Is it time to give all players the craft bag without subcription?

Maikon · May 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

There is just too many mats now in the game and jewlery mats on the way, no way to play now without subscription, it became like one of those free to play games.

People still buy dlc assistants and other stuff from crown store just cause they dont sub they dont have to suffer

If you are suffering because you don't get a crafting bag in a game, you might want to stop playing and do something else with your life.

lygerseye · May 2018

Sting864 wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

I don't think that's the case... I do not remember subscribing to ESO+ without the crafting bag....

Well, clearly you didn't subscribe during that time period.

Clearly I did.... considering I have been playing ESO since 2013....

Because I was bored...

ESO Plus introduced with Tamriel Unlimited (announcement made Jan 21, 2015, released April 4, 2015)

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/25031

Unlimited Crafting Bags:

“Yep, crafting bags are absolutely in the plan. We are scheduling them to be in the Dark Brotherhood update which is in quarter 2 (2016). They will be an exclusive for ESO Plus subscribers but essentially it will give you an infinite inventory for crafting materials.” — Matt Frior

http://esoacademy.com/news/infinite-crafting-space-bags/

DB released on May 31st for PC, June 14 for consoles (announcement dated April 26, 2016)

Base Game Patch:
Craft Bags, for storing nearly unlimited crafting materials, included with an ESO Plus membership

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25657

Time between introduction of ESO+ and addition of Unlimited Crafting Bags (on PC): April 4, 2015 thru May 31, 2016 = 424 days, or 1 year, 1 month, 27 days.

kip_silverwolf · May 2018

neverwalk wrote: »

To make things fair for those concerned. After 24 months of ESO+, craft bag should be added to players account.

@neverwalk If we did get it added to our accounts, would you still sub?

and No, I don't think it should ever be available to non-subs, for many of the reasons already mentioned.

ADarklore · May 2018

Apparently people here still do not know how to recognize troll threads. One of the easiest way to tell, is when the OP never responds again to their own thread after starting it.

Slick_007 · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

some of the content should be open to everyone.. like jewelry crafting, like crafting bag... it is the right thing to do.. too bad Righteous always get defeated by Greed.

your greed you mean? its not your content yet you are the one demanding stuff for free.

Both are leaned towards greed imo

well, nobody here can force you to be right i guess.

JKorr · May 2018

AlnilamE wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Ima eso plus subscriber and have been for years. But i come to realize this is the only reason why i still have a craft bag... only thing you get from eso + that I care bout is dlc and craft bag.

But this craft bag is such a need in this game that just imagining not having one would make me not want to play this game.

Some players have 14/14 characters with full bank space and full storage chest inventory.

Why? Because they have to sit on so many reagents and random armor styles etc.

I think to make craft bag only available to subscribers for this long is a mistake. I guarantee this decision has pushed thousands if not millions away from the game. And you cant blame them craft bag is a need in this game. But its blocked by a monthly sub...

I feel like zos is worried if they give it out free there will be outrage by the subscribers. But in reality who cares worst comes to worst you lose subscribers but you hold on to the players that are debating whether or not the craft bag is a deal breaker to them.

#CraftBagEquality

they do that there will be enough threads thatll eventually force them to change it back. me personally i would riot over it because i have paid for it for this long no it shouldnt be free.

Why? We paid for a subscription when the game was subscription only and they decided that a subscription was no longer needed to play. Did the complaints back then make them change their minds about that?

The many, many, many outraged posts about how console users had to pay for microsoft gold or psn whatever IN ADDITION TO a sub out numbered the posts from players [probably on pc] who wanted to keep the sub model. Didn't matter that people pointed out that console players who wanted to play any other online game or games would need to pay for the microsoft gold/psn whatever anyway. I'm pretty sure Sony originally saying they wouldn't require the psnwhatever for ESO, and then changing it didn't help any.

DanteYoda · May 2018

Toast_STS wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

ESO+ is far more than a craft bag.. Anyone who says they only use it for that is either lying or not played free in so long they've forgotten how limited free actually is..

I only play PvP. Yes there is also double bank space and Imperial City but it is not worth it for me.

Well yeah when you only play one tiny pointless aspect of a mmo maybe eso+ is not required for those niche customers...

JKorr · May 2018

nvm; someone already posted the link

Jayman1000 · May 2018

Craft bag is not a need. It certainly is annoying not to have the craft bag if you want to craft. And it's not even necessary to craft to play the game. Saying it's a need in the game itself is overly dramatic.

lihentian · May 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Craft bag is not a need. It certainly is annoying not to have the craft bag if you want to craft. And it's not even necessary to craft to play the game. Saying it's a need in the game itself is overly dramatic.

three years ago, i wouldn't need a crafting bag.. but now?? now there are nearly 400 type of crafting material... they are introducing more and more motif, and every motif come with their own trait stone.. with jewelry craft coming it should that 400 record..

plus all crafting material come in nice stack of 200.. which is very convenient since we only need 5 stack(near 1k) to craft a set of armor at max level.............

Also.. very true, you don't have to do crafting.. same can be said about Housing... and every part of the game.. in fact you don't even have to launch the game.. ever.. that icon on your desktop should be more then enough to stare at...

edit: just saying.. even with eso+ i still have inventory issue.. because i was foolish enough to play with housing system.. my bank and chest are filled with furniture..yes you don't have to play housing.. just like you don't have to build anything in mine craft.. or to ever leave your base in league of legend...

Jayman1000 · May 2018

lihentian wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Craft bag is not a need. It certainly is annoying not to have the craft bag if you want to craft. And it's not even necessary to craft to play the game. Saying it's a need in the game itself is overly dramatic.

three years ago, i wouldn't need a crafting bag.. but now?? now there are nearly 400 type of crafting material... they are introducing more and more motif, and every motif come with their own trait stone.. with jewelry craft coming it should that 400 record..

plus all crafting material come in nice stack of 200.. which is very convenient since we only need 5 stack(near 1k) to craft a set of armor at max level.............

Also.. very true, you don't have to do crafting.. same can be said about Housing... and every part of the game.. in fact you don't even have to launch the game.. ever.. that icon on your desktop should be more then enough to stare at...

edit: just saying.. even with eso+ i still have inventory issue.. because i was foolish enough to play with housing system.. my bank and chest are filled with furniture..yes you don't have to play housing.. just like you don't have to build anything in mine craft.. or to ever leave your base in league of legend...

Crafting and housing can be compared in the way you do it; I agree, you don't have to do housing, just as you don't have to do crafting. But you can do crafting as free player and you can do housing for free too. Crafting becomes easier with the craft bag I agree of course. And I don't disagree that this works like a limitation or annoyance that you pay to get rid of, shich is not a desirable thing in my book. I'd much rather get some fun out of paying for sub, than paying to not be annoyed. But they have to figure out first then a fun substitute for the craft bag, that people desires as mush as they desire getting rid of the annoyance of not having a craft bag. Until that happens giving craft bag for free would be foolish and just make ZOS lose subs.

However I don't agree that you don't have to launch the game (if you wan't to play it that is: you can't play the game without launching it, so I don't think that is appropriate to compare a need to launching the game with a perceived need for the crafting bag.).

pod88kk · May 2018

No

Mureel · May 2018

Just stop. Really. Every single post I see that's all 'give free things always!' I just think that you have no idea how the world works.

Go to a free pool.
Then go to a private pool.

You can tell the difference straight away!

I don't really want to have any more freeloading chumps crowding this game than we already have.

Back to required sub is Best Option.

I really hope we go back to that.

klowdy1 · May 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

ZOS would lose too much money by giving the craft bag to everyone.

ZoS makes more $ on the crown store than subs right now

That doesn't mean they can afford to lose out on profit somewhere else. Just assume half of the subscribers cancel because they get the crafting bag for free. Do you think ZOS would be willing to let that slide, or would they make it up elsewhere?

pdebie64b16_ESO · May 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

There is just too many mats now in the game and jewlery mats on the way, no way to play now without subscription, it became like one of those free to play games.

People still buy dlc assistants and other stuff from crown store just cause they dont sub they dont have to suffer

Choices, no suffering at all, what do you want more, a craft bag or crown store items, you can get both but not for free.

White wabbit · May 2018

klowdy1 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

ZOS would lose too much money by giving the craft bag to everyone.

ZoS makes more $ on the crown store than subs right now

That doesn't mean they can afford to lose out on profit somewhere else. Just assume half of the subscribers cancel because they get the crafting bag for free. Do you think ZOS would be willing to let that slide, or would they make it up elsewhere?

This is correct the subs is a regular Monthly income can't see zos giving that up , because I reckon 75% of eso plus members would drop the sub if crafting bag was free or could be bought

jaekobcaed · May 2018

As much as I'd love to say I agree with this idea (as I can't really afford a subscription at this time and I don't have a credit card so I couldn't get it even if I could afford it), I personally think that it'd be wrong to remove incentives from ESO Plus. ZOS needs to make money somehow and ESO Plus is a huge part of that. Remove incentives from ESO Plus, fewer players pay for it. Fewer players pay for ESO Plus, we get more microtransactions that lean more towards pay-to-win.

Currently, ESO has what I consider to be the PERFECT MMO business model with its buy-to-play base, optional subscription fee to add some bonuses and free game currency, and the option of buying costumes/mounts/pets/etc with real-life money. Guild Wars 2 came close with their business model but ESO has achieved the perfect business model for an online RPG in my opinion.

So, would I say no to the crafting bag being given to all players? Absolutely not. But do I think it should be done? Not really, as ESO Plus is a huge part of what is helping to keep this game the incredible experience that it is.

disintegr8 · May 2018

Disagree with making the crafting bag available outside of ESO+.

ZOS need income to continue developing the game and the craft bag is the sole reason a lot of people sub (myself included). To take that away from ESO+ would cause a huge drop off in subscribers which would hurt their revenue.

I'm not seeing any suggestions as to what incentive could replace it to keep people subscribing and I cannot see the game going back to a required sub.

prototypefb · October 2018

more bag/storage space is really needed since ever new patch in game is designed to push players towards eso+ purchase(more sets, more materials, more drops in general).
eso+ should reward more, no question but no eso+ players also shouldn't be reqired addons to manage inventory.
make game fun to play instead of endless micromanaging things like inventory.
to this day there are huge amount of items that don't stack, all items of the same type should always stack, even if it's rng based sacks and likes.

Chrysa1is · October 2018

Ive said and said this again. ESO+ is literally just a crafting bag. No one gets it for any other reason.

edit*: It is funny because the crafting bag is not essential unless you hoard hard.

zaria · October 2018

prototypefb wrote: »

more bag/storage space is really needed since ever new patch in game is designed to push players towards eso+ purchase(more sets, more materials, more drops in general).
eso+ should reward more, no question but no eso+ players also shouldn't be reqired addons to manage inventory.
make game fun to play instead of endless micromanaging things like inventory.
to this day there are huge amount of items that don't stack, all items of the same type should always stack, even if it's rng based sacks and likes.

Large part of why I stopped playing ESO one year after launch was the inventory mini game.
With ESO+ its pretty manageable as long as you have some self control, you don't need 5 ebon boots if you don't have any tanks

I had, cut it down to two. Weapons and purple jewelry might be worth hanging on to if decent sets, no they are unlikely to update old sets. But even second tire ones is nice for alts.

gurluasb16_ESO · October 2018

A compromise woul be a craftbag with limited space.
Something like 100 slots, and if you sub you get the unlimited one.

Caligamy_ESO · October 2018

At the very least they could at least let items stack beyond 200 to alleviate much of this burden, but they know its the crippling push to make people sub.

Cpt_Teemo · October 2018

What ESO should do is make ESO tokens just like WoW tokens someone buys token for 20$ lists on the in game vendor which Zo$ creates in game in every hub and multiples so they don't get flooded and has a base price which fluctuates based on how many buy and sell etc.

Option 1: Month of sub without 1500 crowns
Option 2: +1500 crowns no 30 day sub

idk · October 2018

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Ima eso plus subscriber and have been for years. But i come to realize this is the only reason why i still have a craft bag... only thing you get from eso + that I care bout is dlc and craft bag.

But this craft bag is such a need in this game that just imagining not having one would make me not want to play this game.

Some players have 14/14 characters with full bank space and full storage chest inventory.

Why? Because they have to sit on so many reagents and random armor styles etc.

I think to make craft bag only available to subscribers for this long is a mistake. I guarantee this decision has pushed thousands if not millions away from the game. And you cant blame them craft bag is a need in this game. But its blocked by a monthly sub...

I feel like zos is worried if they give it out free there will be outrage by the subscribers. But in reality who cares worst comes to worst you lose subscribers but you hold on to the players that are debating whether or not the craft bag is a deal breaker to them.

This is a statement from someone who seems to not understand the business nature of the crafting bag and ESO+.

It is very simple and it is even stated in the OP that the crafting bag is an amazing benefit that is the reason many of us are subscribers. More so than any other ESO+ perk.

I for one was about to drop my sub when the crafting bag was announced and it is clear OP feels the same way.

In other words, the crafting bag was not only a great addition to the game but it was also, and still is, a great business decision for Zos to lock it behind ESO+ and keep it there.

So the answer to the title question is clearly, NO>

Sevalaricgirl · October 2018

Absolutely not. Honestly, they'd lose most of their subscribers that way and where would the game be, going the way of Wildstar,

Flynch · October 2018

Just have a crafting bag of 100 per item limit, for sale. It's so simple.

Dreepa · October 2018

The way it is handled right now is good for the game. It keeps up the money flow and generates good income for the company, and this means we have an alive and continued game.

No experiments here. If some change here goes wrong and people stop subscribing, you might endanger the future of TESO development.

Elsonso · October 2018

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Ive said and said this again. ESO+ is literally just a crafting bag. No one gets it for any other reason.

edit*: It is funny because the crafting bag is not essential unless you hoard hard.

No, the crafting bag is not essential.

I subscribe for the DLC, the Crowns, bank space (which is more critical than the bag), and the XP & inspiration boosts.

BringerOfOmens · October 2018

I would cancel my eso+ sub if they did this as it is the primary reason for me to subscribe.