy some crown crates it to feel less guilty? The game runs with a better perfomance and had less bugs and issues since these gamble boxes has been added in game? No, of course not. It's a nice bonus for them for increase their profit. That's all.

The rest of your message, well, I have no words. But it's quite the same of your previous message.

I like how you're condescending towards people who buy crown crates. If people are buying them, it's their choice. If they get enjoyment from them its their choice.

People get enjoyment from cigarettes and alcohol, both of which are exactly as you describe crates in your OP. You drink/smoke them, they're gone, your money is gone, and you're left with what? A hang over? Or worse a DUI or cancer?

The hard fact is that you don't have any right or power to dictate what others can spend their money on and that's pretty much the end of this conversation. You can put up ALL of the "proof" you want, but in the end it's not your decision and you shouldn't be attacking/belittling others because they don't agree with you.

The best part is you're also paying for a subscription to play with digital goods, that you don't know if it'll actually be available tomorrow or not and you're belittling others for purchasing digital goods, for the same game that you're paying a subscription. The difference is what?

@maroite

I'm not sure why I am tagged? I think you should tag Caitsith?

on a separate note..

are we really back to this? This was so April. How did this come up AGAIN!?

Serjustin19 · May 2018

Aye, I've wasted all my monthly crowns (2month) in crowns, majority was poison and junk. (I'm magicka) but the 150% lvl scroll I'll use. I won't use cat though, but I'll save it.

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll join in on the "just don't buy them" team.

Willpower. It's a thing.

Even when you are addicted and struggle to convince yourself to not buy them? Despite the fact you know they are not worth to be bought?

I wonder, just how many truly "addicted" folk there are? And, yes, dealing with addiction does require willpower. An inordinate amount.

As for "worth", that's very subjective and can only be defined by the person considering purchase.

From my personal experience :

I have to convince myself to buy crown crates anymore, and before that I had to do a lot of work, i.e. understand they work, intellectualise the whole microtransaction system in ESO. Convince about how pointless it is to spend any money about cosmetics, because once the game will be uninstalled definitly from my pc (it will come soon), nothing positve will remain except feeling guilty for all the money that I have wasted in this game. Because even I will to stop to buy these shiny things, well it's difficult and i can tempted at any moment. Like with the 6 free crown crates we received recently, immediatly after I wanted to buy of them and I had to convince myself to not doing it.
That they are nothing else than small parts of the game locked behind a cash shop. (minimum work from ZOS for maximum profit with scam and predatory tactics, I understand their goal is to do more profits, but lootboxes are a disgusting method).
And see microtransactions like that help me to avoid them. And I know I have to careful, because i'm already thinking about the next season of crown crates despite the fact I hate them.

It could be worse, I spend less money actually, honestly I hoped that I was able to enjoy to it's fullest without having to give a lot of money outside of my subscription and being worry about my crown store/crates temptation. In comparison to others games, the comestics that we can earn in game is ridiculous. (and the best rewards are kept behind the crown store, .e.g horn of the reach skin, the ugliest you can have it in game when the other is replaced by the keptu mask)

Your first sentence, well first part of it. Why do you need to "convince yourself". If you're not happily doing so, then don't?

I'm not being snarky but using that phrase tells me that you're not happy to buy and need to convince yourself to buy. In that case, I simply...wouldn't buy. Also, your last sentence (before your edit, to clarify); if you hate them, then don't buy them. I'm sorry to sound so blunt but hating something and then trying to convince yourself that whilst you hate them, you need to buy them is, well, not sensible.

Maybe a better way for you to look at this...if you need to convince yourself to buy them and ZoS's methods anger you due to "predatory" (I disagree but we're coming at this from your POV) it should be easier to say: Not only no but HELL no to buying crates. Use that anger to build up the willpower and stop trying to convince yourself to buy something you hate. Either that or decided that "teh shinies" aren't worth it and that you can play the game just fine without them.

I did the whole crate thing for awhile; partially for fun and partially to get a stock of gems. Now, I rarely buy them, maybe at the beginning of each new "season" IF there's anything I want in there and I always check the preview.

SHADOW2KK · May 2018

If weak people wanna spend loads of money on meaningless shiny crates, then go for it, the money they spend benefits us all, not our problem if they go into debt or otherwise or have no willpower.

Me, I am happy subbing and buying chapters when they come out.

Crown Store is not a problem to a strong mindset or one wherein it has no effect at all.

maroite · May 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

maroite wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

For one, we are adults and should be treated as such.

This is a game that children play as well. Don't forget that.
Also, even adults have addictions and this is a type of gambling.

ESO is rated M (17+)

17 is not an adult, and different countries have different rules.. Here in Aus its classed as M

The content is moderate in impact.

Films and computer games classified M (Mature) contain content of a moderate impact and are recommended for teenagers aged 15 years and over.

Children under 15 may legally access this material because it is an advisory category. However, M classified films and computer games may include classifiable elements such as violence and nudity of moderate impact that are not recommended for children under 15 years.

Parents and guardians may need to find out more about the film or computer game’s specific content, before deciding whether the material is suitable for their child.

So here its legal for 15 year old to buy ESO... 18 is gambling limit in Aus...

This topic has become synonymous with dead horse. Lets beat it more.

15 year olds legally gambling is not beating a dead horse imo, yes its gambling.

Except its not gambling and purchasing crowns is not actually part of the game. You get kicked out to a secondary program (ESO Site, Steam, PS Store, MS Store) to purchase crowns.

boombazookajd wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

@boombazookajd
And stop tagging me in your messages, be nice just once.

maroite wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

which in turn keeps the servers going, the staff paid, and more content coming out

@Boombazookajd

Is it a beautiful lie that you repeat yourself as a mantra every time you buy some crown crates it to feel less guilty? The game runs with a better perfomance and had less bugs and issues since these gamble boxes has been added in game? No, of course not. It's a nice bonus for them for increase their profit. That's all.

The rest of your message, well, I have no words. But it's quite the same of your previous message.

I like how you're condescending towards people who buy crown crates. If people are buying them, it's their choice. If they get enjoyment from them its their choice.

People get enjoyment from cigarettes and alcohol, both of which are exactly as you describe crates in your OP. You drink/smoke them, they're gone, your money is gone, and you're left with what? A hang over? Or worse a DUI or cancer?

The hard fact is that you don't have any right or power to dictate what others can spend their money on and that's pretty much the end of this conversation. You can put up ALL of the "proof" you want, but in the end it's not your decision and you shouldn't be attacking/belittling others because they don't agree with you.

The best part is you're also paying for a subscription to play with digital goods, that you don't know if it'll actually be available tomorrow or not and you're belittling others for purchasing digital goods, for the same game that you're paying a subscription. The difference is what?

@maroite

I'm not sure why I am tagged? I think you should tag Caitsith?

on a separate note..

are we really back to this? This was so April. How did this come up AGAIN!?

I think it did misquote... I meant to quote Caitsith. Sorry!

Graydon · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Highlighted the last sentence out of complete disbelief of what I’m reading.

For real?

We get to choose (perk of being a grown up) to say Yes or No. Our actions have consequences. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Impulse shopping and out of control spending is a lack of maturity. A childish mentality expects to be bailed out blaming everyone and everything else.

maroite · May 2018

Graydon wrote: »

Caitsith wrote: »

And when we are vulnerable about all these things, being an adult is not enough and absolutely not a good reason to not be manipulated and vunerable. (please don't give me the poor agurment of personal responsability)

Highlighted the last sentence out of complete disbelief of what I’m reading.

For real?

We get to choose (perk of being a grown up) to say Yes or No. Our actions have consequences. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

I agree. My mind is blown. "Don't argue that people should be responsible for their own actions!" ................... I just... I can't anymore. lol

Wrubius_Coronaria · May 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Your first sentence, well first part of it. Why do you need to "convince yourself". If you're not happily doing so, then don't?

I'm not being snarky but using that phrase tells me that you're not happy to buy and need to convince yourself to buy. In that case, I simply...wouldn't buy. Also, your last sentence (before your edit, to clarify); if you hate them, then don't buy them. I'm sorry to sound so blunt but hating something and then trying to convince yourself that whilst you hate them, you need to buy them is, well, not sensible.

Maybe a better way for you to look at this...if you need to convince yourself to buy them and ZoS's methods anger you due to "predatory" (I disagree but we're coming at this from your POV) it should be easier to say: Not only no but HELL no to buying crates. Use that anger to build up the willpower and stop trying to convince yourself to buy something you hate. Either that or decided that "teh shinies" aren't worth it and that you can play the game just fine without them.

I did the whole crate thing for awhile; partially for fun and partially to get a stock of gems. Now, I rarely buy them, maybe at the beginning of each new "season" IF there's anything I want in there and I always check the preview.

I think my message wasn't clear or has been misundertood.

Despite the fact that I don't like them, I'm still buying them time to time, same with spending money on shiny things in crown store, I know it hurt me more than rewarding me and helping to enjoy the game, but I'm still doing it.

That's the problem. I don't lack of will of whatever, I'm feeling like traped in some ways. Compulsive customer.

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

Caitsith wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Your first sentence, well first part of it. Why do you need to "convince yourself". If you're not happily doing so, then don't?

I'm not being snarky but using that phrase tells me that you're not happy to buy and need to convince yourself to buy. In that case, I simply...wouldn't buy. Also, your last sentence (before your edit, to clarify); if you hate them, then don't buy them. I'm sorry to sound so blunt but hating something and then trying to convince yourself that whilst you hate them, you need to buy them is, well, not sensible.

Maybe a better way for you to look at this...if you need to convince yourself to buy them and ZoS's methods anger you due to "predatory" (I disagree but we're coming at this from your POV) it should be easier to say: Not only no but HELL no to buying crates. Use that anger to build up the willpower and stop trying to convince yourself to buy something you hate. Either that or decided that "teh shinies" aren't worth it and that you can play the game just fine without them.

I did the whole crate thing for awhile; partially for fun and partially to get a stock of gems. Now, I rarely buy them, maybe at the beginning of each new "season" IF there's anything I want in there and I always check the preview.

I think my message wasn't clear or has been misundertood.

Despite the fact that I don't like them, I'm still buying them time to time, same with spending money on shiny things in crown store, I know it hurt me more than rewarding me and helping to enjoy the game, but I'm still doing it.

That's the problem. I don't lack of will of whatever, I'm feeling like traped in some ways. Compulsive customer.

Then you need to address this, Caitsith. It's not a good thing for you to be dealing with. Please try to get some help for it. Serious, not being snarky here.

I wish your strength and success with getting past this.