Stamblades on pts

WickidMexican · May 2018

So much for keeping it about stamblades. @Daus idk man people always find something to cry about.

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

WickidMexican wrote: »

So much for keeping it about stamblades. @Daus idk man people always find something to cry about.

True, I haven't seen a nerf Mass Hysteria thread in a while. I think Incap has been complained about since it was changed to disease damage back in the day. I think people won't be satisfied until stamblades start using DBoS as their Ult due to Incap being useless.

ku5h · May 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

wait wait wait. when did nbs got popular? last time i was here, it was before morrowind and everyone said nb suck. dk and sorc are the kings.

sorc seems like still is a king but when did nb become popular like sorcs?

you are correct in everything you said, allow me to explain what happened ...

during the last 45 days was a release of built up anger from many sorcerer and dragonights that have not seen any nerfs to the nightblade class that they were expecting.
many of them believe that their classes was not and never was overpowered, and that the nerfs their classes received were not for balance, but rather instead their nerfs only happened because people complained on the forums.

so to counter, they launched a thread campaign of "nerf nightblade" "threads of revenge" that many new comers and those that still hold / held anger about the nerfs that happened years ago were able to join in and spam their dislike and discontent that nightblades have not had any nerfs and try to make "balance" out of revenge threads.

Due to that happening, they use that as a platform and a "basis" to give the illusion that nightblades are somehow overpowered and overperforming, even though it is simply false.

Aha, so it's illusion that both stam and magicka NB pull atlest 10k+ more dps then sorc on live and it's also illusion that NB in both forms way outperform sorc in PvP, just the illusion....lol.

Brutusmax1mus · May 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

@Priyasekarssk
Um, not sure why that rant was directed at me, but okay. Magic DK is getting buffed in PVE DPS (which is NOT what we are talking about) for three main reasons.

First, all magic is getting a LA buff because LA now scale more proportionally off max stats. Since magic uses have bigger stat pools than stamina users, they feel it more. Considering how far magic is behind stamina currently for raw damage, this does seem reasonable.

Second, they addresssed a mDKs biggest probelm, which was sustain, by changing their passives. (combustion passive below)

Third, thanks to jewelry crafting, there are more gear options that favor magic DK.

No idea what you are talking about with the whip buff. These are the only direct DK changes so far for summerset. There were no specific changes in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

4.0.0 patch notes
"Dragonknight
Ardent Flame
Cauterize (Inferno morph): Increased the range of the heal from this morph to 28 meters from 15 meters.
Combustion: This passive ability now also restores 250/500 Magicka or Stamina to you when you apply the Burning or Poisoned status effects to an enemy. These effects can occur once every 5 seconds.
Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This morph now grants you 2 stacks of the Empower buff, up from 1.
Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph): Decreased the cost of this morph to 225 Ultimate from 250 Ultimate."

Lastly this was a post about whether stamblades will still be viable. And the answer is 100% yes. Why you feel need to direct your misdirected ZOS rage is beyond me, especially when it doesnt seem to be based in any objective reality.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Concern is not about any buffs to magicka DK except the indirect buffs for flame lash. It will make magicka DK pretty much overpowered in PVP , just by spamming that 1 skill alone. Rest is irrelevant for argument and not even a major concern in class balance. Zos dont even notice that they indirectly boosted the damage from flameflash to the level that all magicka DK requires is only one skill flamelash.

To a kill , all other magicka classes has to do is spam flame lash. Just 1 key repeatedly. If anyone other than 2H is near impossible to counter this. You have to basically kill the DKs within 10 seconds with immovable pots or die.

@Priyasekarssk

What indirect buffs?

All light attacks gets huge damage boost which includes flame lash. Strife was nerfed for this reason.

@Priyasekarssk

You have completely lost me LAs were buffed, but that doesnt change the tooltip on flamelash. Flamelash is not a light attack, that simply doesnt make any sense. Strife was only nerfed from a cost perspective to keep it more in line with Forcepulse. That is completely irrelevant to this discussion, and likely a moot issue as most mageblades are going to run Elemental Weapon for a spammable.

I think you are magicka DK. Just spam flamelash post summerset and enjoy whipping until its get nerfed from next patch when many people going to whine OP in PVP forums. We are wasting time here.

reprosal wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

so far the classes look balanced and not seeing anything overpowered. it would be better if we had more people in the pvp areas to get and give greater insight.

Except a lot of people care about PvE balance too.... which is why a lot of disagreement comes up about blanket statements of “x” class is OP!!! ex: Stam warden and stamplar is strong in PvP. Where are they in PvE? Nowhere.

Its not magicka DK is OP. Dont derail . Flame lash is OP. Just by spamming 1 skill can do everything. CC , snares, spammable, cheap, heals & deal damage/ proc status effects. Flame lash buff is unnecessary for an already overused skill . Again its not fully DK issue, if other classes have access to cc immunity like forward momentum, it wont be a major issue.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

LittlePinkDot · May 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

@Priyasekarssk
Um, not sure why that rant was directed at me, but okay. Magic DK is getting buffed in PVE DPS (which is NOT what we are talking about) for three main reasons.

First, all magic is getting a LA buff because LA now scale more proportionally off max stats. Since magic uses have bigger stat pools than stamina users, they feel it more. Considering how far magic is behind stamina currently for raw damage, this does seem reasonable.

Second, they addresssed a mDKs biggest probelm, which was sustain, by changing their passives. (combustion passive below)

Third, thanks to jewelry crafting, there are more gear options that favor magic DK.

No idea what you are talking about with the whip buff. These are the only direct DK changes so far for summerset. There were no specific changes in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

4.0.0 patch notes
"Dragonknight
Ardent Flame
Cauterize (Inferno morph): Increased the range of the heal from this morph to 28 meters from 15 meters.
Combustion: This passive ability now also restores 250/500 Magicka or Stamina to you when you apply the Burning or Poisoned status effects to an enemy. These effects can occur once every 5 seconds.
Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This morph now grants you 2 stacks of the Empower buff, up from 1.
Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph): Decreased the cost of this morph to 225 Ultimate from 250 Ultimate."

Lastly this was a post about whether stamblades will still be viable. And the answer is 100% yes. Why you feel need to direct your misdirected ZOS rage is beyond me, especially when it doesnt seem to be based in any objective reality.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Concern is not about any buffs to magicka DK except the indirect buffs for flame lash. It will make magicka DK pretty much overpowered in PVP , just by spamming that 1 skill alone. Rest is irrelevant for argument and not even a major concern in class balance. Zos dont even notice that they indirectly boosted the damage from flameflash to the level that all magicka DK requires is only one skill flamelash.

To a kill , all other magicka classes has to do is spam flame lash. Just 1 key repeatedly. If anyone other than 2H is near impossible to counter this. You have to basically kill the DKs within 10 seconds with immovable pots or die.

Cant I just use shuffle, roll dodge and cloak + defile and bleeds to counter? And then theres my incap

BuddyAces · May 2018

Y'all understand that probably about the very last pts update they are going to nerf the *** out of everyone right? It's beyond pointless to even bother to worry about how any class is doing. The nerfs are coming.

ak_pvp · May 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

@Priyasekarssk
Um, not sure why that rant was directed at me, but okay. Magic DK is getting buffed in PVE DPS (which is NOT what we are talking about) for three main reasons.

First, all magic is getting a LA buff because LA now scale more proportionally off max stats. Since magic uses have bigger stat pools than stamina users, they feel it more. Considering how far magic is behind stamina currently for raw damage, this does seem reasonable.

Second, they addresssed a mDKs biggest probelm, which was sustain, by changing their passives. (combustion passive below)

Third, thanks to jewelry crafting, there are more gear options that favor magic DK.

No idea what you are talking about with the whip buff. These are the only direct DK changes so far for summerset. There were no specific changes in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

4.0.0 patch notes
"Dragonknight
Ardent Flame
Cauterize (Inferno morph): Increased the range of the heal from this morph to 28 meters from 15 meters.
Combustion: This passive ability now also restores 250/500 Magicka or Stamina to you when you apply the Burning or Poisoned status effects to an enemy. These effects can occur once every 5 seconds.
Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This morph now grants you 2 stacks of the Empower buff, up from 1.
Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph): Decreased the cost of this morph to 225 Ultimate from 250 Ultimate."

Lastly this was a post about whether stamblades will still be viable. And the answer is 100% yes. Why you feel need to direct your misdirected ZOS rage is beyond me, especially when it doesnt seem to be based in any objective reality.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Concern is not about any buffs to magicka DK except the indirect buffs for flame lash. It will make magicka DK pretty much overpowered in PVP , just by spamming that 1 skill alone. Rest is irrelevant for argument and not even a major concern in class balance. Zos dont even notice that they indirectly boosted the damage from flameflash to the level that all magicka DK requires is only one skill flamelash.

To a kill , all other magicka classes has to do is spam flame lash. Just 1 key repeatedly. If anyone other than 2H is near impossible to counter this. You have to basically kill the DKs within 10 seconds with immovable pots or die.

@Priyasekarssk

What indirect buffs?

All light attacks gets huge damage boost which includes flame lash. Strife was nerfed for this reason.

Ahaha.

olsborg · May 2018

The only nerf to incap that will still make it a contender to dawnbr is changing the defile from major to minor. Anything other then that and bye bye incap hello DB. Then all stamclasses will use DB apart from some stamdks that use leap - the very few ppl still playing their stamdk.

What shall we whine about then? When we all use the same ulti, our class difference? Yes lets all play the same generic class and build so whining will become selfdestructive.

Zordrage · May 2018

BuddyAces wrote: »

Y'all understand that probably about the very last pts update they are going to nerf the *** out of everyone right? It's beyond pointless to even bother to worry about how any class is doing. The nerfs are coming.

the last few times i saw something like this happen NB barely ever gets touched while everyone gets nerfs left and right....

Feels like devs decided that NB should be the Alpha and Omega of both PvP and PvE at this point...

NBs are broken DESIGN wise not just because of 1-2 abilities... until some serious redesigns in the NB class not happens they allways will be ONE of the Top characters in every content...

Juhasow · May 2018

Stamblade on PTS is still the best PvE single target DPS. Especially after last monday PTS update.

BuddyAces · May 2018

Zordrage wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Y'all understand that probably about the very last pts update they are going to nerf the *** out of everyone right? It's beyond pointless to even bother to worry about how any class is doing. The nerfs are coming.

the last few times i saw something like this happen NB barely ever gets touched while everyone gets nerfs left and right....

Feels like devs decided that NB should be the Alpha and Omega of both PvP and PvE at this point...

NBs are broken DESIGN wise not just because of 1-2 abilities... until some serious redesigns in the NB class not happens they allways will be ONE of the Top characters in every content...

I don't play nightblade. I have a magblade (my only mag class) and I'm "OK" on a good day at best with it. In MY opinion, they are actually a really well balanced class (I know you pvp folks cry about the whole disappearing at will yadda yadda) and other classes should be brought up to what they are; not nerfing NBs because they are good.