Why is BSW back?

Eyesinthedrk · May 2018

Last year bsw was the hands down BIS PVE set for all magic classes. Then It got a nerf to damage and up time. BSW was dropped like a red head step child and julianos was back on top until aquity took over.

Now BSW is apparently saught after again. Everyone is running to the golden to get it. But why? If scathing, necro, julianos, and netch was all better than BSW 2 months ago, what changed?

flguy147ub17_ESO · May 2018

People may want it for PVP. MagDK lacks burst damage and when it procs plus with major prophecy its huge damage boost especially lets say if its procced when VS drops which percentage wise it normally will be.

Marabornwingrion · May 2018

Off balance got nerfed, everyone now is running double inferno

Joy_Division · May 2018

It never went away for those people who didn't just copy youtube builds that used mechanical acuity.

SammyFable · May 2018

In PvE, I think it's more of a Nightblade thing. NBs will usually run either acuity + master architect (mama build) or acuity + bsw. Until Summerset drops, you can't combine Julianos (which is arguably still better than bsw in most cases, bsw uptime should be at max to be only slightly better in sustained fights) and Acuity, so people need an alternative 5 pice set.

Grabmoore · May 2018

I'd like to add that MagDK is back as PvE DD next patch. Get your rings now or regret it while finishing the jewelery craft grind.

Tyrobag · May 2018

It never went anywhere for mDK

Beardimus · May 2018

Because a streamer probably said meta

Elf Bane been suddenly selling like hot cakes similar gig.

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

No clue. Julianos gives you the same DPS without having to maintain uptime on an effect. I guess people ran it since you couldn't get Julianos jewellery until now.

Royaji · May 2018

Magicka will be able to use 5/5/2 setups now. But there is no 5/5/2 setup that is better than having maelstrom backbar. So people are looking for a set that is effective as a 5 piece but can be used as frontbar only set. That cuts all raw stat sets like Julianos out and promotes sets with procs like BSW and Scathing. BSW just happens to be the best of those sets.

FrancisCrawford · May 2018

I have no arena or trial gear, and the best idea I could come up with for my Dunmer magblade was

5/4 BSW
4/5 Acuity
2 Valkyn Skoria

Pre-Summerset, it's been ideal to have 2 proc sets, if you could find ones good enough. With Summerset I imagine the ideal number will be 0 or 1.

Shadowmaster · May 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

It never went away for those people who didn't just copy youtube builds that used mechanical acuity.

Acuity really only shines in full trial setups with lots of Major Slayer + Warhorns.

Lexxypwns · May 2018

The demise of BSW was always overblown.

It’s always been within 2-3% of BiS for pve and it’s always been one of the top high end damage sets for pvp.

The “problem” with BSW is that you can get similar DPS on sets that have 100% uptime and you can get slightly more burst out of Acuity if you’re going to manage procs

Shadowmaster · May 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Because a streamer probably said meta

Elf Bane been suddenly selling like hot cakes similar gig.

Elf bane buffs Zaan duration for PVP making it tick for even more damage

Lexxypwns · May 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Because a streamer probably said meta

Elf Bane been suddenly selling like hot cakes similar gig.

Elf bane buffs Zaan duration for PVP making it tick for even more damage

This only relevant because zaan can’t be broken by LoS, if it could then Elf bane would have next to no value except for duels.

Basically the people using it are cheesing the LoS bug, otherwise you won’t keep zaan on for the fully buffed duration

brandonv516 · May 2018

Destro/Resto DKs are getting some love with 2H bonus changes...5 sun, 5 bsw, 2 skoria/zaan.

Kikke · May 2018

PvE: People are looking for BSW because it can be front bared nicely combined with the new trial set for max stack of spell power. DKs want too use BSW front bar becaus they want elfbane on body.

PvP: Magica can now use staff for 2 sets; so this makes BSW even better on a mDK.

Also note that mDK gets a slight sustain buff next patch and it pulls high numbers on dummy pharses on current PTS patch.
So all the fotm rerollers are prepping their DKs for summerset xP

Waffennacht · May 2018

Plus gold is awesome

N00BxV1 · May 2018

I’ve been using BSW on my MagDK for a year and never took it off. Still use it in PVE and PVP setups. But I haven’t been following the MA-meta either. Can’t wait for summerset because I’ll be using 5x Sun, 5x BSW and 2x Valkyn/Grothdarr. Don’t think I’ll be changing my mind for MA either...

Ragnarock41 · May 2018

I got it totally for PvP reasons.

Chicharron · May 2018

What would happen if Alcast said that cutting a finger your DPS would increase 25%?

Vaoh · May 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

It never went away for those people who didn't just copy youtube builds that used mechanical acuity.

You understand that BSW is a highly used set, right? It can also be used with Mechanical Acuity. If a Mag NB DPS isn’t running a Major Slayer set they go Mechanical Acuity+Burning Spellweave for BiS. There is nothing off-meta or unique about using BSW just because Acuity has been introduced. Also BSW has always been amazing for Mag DK in all content.

As for your youtube argument....... Both Mag NB and Mag DK builds with BSW are still being ***highly posted on YouTube**** Please go on YouTube and you’ll see lots of Dragon Bones Mag NBs/DKs with BSW. It has never fallen off, it’s just not BiS for every setup 100% of the time like it once was

Please don’t randomly trash “youtube builds” because of the simple fact that they have been posted online. It makes no sense.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · May 2018

Chicharron wrote: »

What would happen if Alcast said that cutting a finger your DPS would increase 25%?

Struggling to type with my now 4 fingers

Lexxypwns · May 2018

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

What would happen if Alcast said that cutting a finger your DPS would increase 25%?

Struggling to type with my now 4 fingers

You got the wrong one...

DuskMarine · May 2018

Eyesinthedrk wrote: »

Last year bsw was the hands down BIS PVE set for all magic classes. Then It got a nerf to damage and up time. BSW was dropped like a red head step child and julianos was back on top until aquity took over.

Now BSW is apparently saught after again. Everyone is running to the golden to get it. But why? If scathing, necro, julianos, and netch was all better than BSW 2 months ago, what changed?

its bis for magdks and that class setup is gonna be insane

Aebaradath · May 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Plus gold is awesome

Savos_Saren · May 2018

Aside from what everyone else is saying:

BSW also increases your chance to cause the "burning" status effect. This will help mDKs with the upcoming change to Combustion. Combustion will now give you 500 magicka once ever 5 seconds if you proc the burning status effect.

The 5th piece bonus of BSW reads:

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 15% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and increase your Spell Damage by 525 for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 12 seconds.

Basically, when it procs- you now get 525 spell damage AND 500 magicka (if Combustion hasn't procced recently).

I may swap out my Silks of the Sun for Burning Spellweave... but I prefer a guaranteed 400 spell damage 100% of the time vs 525 spell damage 75% of the time.

Who knows. Either way- it may pair well with my 5pc Innate Axiom (since it increases the heals from Draw Essence AND Coagulated Blood).

Vaoh · May 2018

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Aside from what everyone else is saying:

BSW also increases your chance to cause the "burning" status effect. This will help mDKs with the upcoming change to Combustion. Combustion will now give you 500 magicka once ever 5 seconds if you proc the burning status effect.

The 5th piece bonus of BSW reads:

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 15% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and increase your Spell Damage by 525 for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 12 seconds.

Basically, when it procs- you now get 525 spell damage AND 500 magicka (if Combustion hasn't procced recently).

I may swap out my Silks of the Sun for Burning Spellweave... but I prefer a guaranteed 400 spell damage 100% of the time vs 525 spell damage 75% of the time.

Who knows. Either way- it may pair well with my 5pc Innate Axiom (since it increases the heals from Draw Essence AND Coagulated Blood).

Burning Spellweave doesn’t actually proc Burning. It procs its own unique Burning effect - the normal Burning status effect stacks with it.

Savos_Saren · May 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Aside from what everyone else is saying:

BSW also increases your chance to cause the "burning" status effect. This will help mDKs with the upcoming change to Combustion. Combustion will now give you 500 magicka once ever 5 seconds if you proc the burning status effect.

The 5th piece bonus of BSW reads:

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 15% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and increase your Spell Damage by 525 for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 12 seconds.

Basically, when it procs- you now get 525 spell damage AND 500 magicka (if Combustion hasn't procced recently).

I may swap out my Silks of the Sun for Burning Spellweave... but I prefer a guaranteed 400 spell damage 100% of the time vs 525 spell damage 75% of the time.

Who knows. Either way- it may pair well with my 5pc Innate Axiom (since it increases the heals from Draw Essence AND Coagulated Blood).

Burning Spellweave doesn’t actually proc Burning. It procs its own unique Burning effect - the normal Burning status effect stacks with it.

Wow. That's news to me! Thanks for enlightening me. I wonder if its "burning" effect will proc Combustion, then?

Lexxypwns · May 2018

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Aside from what everyone else is saying:

BSW also increases your chance to cause the "burning" status effect. This will help mDKs with the upcoming change to Combustion. Combustion will now give you 500 magicka once ever 5 seconds if you proc the burning status effect.

The 5th piece bonus of BSW reads:

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 15% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and increase your Spell Damage by 525 for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 12 seconds.

Basically, when it procs- you now get 525 spell damage AND 500 magicka (if Combustion hasn't procced recently).

I may swap out my Silks of the Sun for Burning Spellweave... but I prefer a guaranteed 400 spell damage 100% of the time vs 525 spell damage 75% of the time.

Who knows. Either way- it may pair well with my 5pc Innate Axiom (since it increases the heals from Draw Essence AND Coagulated Blood).

Burning Spellweave doesn’t actually proc Burning. It procs its own unique Burning effect - the normal Burning status effect stacks with it.

Wow. That's news to me! Thanks for enlightening me. I wonder if its "burning" effect will proc Combustion, then?

Different effects. That’s why BSW adds ~1k DPS that it’s tooltips don’t suggest