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why is crafting jewelry so prohibitively grindy?
Wing
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its not like we were unable to run 5-5-2 setups before?
its not like crafted sets are better then drop sets?
so why does it require 10x the amount of grind compared to EVERY other craft in the game.
this was a quality of life fix the player base has been asking for, and you finally decide to implement it behind the worst crafting grind in the history of ESO?!
are you serious, give us a response, explain to your players why its so bad. (incoming EA "pride and accomplishment" quote)
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Edited by Wing on May 7, 2018 7:15PM its not like crafted sets are better then drop sets?
so why does it require 10x the amount of grind compared to EVERY other craft in the game.
this was a quality of life fix the player base has been asking for, and you finally decide to implement it behind the worst crafting grind in the history of ESO?!
are you serious, give us a response, explain to your players why its so bad. (incoming EA "pride and accomplishment" quote)
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_RichLambert
ESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.
game got too disappointing.
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are definitely players on both sides here. Many feel the upgrade cost is extremely high. At least a few feel that any cost is fine.
However, I'd really like to hear from ZOS about why the 10x across the board material cost was implemented. I think the assumption, before we had any other info was that the costs would be similar to other crafts. Without knowing anything else, what else would we expect. ZOS chose to implement 10x but without giving a reasoning. It could have been 3x, 5x or even 50x really. Can we get some feedback on why 10 was chosen please?3 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Most players agree that it’s grindy in its current state ...
... BUT ...
... we didn’t need yet another PTS thread to talk about it.
The existing ones in PTS and General Discussion work fine.2 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Most players agree that it’s grindy in its current state ...
... BUT ...
... we didn’t need yet another PTS thread to talk about it.
The existing ones in PTS and General Discussion work fine.
The more the better i say. Jewelry crafting in its currency form is inaccessible to the majority of players due to the grind. This is an important issue.16 -
Mannox✭✭✭I would rather see the forum spammed with duplicate or independent posts about the same complaint. Generates more attention. Consolidating every response to one thread kills the interest and to me seems more like an effort to diffuse rather than expand. I'd rather see a thousand podiums.18 -
XiDiabolismiX✭✭✭They did it so nobody would max it out quick. I honestly believe that’s the only reason. I’m pretty sure I caught them saying it on one of their streams too. Something along the lines of wanting it to take months and months before we are able to max it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭XiDiabolismiX wrote: »They did it so nobody would max it out quick. I honestly believe that’s the only reason. I’m pretty sure I caught them saying it on one of their streams too. Something along the lines of wanting it to take months and months before we are able to max it.
They're going to be selling research scrolls for it in the Crown Store though.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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✭✭✭XiDiabolismiX wrote: »They did it so nobody would max it out quick. I honestly believe that’s the only reason. I’m pretty sure I caught them saying it on one of their streams too. Something along the lines of wanting it to take months and months before we are able to max it.
Maxing the skill line and getting/researching all the traits are the easy parts.
The real problem are the upgrade mats because we need 10 times the amount compared to the other crafting skills.
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WhipSmartMcoy✭✭✭Are you guys telling me you need 80 platinum plates to upgrade a ring from purple to gold?!0
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reoskit✭✭✭✭✭
✭WhipSmartMcoy wrote: »Are you guys telling me you need 80 platinum plates to upgrade a ring from purple to gold?!
To make any of the (refined) mats that go into JC, you must first have 10 raw. Thus, the 10x grind.0 -
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✭✭WhipSmartMcoy wrote: »Are you guys telling me you need 80 platinum plates to upgrade a ring from purple to gold?!
Upgrading Purple Jewelry to Gold requires 80 x Gold Upgrade Mats (Chromium)Edited by Lord_Eomer on May 8, 2018 3:32PM0 -
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✭Edited by Ley on May 8, 2018 3:46PMLeylith - MagSorc | Leyloth - StamPlar | Leynerd - MagPlar | Leylit - StamBlade | Ley Eviticus - StamDK | Leydor - MagDen | Leylum - StamSorc | Leylux - MagBlade1 -
schattenkind✭✭✭The most players affected by this grind will be those:
- not having time to play several hours every day
- not having millions gold in bank or the possibility to get enough to buy the stuff
- not paying real money to shorten the grind
This not-players will be the majority.
Players who can invest a lot of time into playing and/or have enough cash (ingame / rl) will max JC first anyway.
Again the minority is to be measured on, but the minority will not be hit that hard as the majority...PC - EU
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Gallagher563✭✭✭To the average player that is under cp 160 their is no point in jewelry crafting because you will level too quickly to gain enough materials at any level to craft anything and the upgrade materials will be so scarce because you need 10X the number. To me that seems really misguided and appears that they didn't really spare any thoughts for the average player.0
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Menelaos✭✭✭✭Zenimax launching a grindy crafting profession while having the Crown Store convenience scrolls ready to remedy your pain is purely accidental, is it not? It also falls in line with a 20% Crown package discount to help stock up your time savers....und Gallileo dreht sich doch!
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✭✭✭✭Zenimax launching a grindy crafting profession while having the Crown Store convenience scrolls ready to remedy your pain is purely accidental, is it not? It also falls in line with a 20% Crown package discount to help stock up your time savers.
The thing is, the research time isn't what most people are complaining about.
I'm fine with the research times, the real issue is the cost of Upgrade mats (10x the cost to upgrade than any other crafting profession), which will not be in the crown-store. There's no way to save the time on the mat farming which is the real problem with this whole thing.4 -
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✭✭Don't understand all of the other crafting was a grind at the beginning so what did people expect0 -
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✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »Don't understand all of the other crafting was a grind at the beginning so what did people expect
You don't understand that this is not like any of the other crafting professions. it takes 10x the upgrade mats to upgrade a piece as it does any other profession. Comparing it to the other professions is wrong.9 -
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✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Don't understand all of the other crafting was a grind at the beginning so what did people expect
You don't understand that this is not like any of the other crafting professions. it takes 10x the upgrade mats to upgrade a piece as it does any other profession. Comparing it to the other professions is wrong.
So it takes a bit of a effort that's not a bad thing , if we could just smash it out it would get boring after awhile guess Zos wants us to put some effort so that it's around awhile , before we are moaning for the next trend0 -
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✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Don't understand all of the other crafting was a grind at the beginning so what did people expect
You don't understand that this is not like any of the other crafting professions. it takes 10x the upgrade mats to upgrade a piece as it does any other profession. Comparing it to the other professions is wrong.
So it takes a bit of a effort that's not a bad thing , if we could just smash it out it would get boring after awhile guess Zos wants us to put some effort so that it's around awhile , before we are moaning for the next trend
It's not "a bit of effort" it's much much more than that. Not sure how to link individual comments so I will copy and paste this post from another thread by @code65536
"Gold out 3 pieces of jewelry? That's insanity. You'll need 240 grains. At 5% chance of a grain per refinement, that's 4800 refinements, and at 10 raw mats per refinement, that's 48K raw mats, or 240 stacks of raw mats. Each node harvest yields an average of 3.85 raw mats (50% chance at 3, 50% chance at 4 plus 10% chance of double harvest from CP passive). That's nearly 12.5K nodes that need to be harvested.
How quickly you can harvest the nodes, though, is variable. It'll depend on the density of spawns, how many people are competing for them, whether you completely ignore and skip the other nodes you come across, etc.
If you harvest a node every 15s, that's 52 hours of non-stop harvesting. 104 hours if it's a node every half minute. 208 hours if it's a node per minute. Oh, and one week of a full-time job is 40 hours. Except that pays you, whereas here, you're paying ZOS for the jewelry crafting "feature"."
This is not "a bit of effort" its ZoS trying to get us to pick up another full time job.Edited by Apache_Kid on May 9, 2018 2:22PM14 -
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✭White wabbit wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Don't understand all of the other crafting was a grind at the beginning so what did people expect
You don't understand that this is not like any of the other crafting professions. it takes 10x the upgrade mats to upgrade a piece as it does any other profession. Comparing it to the other professions is wrong.
So it takes a bit of a effort that's not a bad thing , if we could just smash it out it would get boring after awhile guess Zos wants us to put some effort so that it's around awhile , before we are moaning for the next trend
From the start of the game, mat cost has always been the same. 8 gold mats, 4 purple, 2 blue, 1 green for every full upgrade.
Jewlery is 80gold, 40purple, 20blue 10green. Do you honestly have 70 hours in a week to farm 10k raw mats to get 80 gold tempers? I know I don't.Bosmer Stamina NB
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Menelaos✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »I'm fine with the research times, the real issue is the cost of Upgrade mats (10x the cost to upgrade than any other crafting profession), which will not be in the crown-store. There's no way to save the time on the mat farming which is the real problem with this whole thing.
Yes, there is a way to save time on mat farming and - surprise! - would involve the Crown Shop, too. But I'm afraid that if Zenimax would go down that road they'd get a dolmen dropped on their HQ.
...und Gallileo dreht sich doch!
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Darlon✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »I'm fine with the research times, the real issue is the cost of Upgrade mats (10x the cost to upgrade than any other crafting profession), which will not be in the crown-store. There's no way to save the time on the mat farming which is the real problem with this whole thing.
Yes, there is a way to save time on mat farming and - surprise! - would involve the Crown Shop, too. But I'm afraid that if Zenimax would go down that road they'd get a dolmen dropped on their HQ.
New in the next series of Crown Crates... Small chance of getting a full Chromium Plating (10 grains...).....3 -
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✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Don't understand all of the other crafting was a grind at the beginning so what did people expect
You don't understand that this is not like any of the other crafting professions. it takes 10x the upgrade mats to upgrade a piece as it does any other profession. Comparing it to the other professions is wrong.
So it takes a bit of a effort that's not a bad thing , if we could just smash it out it would get boring after awhile guess Zos wants us to put some effort so that it's around awhile , before we are moaning for the next trend
From the start of the game, mat cost has always been the same. 8 gold mats, 4 purple, 2 blue, 1 green for every full upgrade.
Jewlery is 80gold, 40purple, 20blue 10green. Do you honestly have 70 hours in a week to farm 10k raw mats to get 80 gold tempers? I know I don't.
No only 69 hours to spare0 -
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✭White wabbit wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Don't understand all of the other crafting was a grind at the beginning so what did people expect
You don't understand that this is not like any of the other crafting professions. it takes 10x the upgrade mats to upgrade a piece as it does any other profession. Comparing it to the other professions is wrong.
So it takes a bit of a effort that's not a bad thing , if we could just smash it out it would get boring after awhile guess Zos wants us to put some effort so that it's around awhile , before we are moaning for the next trend
From the start of the game, mat cost has always been the same. 8 gold mats, 4 purple, 2 blue, 1 green for every full upgrade.
Jewlery is 80gold, 40purple, 20blue 10green. Do you honestly have 70 hours in a week to farm 10k raw mats to get 80 gold tempers? I know I don't.
No only 69 hours to spare
Not sure if serious...
Btw most people play 10-30 hours a week. People work for a living, or goto school and many have families like myself. Besides, 90% of that time should be spent playing the actual game. You know, trials, pvp, dungeons, questing, not farming.
Nobody has the time to pull full time working hours to get the mats needed to refine 80 tempers. It's beyond ridiculous.Edited by mr_wazzabi on May 9, 2018 3:50PMBosmer Stamina NB
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Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Don't understand all of the other crafting was a grind at the beginning so what did people expect
You don't understand that this is not like any of the other crafting professions. it takes 10x the upgrade mats to upgrade a piece as it does any other profession. Comparing it to the other professions is wrong.
So it takes a bit of a effort that's not a bad thing , if we could just smash it out it would get boring after awhile guess Zos wants us to put some effort so that it's around awhile , before we are moaning for the next trend
From the start of the game, mat cost has always been the same. 8 gold mats, 4 purple, 2 blue, 1 green for every full upgrade.
Jewlery is 80gold, 40purple, 20blue 10green. Do you honestly have 70 hours in a week to farm 10k raw mats to get 80 gold tempers? I know I don't.
No only 69 hours to spare
Not sure if serious...
Btw most people play 10-30 hours a week. People work for a living, or goto school and many have families like myself.
Nobody has the time to pull full time working hours to get the mats needed to refine 80 tempers. It's beyond ridiculous.
He's not being serious, hes trolling. Hence the "69 hours" comment...6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is a reminiscence to the time when they introduced CP 150 tier mats and decon gave only 1 refined mat with nodes being scarce on top. People were farming IC sewers for days on end just to get enough mats to craft 1 full set.
It’s just much worse with jewelry.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0
