Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

@Priyasekarssk
Um, not sure why that rant was directed at me, but okay. Magic DK is getting buffed in PVE DPS (which is NOT what we are talking about) for three main reasons.

First, all magic is getting a LA buff because LA now scale more proportionally off max stats. Since magic uses have bigger stat pools than stamina users, they feel it more. Considering how far magic is behind stamina currently for raw damage, this does seem reasonable.

Second, they addresssed a mDKs biggest probelm, which was sustain, by changing their passives. (combustion passive below)

Third, thanks to jewelry crafting, there are more gear options that favor magic DK.

No idea what you are talking about with the whip buff. These are the only direct DK changes so far for summerset. There were no specific changes in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

4.0.0 patch notes
"Dragonknight
Ardent Flame
Cauterize (Inferno morph): Increased the range of the heal from this morph to 28 meters from 15 meters.
Combustion: This passive ability now also restores 250/500 Magicka or Stamina to you when you apply the Burning or Poisoned status effects to an enemy. These effects can occur once every 5 seconds.
Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This morph now grants you 2 stacks of the Empower buff, up from 1.
Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph): Decreased the cost of this morph to 225 Ultimate from 250 Ultimate."

Lastly this was a post about whether stamblades will still be viable. And the answer is 100% yes. Why you feel need to direct your misdirected ZOS rage is beyond me, especially when it doesnt seem to be based in any objective reality.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

@Priyasekarssk
Um, not sure why that rant was directed at me, but okay. Magic DK is getting buffed in PVE DPS (which is NOT what we are talking about) for three main reasons.

First, all magic is getting a LA buff because LA now scale more proportionally off max stats. Since magic uses have bigger stat pools than stamina users, they feel it more. Considering how far magic is behind stamina currently for raw damage, this does seem reasonable.

Second, they addresssed a mDKs biggest probelm, which was sustain, by changing their passives. (combustion passive below)

Third, thanks to jewelry crafting, there are more gear options that favor magic DK.

No idea what you are talking about with the whip buff. These are the only direct DK changes so far for summerset. There were no specific changes in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

4.0.0 patch notes
"Dragonknight
Ardent Flame
Cauterize (Inferno morph): Increased the range of the heal from this morph to 28 meters from 15 meters.
Combustion: This passive ability now also restores 250/500 Magicka or Stamina to you when you apply the Burning or Poisoned status effects to an enemy. These effects can occur once every 5 seconds.
Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This morph now grants you 2 stacks of the Empower buff, up from 1.
Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph): Decreased the cost of this morph to 225 Ultimate from 250 Ultimate."

Lastly this was a post about whether stamblades will still be viable. And the answer is 100% yes. Why you feel need to direct your misdirected ZOS rage is beyond me, especially when it doesnt seem to be based in any objective reality.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Concern is not about any buffs to magicka DK except the indirect buffs for flame lash. It will make magicka DK pretty much overpowered in PVP , just by spamming that 1 skill alone. Rest is irrelevant for argument and not even a major concern in class balance. Zos dont even notice that they indirectly boosted the damage from flameflash to the level that all magicka DK requires is only one skill flamelash.

To a kill , all other magicka classes has to do is spam flame lash. Just 1 key repeatedly. If anyone other than 2H is near impossible to counter this. You have to basically kill the DKs within 10 seconds with immovable pots or die.

@Priyasekarssk

What indirect buffs?

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

@Priyasekarssk
Um, not sure why that rant was directed at me, but okay. Magic DK is getting buffed in PVE DPS (which is NOT what we are talking about) for three main reasons.

First, all magic is getting a LA buff because LA now scale more proportionally off max stats. Since magic uses have bigger stat pools than stamina users, they feel it more. Considering how far magic is behind stamina currently for raw damage, this does seem reasonable.

Second, they addresssed a mDKs biggest probelm, which was sustain, by changing their passives. (combustion passive below)

Third, thanks to jewelry crafting, there are more gear options that favor magic DK.

No idea what you are talking about with the whip buff. These are the only direct DK changes so far for summerset. There were no specific changes in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

4.0.0 patch notes
"Dragonknight
Ardent Flame
Cauterize (Inferno morph): Increased the range of the heal from this morph to 28 meters from 15 meters.
Combustion: This passive ability now also restores 250/500 Magicka or Stamina to you when you apply the Burning or Poisoned status effects to an enemy. These effects can occur once every 5 seconds.
Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This morph now grants you 2 stacks of the Empower buff, up from 1.
Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph): Decreased the cost of this morph to 225 Ultimate from 250 Ultimate."

Lastly this was a post about whether stamblades will still be viable. And the answer is 100% yes. Why you feel need to direct your misdirected ZOS rage is beyond me, especially when it doesnt seem to be based in any objective reality.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Concern is not about any buffs to magicka DK except the indirect buffs for flame lash. It will make magicka DK pretty much overpowered in PVP , just by spamming that 1 skill alone. Rest is irrelevant for argument and not even a major concern in class balance. Zos dont even notice that they indirectly boosted the damage from flameflash to the level that all magicka DK requires is only one skill flamelash.

To a kill , all other magicka classes has to do is spam flame lash. Just 1 key repeatedly. If anyone other than 2H is near impossible to counter this. You have to basically kill the DKs within 10 seconds with immovable pots or die.

@Priyasekarssk

What indirect buffs?

All light attacks gets huge damage boost which includes flame lash. Strife was nerfed for this reason.

@Priyasekarssk

You have completely lost me LAs were buffed, but that doesnt change the tooltip on flamelash. Flamelash is not a light attack, that simply doesnt make any sense. Strife was only nerfed from a cost perspective to keep it more in line with Forcepulse. That is completely irrelevant to this discussion, and likely a moot issue as most mageblades are going to run Elemental Weapon for a spammable.

GulmarAvocado wrote: »

reprosal wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

so far the classes look balanced and not seeing anything overpowered. it would be better if we had more people in the pvp areas to get and give greater insight.

Except a lot of people care about PvE balance too.... which is why a lot of disagreement comes up about blanket statements of “x” class is OP!!! ex: Stam warden and stamplar is strong in PvP. Where are they in PvE? Nowhere.

PvP is usually balanced kind of... like you can Play any class and kind of make it work out. For PvE tho the class variability is never been big except thuan latch I’m the stam line. When you say stamplar and stamden are nowhere to be seen is not true. Actually stamplar has been BIS ever since morrowind for POTL minor fracture you need in bosses. Almost every group como has a stamplar in group and well stamdens I’d agree they are not very good but you could find them in vSO being very useful for big trash pulls

PvP is usually not balanced. Usually there will be a meta build after every release. You have to find out and use it , until its fixed in next patch.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

@Priyasekarssk
Um, not sure why that rant was directed at me, but okay. Magic DK is getting buffed in PVE DPS (which is NOT what we are talking about) for three main reasons.

First, all magic is getting a LA buff because LA now scale more proportionally off max stats. Since magic uses have bigger stat pools than stamina users, they feel it more. Considering how far magic is behind stamina currently for raw damage, this does seem reasonable.

Second, they addresssed a mDKs biggest probelm, which was sustain, by changing their passives. (combustion passive below)

Third, thanks to jewelry crafting, there are more gear options that favor magic DK.

No idea what you are talking about with the whip buff. These are the only direct DK changes so far for summerset. There were no specific changes in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

4.0.0 patch notes
"Dragonknight
Ardent Flame
Cauterize (Inferno morph): Increased the range of the heal from this morph to 28 meters from 15 meters.
Combustion: This passive ability now also restores 250/500 Magicka or Stamina to you when you apply the Burning or Poisoned status effects to an enemy. These effects can occur once every 5 seconds.
Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This morph now grants you 2 stacks of the Empower buff, up from 1.
Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph): Decreased the cost of this morph to 225 Ultimate from 250 Ultimate."

Lastly this was a post about whether stamblades will still be viable. And the answer is 100% yes. Why you feel need to direct your misdirected ZOS rage is beyond me, especially when it doesnt seem to be based in any objective reality.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Concern is not about any buffs to magicka DK except the indirect buffs for flame lash. It will make magicka DK pretty much overpowered in PVP , just by spamming that 1 skill alone. Rest is irrelevant for argument and not even a major concern in class balance. Zos dont even notice that they indirectly boosted the damage from flameflash to the level that all magicka DK requires is only one skill flamelash.

To a kill , all other magicka classes has to do is spam flame lash. Just 1 key repeatedly. If anyone other than 2H is near impossible to counter this. You have to basically kill the DKs within 10 seconds with immovable pots or die.

@Priyasekarssk

What indirect buffs?

All light attacks gets huge damage boost which includes flame lash. Strife was nerfed for this reason.

@Priyasekarssk

You have completely lost me LAs were buffed, but that doesnt change the tooltip on flamelash. Flamelash is not a light attack, that simply doesnt make any sense. Strife was only nerfed from a cost perspective to keep it more in line with Forcepulse. That is completely irrelevant to this discussion, and likely a moot issue as most mageblades are going to run Elemental Weapon for a spammable.

I think you are magicka DK. Just spam flamelash post summerset and enjoy whipping until its get nerfed from next patch when many people going to whine OP in PVP forums. We are wasting time here.

reprosal wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

so far the classes look balanced and not seeing anything overpowered. it would be better if we had more people in the pvp areas to get and give greater insight.

Except a lot of people care about PvE balance too.... which is why a lot of disagreement comes up about blanket statements of “x” class is OP!!! ex: Stam warden and stamplar is strong in PvP. Where are they in PvE? Nowhere.

Its not magicka DK is OP. Dont derail . Flame lash is OP. Just by spamming 1 skill can do everything. CC , snares, spammable, cheap, heals & deal damage/ proc status effects. Flame lash buff is unnecessary for an already overused skill . Again its not fully DK issue, if other classes have access to cc immunity like forward momentum, it wont be a major issue.

@Priyasekarssk

WHAT BUFF!?!?! You are inventing things that do not exist. Flame lash can not a do all the things you said it does by itself. It does not snare ever (correction, passives do give a snare), but it will CC (stun). It requires other skills used in combination with it to have these effects. Simply spamming flame lash by itself will never proc the stun or the heal. You need to do something to set them off balance. which flame lash does not do on its own. If you get beat by a person spamming one button, you simply arent very good at this game.

You think I am a magic DK? I certainly have one, but I also have one of every class/spec in the game if you read my sig. Other than a stam warden, I have taken them all through VMA, I have taken all to at least caltrops/vigor/warhorn in PVP, and have taken them all through at least one vet trail. If you are trying to say I am biased, well I disagree. In fact, I think I have better objectivity than most because in fact play all the class/specs in the game. No secret I will play a class that is best suited to the task at hand, but I have no dog in this fight. I adapt each patch and move on. If mDKs are the best melee DPS next patch, I will play one. If they arent, then I wont.

You still have me completely baffled that you think the light attack buff make flame lash more powerful. By that logic it makes all skills more powerful, so its not a mDK buff specifically. And yes, we are wasting our time because I am arguing with logic and reason and you are making random statements with no basis in reality. Good luck out there.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk Puncturing sweeps an overused/abused skill? MASSIVE LOL.

Of course punturing sweep is overused skill by templars . You are really funny and tag my name for useless comment. Look at sorcerer and NB buffs. The skills buffed are completely unused or downright waste. Except noobs no one is going to slot those skills.
Same words
"MASSIVE LOL "

Yeah. Poor NBs and Sorcs. If only they could be as good as Templar in DPS and escape and burst.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk Puncturing sweeps an overused/abused skill? MASSIVE LOL.

Of course punturing sweep is overused skill by templars . You are really funny and tag my name for useless comment. Look at sorcerer and NB buffs. The skills buffed are completely unused or downright waste. Except noobs no one is going to slot those skills.
Same words
"MASSIVE LOL "

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Viable for PVE DPS? Absolutely. Will they still be top of DPS mountain, I dont think so. Early favorites for magic are mageblade (duh) and mDK, and for stamina, I think it's still stamblade and sorc also got a big boost. I think sorc is doing well because they typically have the highest stam pools, so they are benefiting most from the LA change.

Reports are that for melee, magic DK is beating basically all the stam classes, but I havent seen or done any testing since the 20% LA nerf on monday. I certainly wouldnt delete your stamblade.

Its already been told in PTS that flamelash skill became extremely overpowered. ZOs wont listen nor care. Now instead of cloaking everyone is going to whipping around in PVP. Templars too getting a buff for puncturing sweep an already overused/abused skill. Magicka builds barely stand a chance against magicka DK. Sorcerer, warden and NB had only useless buffs.

God only knows whats the reasoning behind flamelash & puncturing sweeps buffs. I think streamers are going to switch to magicka Dks & templars. Or ZOs wants to increase magicka DK population ?

Magicka DKs are going to be top dogs followed by Templars post summerset.

I hugely anticipated skill like forward momentum in psijic order for magicka builds. Nope . Nothing.
For magicka DKs, only 1 skill is required for everything. whip whip whip until target dies. Especially against magicka builds easy cheese. Whip CC , snares , heal you and deal huge damage with status effects. So basically it does everything. Skill required is how fast you can punch 1 key.

If NB strife is nerfed as non spammable skill , why flamelash is buffed which is already overpowered/abused skill ?
StamNb will be still powerful class with all CCs and defiles. PVE there will be no difference.

@Priyasekarssk
Um, not sure why that rant was directed at me, but okay. Magic DK is getting buffed in PVE DPS (which is NOT what we are talking about) for three main reasons.

First, all magic is getting a LA buff because LA now scale more proportionally off max stats. Since magic uses have bigger stat pools than stamina users, they feel it more. Considering how far magic is behind stamina currently for raw damage, this does seem reasonable.

Second, they addresssed a mDKs biggest probelm, which was sustain, by changing their passives. (combustion passive below)

Third, thanks to jewelry crafting, there are more gear options that favor magic DK.

No idea what you are talking about with the whip buff. These are the only direct DK changes so far for summerset. There were no specific changes in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

4.0.0 patch notes
"Dragonknight
Ardent Flame
Cauterize (Inferno morph): Increased the range of the heal from this morph to 28 meters from 15 meters.
Combustion: This passive ability now also restores 250/500 Magicka or Stamina to you when you apply the Burning or Poisoned status effects to an enemy. These effects can occur once every 5 seconds.
Empowering Chains (Fiery Grip morph): This morph now grants you 2 stacks of the Empower buff, up from 1.
Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph): Decreased the cost of this morph to 225 Ultimate from 250 Ultimate."

Lastly this was a post about whether stamblades will still be viable. And the answer is 100% yes. Why you feel need to direct your misdirected ZOS rage is beyond me, especially when it doesnt seem to be based in any objective reality.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Concern is not about any buffs to magicka DK except the indirect buffs for flame lash. It will make magicka DK pretty much overpowered in PVP , just by spamming that 1 skill alone. Rest is irrelevant for argument and not even a major concern in class balance. Zos dont even notice that they indirectly boosted the damage from flameflash to the level that all magicka DK requires is only one skill flamelash.

To a kill , all other magicka classes has to do is spam flame lash. Just 1 key repeatedly. If anyone other than 2H is near impossible to counter this. You have to basically kill the DKs within 10 seconds with immovable pots or die.

@Priyasekarssk

What indirect buffs?

All light attacks gets huge damage boost which includes flame lash. Strife was nerfed for this reason.

@Priyasekarssk

You have completely lost me LAs were buffed, but that doesnt change the tooltip on flamelash. Flamelash is not a light attack, that simply doesnt make any sense. Strife was only nerfed from a cost perspective to keep it more in line with Forcepulse. That is completely irrelevant to this discussion, and likely a moot issue as most mageblades are going to run Elemental Weapon for a spammable.

I think you are magicka DK. Just spam flamelash post summerset and enjoy whipping until its get nerfed from next patch when many people going to whine OP in PVP forums. We are wasting time here.

reprosal wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

so far the classes look balanced and not seeing anything overpowered. it would be better if we had more people in the pvp areas to get and give greater insight.

Except a lot of people care about PvE balance too.... which is why a lot of disagreement comes up about blanket statements of “x” class is OP!!! ex: Stam warden and stamplar is strong in PvP. Where are they in PvE? Nowhere.

Its not magicka DK is OP. Dont derail . Flame lash is OP. Just by spamming 1 skill can do everything. CC , snares, spammable, cheap, heals & deal damage/ proc status effects. Flame lash buff is unnecessary for an already overused skill . Again its not fully DK issue, if other classes have access to cc immunity like forward momentum, it wont be a major issue.

@Priyasekarssk

WHAT BUFF!?!?! You are inventing things that do not exist. Flame lash can not a do all the things you said it does by itself. It does not snare ever, but it will CC (stun). It requires other skills used in combination with it to have these effects. Simply spamming flame lash by itself will never proc the stun or the heal. You need to do something to set them off balance. which flame lash does not do on its own. If you get beat by a person spamming one button, you simply arent very good at this game.

You think I am a magic DK? I certainly have one, but I also have one of every class/spec in the game if you read my sig. Other than a stam warden, I have taken them all through VMA, I have taken all to at least caltrops/vigor/warhorn in PVP, and have taken them all through at least one vet trail. If you are trying to say I am biased, well I disagree. In fact, I think I have better objectivity than most because in fact play all the class/specs in the game. No secret I will play a class that is best suited to the task at hand, but I have no dog in this fight. I adapt each patch and move on. If mDKs are the best melee DPS next patch, I will play one. If they arent, then I wont.

You still have me completely baffled that you think the light attack buff make flame lash more powerful. By that logic it makes all skills more powerful, so its not a mDK buff specifically. And yes, we are wasting our time because I am arguing with logic and reason and you are making random statements with no basis in reality. Good luck out there.

Are you noob or magicaka dk lover ? Flame lash snares lol . Its a ardent passive . It cc, heal, deals damage and proc burning status effect . You made my day. Please don't waste my time. Flame lash have you ever tested it before commenting .

@Priyasekarssk
You are right, it snares, forgot about the passive. Still doesnt Stun or heal or if the enemy isnt off balance. Flame lash alone does not do all that by itself, it takes other skills in combination with it. That's that point I was making. If you just spam flamelash on a target, it will never do a hard CC and will never heal you. Your point was that it only takes one skill, it takes more than that.

Also, I am still waiting for an explanation or some insight as to how Flame Lash was "indirectly" buffed. Maybe it has been, but I am just not seeing it in anything they have done on the PTS. PLEASE enlighten me. I will certainly concede that the whole class got a buff due to sustain passives, but that is about it. And frankly, DK needed something in that department. I suppose you could call that an indirect buff to flame lash, but the new passive is not going to make DKs unkillable by pressing one button.