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I've been subscribed for years and brought in new players. Shouldn't I see some veteran rewards?
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If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
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Stinkyremy✭✭✭✭✭What really grinds my gears is that I bought the game with a "promise" from the devs that there will be "no pay gates"
First real expansion comes and the scrap the sub model, letting the cancer run freely, slap on a pay gate and add microtransactions for good measure...
The answer from them was "here have a few crowns to spend on cosmetic trash, that will surely cover your hard earned money wasted on a subscription and buying a game under false advertising"
The cheek of it is that there is still a subscription and with the craft bag it is pay to win, if you are serious in this game, you have to have it..Edited by Stinkyremy on May 5, 2018 8:20AM12 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How can they verify that you brought on new players to the game? It's not like they have "Recruit a Friend" program like that other game, that gives you a free month of subscription if the friend also subs for a month, then free a pet or mount if they sub a second month. It also has level bonuses and you can recruit yourself with another account.3 -
Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This will only happen if they decide to lower the pay-checks of their management, ZoS withdrawing from the stock-exchange and bring back the paid sub to play. Otherwise its just a matter of filling their own pockets.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, nightblade dps - PC EU (Retired)
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Huyen Swiftpaw, necromancer dps - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, dragonknight (no defined role yet)
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Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What kind of veteran reward would be acceptable to you?
Would a mount or pet skin like they used to do in the first year of the game be ok? (I assume it would have to be unique, since subscribers can already buy whatever crown store ones they want with subscription crowns.)
Or does it need to be something more than that?PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"0 -
stewhead2ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.8 -
iiYuki✭✭✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »What really grinds my gears is that I bought the game with a "promise" from the devs that there will be "no pay gates"
First real expansion comes and the scrap the sub model, letting the cancer run freely, slap on a pay gate and add microtransactions for good measure...
The answer from them was "here have a few crowns to spend on cosmetic trash, that will surely cover your hard earned money wasted on a subscription and buying a game under false advertising"
The cheek of it is that there is still a subscription and with the craft bag it is pay to win, if you are serious in this game, you have to have it..
What pisses me off is when ESO released they said we would be able to explore all of Tamriel, 4 years later and all I have done is pay more and more and I still haven't explored all of Tamriel since 40% of the map is still greyed out, they removed the sub flooded the game with gambling, micro DLC and *** limited time store exclusives, all while we have the same 4 *** horses that we had day 1.
Every single new piece of content is passed through the store, this game could pass a F2P since its certainly pay to skip on a lot of the content available most notably in the crafting sector."Play how you want... unless its not how we intended you to play in which case we'll nerf it".
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OutLaw_Nynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It would be nice if continuous eso+ members got something, I dunno, quarterly? I wish we could get cool stuff like they had when it was subscription only. I don’t mean give us the senche tiger, just unique items that only eso+ members can get. I honestly only have ESO+ because of the crafting bag.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bringing friends into the game is its own reward. I hear enough people complaining about how they can't pull 4 people together for a group. You should be very proud of yourself. You've accomplished more than many others.1 -
DamenAJ✭✭✭✭Super entitled post.
I'm actually impressed that they give us free crown crates for having ESO+ for those events. I know it's probably got a bit of a selfish motive, making people want more, too, but nothing is MAKING us buy more. So, free stuff.
Honestly, while I love/need the craft bag, it did encourage me to be less of a hoarder without it. You can play the base game like most videogames, like skyrim, etc. Where you have a limited inventory. You have limited bank space. Kinda seems like maybe they should increase the bank space, since it's shared, but that's another story....1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.
So regular sales of 40-50% off are now 20% and it's not greed? Also when the Crown shop first started things were alot cheaper back then also not greed?0 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So you want a reward for buying stuff? The reward is the stuff you bought. With a sub you get 1500 crowns a month. Basically, you are buying 1500 crowns a month and getting all the other benefits of ESO plus as the reward. You want a reward on top of your reward for years of getting rewards?5 -
stewhead2ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.
So regular sales of 40-50% off are now 20% and it's not greed? Also when the Crown shop first started things were alot cheaper back then also not greed?
Correct. It is not "greed". It is business and marketing strategy. Companies are not "greedy" for wanting to maximize a profit, even though you may not like the practice or find it distasteful. You are under no obligation whatsoever to purchase crowns if you don't like the sale they are offering.2 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.
So regular sales of 40-50% off are now 20% and it's not greed? Also when the Crown shop first started things were alot cheaper back then also not greed?
Correct. It is not "greed". It is business and marketing strategy. Companies are not "greedy" for wanting to maximize a profit, even though you may not like the practice or find it distasteful. You are under no obligation whatsoever to purchase crowns if you don't like the sale they are offering.
Well good luck with that then, "Maxiimizing profit" lol, so glad I invested into the Lotro expansions instead of one house0 -
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✭✭Didn't they literally JUST have an event that gave non subs free access to all non chapter DLC + craft bag, and those with a sub up to like 6 crown crates?1 -
stewhead2ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.
So regular sales of 40-50% off are now 20% and it's not greed? Also when the Crown shop first started things were alot cheaper back then also not greed?
Correct. It is not "greed". It is business and marketing strategy. Companies are not "greedy" for wanting to maximize a profit, even though you may not like the practice or find it distasteful. You are under no obligation whatsoever to purchase crowns if you don't like the sale they are offering.
Well good luck with that then, "Maxiimizing profit" lol, so glad I invested into the Lotro expansions instead of one house
To each his own. Do what you enjoy, but don't whine because a company isn't conducting business the way you want.1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.
So regular sales of 40-50% off are now 20% and it's not greed? Also when the Crown shop first started things were alot cheaper back then also not greed?
Correct. It is not "greed". It is business and marketing strategy. Companies are not "greedy" for wanting to maximize a profit, even though you may not like the practice or find it distasteful. You are under no obligation whatsoever to purchase crowns if you don't like the sale they are offering.
Well good luck with that then, "Maxiimizing profit" lol, so glad I invested into the Lotro expansions instead of one house
To each his own. Do what you enjoy, but don't whine because a company isn't conducting business the way you want.
Well its good to have criticism towards it because if they don't learn from it then yeah, they'll end up like Swtor1 -
stewhead2ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.
So regular sales of 40-50% off are now 20% and it's not greed? Also when the Crown shop first started things were alot cheaper back then also not greed?
Correct. It is not "greed". It is business and marketing strategy. Companies are not "greedy" for wanting to maximize a profit, even though you may not like the practice or find it distasteful. You are under no obligation whatsoever to purchase crowns if you don't like the sale they are offering.
Well good luck with that then, "Maxiimizing profit" lol, so glad I invested into the Lotro expansions instead of one house
To each his own. Do what you enjoy, but don't whine because a company isn't conducting business the way you want.
Well its good to have criticism towards it because if they don't learn from it then yeah, they'll end up like Swtor
Which I still play and enjoy and is doing fine. I also still enjoy LOTRO but have withdrawn my subscription.1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.
So regular sales of 40-50% off are now 20% and it's not greed? Also when the Crown shop first started things were alot cheaper back then also not greed?
Correct. It is not "greed". It is business and marketing strategy. Companies are not "greedy" for wanting to maximize a profit, even though you may not like the practice or find it distasteful. You are under no obligation whatsoever to purchase crowns if you don't like the sale they are offering.
Well good luck with that then, "Maxiimizing profit" lol, so glad I invested into the Lotro expansions instead of one house
To each his own. Do what you enjoy, but don't whine because a company isn't conducting business the way you want.
Well its good to have criticism towards it because if they don't learn from it then yeah, they'll end up like Swtor
Which I still play and enjoy and is doing fine. I also still enjoy LOTRO but have withdrawn my subscription.
Swtor just lost 60% of its players with the latest server merge, I don't think its doing fine. But yeah Lotro still has a smaller community than almost any other game right now but atleast they listen to the player base more imo.0 -
Motherball✭✭✭✭Summerset is your veteran reward. You still have to pay for it, but zos is greedy, so enjoy.Edited by Motherball on May 5, 2018 5:30PM0 -
SirCritical✭✭✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »If ZOS is going to keep getting greedier and aggressive with the Crown Store why can't they throw veteran (and really ALL) subscribers a bone? I'm on the same page as those who hate gambling crates and in-game store exclusives. That said, ZOS needs to do something man. Not just to stop greedy practices but to start giving back to those of us who have been schilling out a subscription every month. It will soon be in the thousands per loyal player and ESO is doing the best it ever has. Time to start giving back to those who brought on the success. That's what I think anyway.
This is ridiculous. What "bone" do you want thrown to you? I've been a subber since launch. I enjoy the benefits provided for said subscription. ZOS offers a service to you for a fee. You decide if what is offered is worth the asking price. They are not "getting greedier" by offering a revenue stream for their company, nor are they required to "give back" to those of us who have been subbing. You are owed nothing but what you pay for.
So regular sales of 40-50% off are now 20% and it's not greed? Also when the Crown shop first started things were alot cheaper back then also not greed?
Correct. It is not "greed". It is business and marketing strategy. Companies are not "greedy" for wanting to maximize a profit, even though you may not like the practice or find it distasteful. You are under no obligation whatsoever to purchase crowns if you don't like the sale they are offering.
Lol
Business is greed0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The fact that the game is doing so well indicates that what ZOS are doing is providing a really decent game. Why do some of those who enjoy it always seem to expect some additional entitlement or other on top of that (while accusing the developers of greed)?Edited by Tandor on May 5, 2018 6:02PM1 -
Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭The fact that the game is doing so well indicates that what ZOS are doing is providing a really decent game. Why do some of those who enjoy it always seem to expect some additional entitlement or other on top of that (while accusing the developers of greed)?
I would argue a lot of players stay for the TES, if they tried this with a new IP I dunno if it would be be anywhere near as attractive.PS4 - Europe - Aldmeri Dominion0 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Stewart1874 wrote: »The fact that the game is doing so well indicates that what ZOS are doing is providing a really decent game. Why do some of those who enjoy it always seem to expect some additional entitlement or other on top of that (while accusing the developers of greed)?
I would argue a lot of players stay for the TES, if they tried this with a new IP I dunno if it would be be anywhere near as attractive.
It would, you highly underestimate the willingness of many players to pay to support games they enjoy. And since its standard in MMOs and not SP games, the players who will be the least tolerant of the MMO funding methods will in fact be the TES players who dont normally play MMOS.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Super entitled post.
I'm actually impressed that they give us free crown crates for having ESO+ for those events. I know it's probably got a bit of a selfish motive, making people want more, too, but nothing is MAKING us buy more. So, free stuff.
Honestly, while I love/need the craft bag, it did encourage me to be less of a hoarder without it. You can play the base game like most videogames, like skyrim, etc. Where you have a limited inventory. You have limited bank space. Kinda seems like maybe they should increase the bank space, since it's shared, but that's another story....
You're impressed that they give you RNG boxes that have a better chance of containing garbage than anything good?
Jesus Christ.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa0 -
JWKe✭✭✭✭Customer retention is not one of Zo$ policies. Zo$ has more of a short term strategy to bolster Robert Altman’s business portfolio to make his climb to another company easier.
“When rich people fight wars with one another, poor people are the ones to die.”
We here are all putting up with all this crap such as the recent trash 20% “sale” to bolster Zo$ CEO image.Edited by JWKe on May 5, 2018 7:15PM1 -
DamenAJ✭✭✭✭Super entitled post.
I'm actually impressed that they give us free crown crates for having ESO+ for those events. I know it's probably got a bit of a selfish motive, making people want more, too, but nothing is MAKING us buy more. So, free stuff.
Honestly, while I love/need the craft bag, it did encourage me to be less of a hoarder without it. You can play the base game like most videogames, like skyrim, etc. Where you have a limited inventory. You have limited bank space. Kinda seems like maybe they should increase the bank space, since it's shared, but that's another story....
You're impressed that they give you RNG boxes that have a better chance of containing garbage than anything good?
Jesus Christ.
Garbage you can trade for a currency to buy stuff you DO like, or save for a later date.
But yeah, I'm impressed they give us something interesting and free, that has a chance at some good stuff. And It's happened a few times since I've started subbing, with is less than 6 months.
I'm not sure why people expect more, more, more, without paying more, more, more. It's a business. There are costs. Yes, there are profits, that's the idea behind business.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but they don't have to give anything other than what you actually buy, when you buy it. You are buying a product or service, there may be incentives given for doing things that help the business, but they don't OWE you them, or anything else that you didn't actually buy.0 -
CelestialSlayer✭✭✭I've gone cold turkey for a while and I'm enjoying some other games. Still subbed for now, but I'm a bit burnt out and The crown store and especially the prices are starting to put me off.2