StamSorc Max Stam difficult to get higher.

ArchMikem · May 2018

As a magsorc i could manage to get my magic as high as 43k using the Mage and Armor on a non BiS race. But as a Stamsorc with the armor I'm barely pushing 37k with the warrior due to weapon damage taking priority. Without my armor toggled I'm stuck at a measly 34k with food. How is that even viable? To compare I've seen Alcast make a build that sits at 41k stam with the armor.

So really I'm missing out on 4,000 stamina cause I'm not a Redguard? It'd be Christmas morning if they gave the max stam passive back to Khajiit...

Vapirko · May 2018

That amount of stamina is very normal. Stamina builds cannot stack resources like magicka can. The only way to get higher as you say is to slot bound armaments. I haven’t seen an alcast build with flat 41k stam since the old days but yes a redguard would definitely help with that over an orc or whatever you may be. With bone pirates, bound armor and medium on an orc I get 37-38k max stam on my stam sorc. But if you watch someone like Fengrush you’ll see he plays without bound armaments and typically has been 30-34k stam albeit for PvP. But whatever stats your looking at for Alcast that could be with any number of buffs or maybe warhorn? But for a non redguard PvE build I think your on track. 34-37k stam is fine.

beetleklee · May 2018

You won't get as much stam as a mag build gets magicka, but stam builds also have higher weapon damage compared to mag build's spell damage.

What you have is pretty normal.

Schattenfluegel · May 2018

Maybe horn was active, too... then you will get over 40k stamina

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · May 2018

You need to build for Max Stam if you want high stamina, is use hulking draugur or bone pirate. I use hulking on my stamplar, get around 40k Stam with 60% critical and 3.5k weapon damage.

GreenhaloX · May 2018

5-piece Hulking.. It's the stam equivalent of Necro. Throw in ShackleB and you'll be as high (no..no, not 420) as mag with Necro, but you're shorting yourself of overall weapon dam. However, 37-39k is very good for stam toons.

SmellyUnlimited · May 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

That amount of stamina is very normal. Stamina builds cannot stack resources like magicka can. The only way to get higher as you say is to slot bound armaments. I haven’t seen an alcast build with flat 41k stam since the old days but yes a redguard would definitely help with that over an orc or whatever you may be. With bone pirates, bound armor and medium on an orc I get 37-38k max stam on my stam sorc. But if you watch someone like Fengrush you’ll see he plays without bound armaments and typically has been 30-34k stam albeit for PvP. But whatever stats your looking at for Alcast that could be with any number of buffs or maybe warhorn? But for a non redguard PvE build I think your on track. 34-37k stam is fine.

He plays without Bound Armaments?? What does he use in the slots instead? Crit surge and vigor are usually worthless in a trial. The heavy attack bonus alone can make a big difference on dps. Very interested to hear why, and how, he runs it that way.

jkolb2030 · May 2018

It also depends on what sets you are running on your stam sorc .. With VO and Acuity, my stamsorc sits at 40-41k max stam with bound armaments - also running 5/1/1 for the undaunted mettle passive.

Other sets like Hundings, sunder, NMG etc seem to land you somewhere between 35-38k max stam - very normal for stam builds to sit around that number with "meta" sets.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2018

jkolb2030 wrote: »

It also depends on what sets you are running on your stam sorc .. With VO and Acuity, my stamsorc sits at 40-41k max stam with bound armaments - also running 5/1/1 for the undaunted mettle passive.

Other sets like Hundings, sunder, NMG etc seem to land you somewhere between 35-38k max stam - very normal for stam builds to sit around that number with "meta" sets.

In full damage setup, 7 medium armor, 5 VO, 5 Automaton, 2 Monster (veli or storm fist), I sit at 38.5k stam with bound armaments. You could push it higher, but I think you are making tradeoffs that wont necesarrily result in more damage. I could break 40 going 5/1/1, but I honestly dont think that is the better choice. Next patch with LA scaling, it might be. One reason sorcs are doing so well on PTS is that they have the highest stamina pools which now affect LA damage a lot more than they used to.

jkolb2030 · May 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jkolb2030 wrote: »

It also depends on what sets you are running on your stam sorc .. With VO and Acuity, my stamsorc sits at 40-41k max stam with bound armaments - also running 5/1/1 for the undaunted mettle passive.

Other sets like Hundings, sunder, NMG etc seem to land you somewhere between 35-38k max stam - very normal for stam builds to sit around that number with "meta" sets.

In full damage setup, 7 medium armor, 5 VO, 5 Automaton, 2 Monster (veli or storm fist), I sit at 38.5k stam with bound armaments. You could push it higher, but I think you are making tradeoffs that wont necesarrily result in more damage. I could break 40 going 5/1/1, but I honestly dont think that is the better choice. Next patch with LA scaling, it might be. One reason sorcs are doing so well on PTS is that they have the highest stamina pools which now affect LA damage a lot more than they used to.

Yeah its all personal preference.. I use 5VO/5 Acuity 2 stormfist for damage and have raid parsed at 66k+ consistently with 40k stam at 5/1/1. I also just like storm fist over veli for some reason, but veli could be better single target lol.

I will have to readjust for the new LA changes in summerset i am sure.

EDIT: I've also found that all of my stam toons seem to parse higher running 6 medium 1 heavy compared to 5/1/1 and full medium... Cannot explain it with any reasoning aside from the fact that the numbers are just higher at the end of the parses.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2018

jkolb2030 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jkolb2030 wrote: »

It also depends on what sets you are running on your stam sorc .. With VO and Acuity, my stamsorc sits at 40-41k max stam with bound armaments - also running 5/1/1 for the undaunted mettle passive.

Other sets like Hundings, sunder, NMG etc seem to land you somewhere between 35-38k max stam - very normal for stam builds to sit around that number with "meta" sets.

In full damage setup, 7 medium armor, 5 VO, 5 Automaton, 2 Monster (veli or storm fist), I sit at 38.5k stam with bound armaments. You could push it higher, but I think you are making tradeoffs that wont necesarrily result in more damage. I could break 40 going 5/1/1, but I honestly dont think that is the better choice. Next patch with LA scaling, it might be. One reason sorcs are doing so well on PTS is that they have the highest stamina pools which now affect LA damage a lot more than they used to.

Yeah its all personal preference.. I use 5VO/5 Acuity 2 stormfist for damage and have raid parsed at 66k+ consistently with 40k stam at 5/1/1. I also just like storm fist over veli for some reason, but veli could be better single target lol.

I will have to readjust for the new LA changes in summerset i am sure.

EDIT: I've also found that all of my stam toons seem to parse higher running 6 medium 1 heavy compared to 5/1/1 and full medium... Cannot explain it with any reasoning aside from the fact that the numbers are just higher at the end of the parses.

I think on live, you are really splitting hairs with 7, 6/1, or 5/1/1. You pretty much need the later if your want to break 40k stam, which may be much more important next patch. I too almos always run stormfist on my stam sorc. Haha. Dont really know why; it just feels good. My gut is that stormfist is better ST in a raid, and Veli is better AOE, so I think you could theoretically swap for trash and bosses, but I never bother.

ArchMikem · May 2018

jkolb2030 wrote: »

It also depends on what sets you are running on your stam sorc .. With VO and Acuity, my stamsorc sits at 40-41k max stam with bound armaments - also running 5/1/1 for the undaunted mettle passive.

You're a BiS Race though right? To get it into the 40s.

jkolb2030 · May 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jkolb2030 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jkolb2030 wrote: »

It also depends on what sets you are running on your stam sorc .. With VO and Acuity, my stamsorc sits at 40-41k max stam with bound armaments - also running 5/1/1 for the undaunted mettle passive.

Other sets like Hundings, sunder, NMG etc seem to land you somewhere between 35-38k max stam - very normal for stam builds to sit around that number with "meta" sets.

In full damage setup, 7 medium armor, 5 VO, 5 Automaton, 2 Monster (veli or storm fist), I sit at 38.5k stam with bound armaments. You could push it higher, but I think you are making tradeoffs that wont necesarrily result in more damage. I could break 40 going 5/1/1, but I honestly dont think that is the better choice. Next patch with LA scaling, it might be. One reason sorcs are doing so well on PTS is that they have the highest stamina pools which now affect LA damage a lot more than they used to.

Yeah its all personal preference.. I use 5VO/5 Acuity 2 stormfist for damage and have raid parsed at 66k+ consistently with 40k stam at 5/1/1. I also just like storm fist over veli for some reason, but veli could be better single target lol.

I will have to readjust for the new LA changes in summerset i am sure.

EDIT: I've also found that all of my stam toons seem to parse higher running 6 medium 1 heavy compared to 5/1/1 and full medium... Cannot explain it with any reasoning aside from the fact that the numbers are just higher at the end of the parses.

I think on live, you are really splitting hairs with 7, 6/1, or 5/1/1. You pretty much need the later if your want to break 40k stam, which may be much more important next patch. I too almos always run stormfist on my stam sorc. Haha. Dont really know why; it just feels good. My gut is that stormfist is better ST in a raid, and Veli is better AOE, so I think you could theoretically swap for trash and bosses, but I never bother.

haha yeah, I have to agree that storm fist is just overall a better feel.. and its just pretty badass! But yeah, i think its all pretty minimal when it comes to 5/1/1 or full 7 at this point.. maybe summerset changes that - it would be interesting.

ArchMikem wrote: »

jkolb2030 wrote: »

It also depends on what sets you are running on your stam sorc .. With VO and Acuity, my stamsorc sits at 40-41k max stam with bound armaments - also running 5/1/1 for the undaunted mettle passive.

You're a BiS Race though right? To get it into the 40s.

If a Redguard counts at BiS, then yes.. Really i only switched to a Redguard because of the sustain issues i was personally running into while parsing etc.. The adrenaline rush passive is just really helpful.

You should be fine to run other races though - i was running an imperial for a while and it didnt seem to be much different. The stam pools were the same, but no sustain passives.

ArchMikem · May 2018

jkolb2030 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

jkolb2030 wrote: »

It also depends on what sets you are running on your stam sorc .. With VO and Acuity, my stamsorc sits at 40-41k max stam with bound armaments - also running 5/1/1 for the undaunted mettle passive.

You're a BiS Race though right? To get it into the 40s.

If a Redguard counts at BiS, then yes.. Really i only switched to a Redguard because of the sustain issues i was personally running into while parsing etc.. The adrenaline rush passive is just really helpful.

You should be fine to run other races though - i was running an imperial for a while and it didnt seem to be much different. The stam pools were the same, but no sustain passives.

If I switch out Velidreth for a set that gives a max stam bonus then I can get it to 38k. I've also realized if I switch out NMG for Hunding's that may bump it up more to around 39k, or just shy of 40k. I may end up doing that since they're changing the 5pc bonus of NMG in Summerset.

But yes Khajiit may have that piddly 8% Weapon Crit, but the rest of it's passives are crappy. 10% Stam Regen BARELY helps and the additional damage from Stealth only works if you're a Gank build. The 20% Health regen is useless for many people. But I stick with running Khajiit cause they're my favorite Race.