Does masters bow impact spell damage ? I figured itwas applied to the enemy and not yourself.

Vilestride wrote: »

You had me at QOTSA.

I saw them live a couple of times and will again this year. Josh is pure rock god.

Mavi wrote: »

First, nice video and awesome gameplay, props to you for not cutting your death scenes. Second, can you share a more complete detail of the build? What enchants and traits on armor and weapons, what kind of armor (medium, heavy?) and wich poisons do you use?

I am just an average player. I die in outnumbered situations and one on ones all the time. No point cutting out the death scenes imho.

I use tri-stat enchants on all armour (I think my head and shoulders are stamina only as I have been too lazy to change them). Armour traits on this build are 5 impen and 2 well fitted as I dodge roll a fair bit to recover when low health or when I anticipate damage.

I use a infused masters bow with a weapon damage enchant back bar and a nirnhoned greatsword front bar which has a shock enchant, but I usual run double dot poison for some extra pressure. In IC I swap to a prismatic enchant to pop mobs/vamps faster.

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Does masters bow impact spell damage ? I figured itwas applied to the enemy and not yourself.

I've heard mixed reports but I haven't tested it myself. Regardless, I sit on 4.5k with the weapon/spell dmg glyph procced and masters bow will still increased the damage of my crit charge, reverse slice and dawnbreaker on that target. I will test it on a dummy and check though.

Thraben wrote: »

Reminds me of the good old days when I was levelling mine with Pelinal's

Thanks for sharing!

This is the main driver for the build, nostalgia back to leveling.

The other concept is PvP burst. Poison injection > Curse > Mages Wrath > Crit Charge > Dawnbreaker > Reverse slice has a surprising amount of burst potential.

You can pressure at range with poison injection and curse, mages wrath seems to proc concussion fairly regularly and you have 2 sources of implosion, lightening and physical damage.

We fought you running this last night during Oceanic and were wtf a sorc with a bow running curse and mages wrath... Now it makes sense.

Its interesting to see people trying out non beta builds. I haven't even in passing considered a hybrid build so what changes are being made after the patch that will benefit this sort of build?

Waffennacht wrote: »

I sadly expect to never run into one of these on console

I'm sure there are some out there - they just take a bit of work to get used to!

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

We fought you running this last night during Oceanic and were wtf a sorc with a bow running curse and mages wrath... Now it makes sense.

Its interesting to see people trying out non beta builds. I haven't even in passing considered a hybrid build so what changes are being made after the patch that will benefit this sort of build?

Lol you guys were a bit too hard to kill. Some battle seasoned players there. There is an element of surprise if you can get the poison injection -> curse -> mages wrath -> crit rush -> reverse slice down (dawnbreaker too when up). Add in a lot of quickness with sterak and orc sprint.

See post below for the main changes. Jewellery crafting opens up a lot of good hybrid sets you can't currently run because they are crafted same as pelinals.

Vilestride wrote: »

The fact that there are so many sets that provide double bonuses giving Stam and magicka On pieces 2 3 and 4 now helps a lot. Next patch the 2h weapon changes opens up a lot more build options which Will in turn Help the potential for hybrid builds.

Do you think running both mages Fury and reverse slice is worth it? Could be nice to Run frags in one of those slots. if it would proc often enough.

Maybe swap the Bow Bar For a staff Bar and light weave between stock or something until a frag is ready then go in with that On the 2h bar. I dunno I just wanna see Destro and Greatsword work lol

I find mages fury and reverse slice and poison injection puts a lot of tasty burst on someone. What makes mages wrath so nasty is that it sits on you for 4 seconds and anyone dropping you to 20% proc's it. I don't actually have a spammable, which makes reverse slice my spammable because it starts to scale from 50% health.

If my testing shows that the masters bow doesn't increase my damage of my curse/wrath I might look at changing out for a destro.

I have tried frags but have had trouble getting it to proc enough. Maybe swapping hurricane out for the lightning morph would help and upping my magica a bit would help make frags more viable.

When there is a crown sale next I will respect my magica sorc to a dark elf and hybrid him up to see if it outperforms the orc. Orc still does have some tasty passives for such a mobile class though.

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Does masters bow impact spell damage ? I figured itwas applied to the enemy and not yourself.

Yes the masters bow impacts the spell damage when running pelinals, but only on the target effected by poison injection

Waylander wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Really want to mess around with alchemist and pelinels on my stam sorc, mages wrath or curse on a dw Stam Sorc would be deadly. Ice staff back bar for snare and damage mitigation and replace shrouded daggers with curse or frags for the burst damage timed with DBoS. Idk how long it will take me to be able to craft alchemist jewlery though.

There are a few nice crafted sets that will offer a combination of max stats/recovery/uniqueness
- Clever alchemist
- Shacklebreaker
- Mechanical accuity
- the new oblivion damage set

Hopefully jewellery crafting isn't too many weeks slog.

I'm pretty sure it's long

I can't imagine what a haunting curse, endless fury, wrecking blow, dawnbreaker, reverse slice combo could do...... and that's easy to line up.

Waylander wrote: »

Playing around with a Pelinal Sorc in pvp before the new patch makes hybrids more viable.

https://youtu.be/XwtV2i1ZU6c

These clips were taken over the weekend where unfortunately my aussie ping was 280-380 so very few light attacks went off.

Happy to discuss build and any questions if there is any interest. I find it a fun play style managing two resource pools.

Sorcs don't need pelinal's. On 2016 I made my first Hybrid Bow/2H without pelinal's, running 2 Slimecraw, 4 WMK and 5 WoF. I reached 2.6k spell dmg and 2.5 wpn dmg and 12k spell and wpn penetration.

I suppone now I can get the 5th piece of WMK or use something like Shock Master or overwhelming surge to increase the dmg....

I feel like this build lacks some spammable damage skill.

I wonder if I could do something like this with my dunmer mageblade. Rooting them then switching to 2H. Wrecking blow, surprise attack + incap

Hmm I'm inspired.

My modifications will be:

Replacing imperial with shackle breaker, and only using pelinals on front bar, probably 2 hander, nirned great sword. I'd replace slimecraw with domihaus and kena potentially, have to check the numbers.

And have Willpower S&B back bar, adds like 4k~ magicka back bar for Ward and adds tankiness.

Infused weapon damage jewellery/truibune jewellery have to decide the appropriate mix.

Curse, frag, crit rush, imbue weapons and excutioner, dawnbreaker front bar
Ward, surge, vigor, hurricane, streak, shield ult/meteor/OL back bar

Worried about weapon crit %, might have to include pots with it.

But seems good on paper.

Any suggestions?

Hutch679 wrote: »

I can't imagine what a haunting curse, endless fury, wrecking blow, dawnbreaker, reverse slice combo could do...... and that's easy to line up.

One of the drivers is that wrecking blow isn’t as easy to line up on 260-300 ping (which is common for Australia). That combo has more burst.

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Given StamSorcs lack luster selection of stamina class abilities, I've often considered trying a build using Pelinal's. May give it a shot next patch.

It’s fun. A different play style and it takes a little getting used to using both resource pools.

Xvorg wrote: »

I forgot to mention... I made that build before ZoS changes to sustain... so prepare to see you build nerfed in the coming patch

I can’t see anything that nerfs this build in the coming patch, if anything you are opened up to running two 5 once sets and a monster set, which will allow the build to be stronger.

Sanct16 wrote: »

I feel like this build lacks some spammable damage skill.

I think it’s a play style change. The spamable on a 2h stam Sorc is wrecking blow, which isn’t a great spammable unless you are trying to kill someone who doesn’t move.

With this you apply pressure through poison injctection/ double dot poison / curse / streak. My spammable when they hit 50% Health is reverse slice whilst reapplying poison injection/curse. Using streak/ dodge roll / crit charge etc you can also avoid a fair amount of pressure yourself, maximizing the mobility of the class/build.

amir412 wrote: »

True, seems like it will only work vs pugs aswell as he has not enough resources to defend.

Not everyone in my video was a pug and it’s resource management is actually great. It is not a meta dueling build though. I don’t think any hybrid build would be meta, the title is tongue in cheek.

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

I wonder if I could do something like this with my dunmer mageblade. Rooting them then switching to 2H. Wrecking blow, surprise attack + incap

Night blade have some nice hybrid skills/abilities and very nice class skills. @JackDaniell has a few nice hybrid nightblade builds ready for summer set.

Dyride wrote: »

Your bars are setup almost exactly how my sorcs were back in 1.4 except sometimes resto backbar and using Acid Spray instead of Poison Injection.

Why not run something like Pelinals/Agility/Velidreth(Kena)/Domihaus with Maelstrom/Master/Asylum 2H FB and Master Bow backbar?

I get the appeal of Physiques 4 pc but if you are already running Pelinal's, you don't need pcs that give spell damage and Agility+Domihaus is more efficient.

I was thinking of running Valkyn/Pelinals/Agility with Master/Maelstrom 2H and Master Bow. Nasty amount of DoTs and Valkyn to get players into Fury execute range.

Another Summerset setup I contemplated was Pelinals/Fury Infused jewelry+2H/Maelstrom Resto with monster set of choice. You're weapon/spell damage could get sky-high and resto ult is OP.

Mainly using imperial physique because I started the build in IC and it’s a strong set in IC. I mainly use it open world because I have the jewellery in gold and for the magica regen bonus. Basically you get 1 stam regen, 1 magica regen, 1 weapon dmg, spell and weapon crit and 8% damage to magica and stamina skills. With your setup, the regens get replaced by max stats you get 189 more weapon dmg but lose weapon and spell crit and 8% damage. 300 weapon dmg is about 5% dmg, but granted it improves your healing too.

Valkyn provides more burst and there are several dots. Maybe asylum axe for an extra dot chance and greater ulti regen for more db.

Fury is a great set with pelinals, I have run it on my hybrid dk and you can hit some very big dmg. Only trouble is if you run it only on 1 bar you lose the buff bar swapping.

Jsmalls wrote: »

Hmm I'm inspired.

My modifications will be:

Replacing imperial with shackle breaker, and only using pelinals on front bar, probably 2 hander, nirned great sword. I'd replace slimecraw with domihaus and kena potentially, have to check the numbers.

And have Willpower S&B back bar, adds like 4k~ magicka back bar for Ward and adds tankiness.

Infused weapon damage jewellery/truibune jewellery have to decide the appropriate mix.

Curse, frag, crit rush, imbue weapons and excutioner, dawnbreaker front bar
Ward, surge, vigor, hurricane, streak, shield ult/meteor/OL back bar

Worried about weapon crit %, might have to include pots with it.

But seems good on paper.

Any suggestions?

Sword and board is definitely a viable option. Soul assaults melt me. Plus access to a debuff of 5200 physical and spell pen is sexy.

I like shackle/pelinals in the next update. Might take a long while to level jewellery crafting though.

Slime craw is nice on hybrids for the crit and bonus dmg where you can’t access that buff.

Healing might suffer a bit, I find the burst heal of rally stronger than the dot heal of crit surge in pvp. You probably want rally or if healing is good, forward momentum. No snare removal is a weakness of this build.

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Are you really getting the most value out of being a hybrid with this build? Your only magic abilities are mages wrath and curse. Mages wrath is odd cause you're already running 2 executes (3 with implosion).

Curse is generally strong, but you're splitting your CP, lowering your max stam, running pelinels instead of a stam set and dumping your stam regen just so you can have a bargain basement version of Stam Warden's fissure abilitiy.

I watched the whole video and I'm just not seeing any compelling reason not to just go full stam sorc.

Thanks for watching man. Magica abilities are curse, mages wrath, streak, dark conversion. Stamina are vigor/rally/hurricane/poison injection/crit rush/reverse slice. On the overload bar I have mines and lightning splash, caltrops, rearming trap and rapids.

If not a hybrid I replace curse and mages wrath with dizzying swing and evasion. Whilst snare removal is nice, land a reliable dizzying on a decent player at 300 ping is a challenge.

The executes synergise well. Poison injection ramps up under 50% health. Reverse slice ramps up after 50% health. Mages wrath sits on a target for 4 seconds and if they get under 20% it applies in a burst. It also has a decent chance of proc’ing concussion to make them take 8% more dmg and adds a second type of implosion effectively doubling the implosion chance.

CP gives best bang for buck lower, so whilst splitting cp, you get good value out of it and the build gets stronger with every increase to cp.

Give it a try if you are interested. It doesn’t feel that gimped compared to my stam sorc.

Probs to your build, its lovely to see more people enjoying hybrid gameplay. I myself have played hybrid sorc every now and then throughout the years before it was cool, it is very tempting to implement curse and fury into a stamsorc's bars

Regarding your setup, I really recommend you to drop imperial physique outside of IC for a more weapon damage oriented set. As a pelinal sorc, your best bet is to stack whatever weapon damage you can get since you get the double scaling effect. Also your build would hit much harder had you applied the major resistance debuffs to you enemies. From my experience, s/b works out better for hybrid sorcs since you can use puncutre as a spammable and buff your damage at the same time.

If you wanna go the 2h route, the PERFECT combo is running curse -> fury -> dizzing -> execute/DB. It's very fluent and can onehot squishies, though it is easily counterplayble by decent players.

Also try to hit fury AFTER curse, not before. That way you get the fat burst once curse explodes. I'd also recomment to put more points into max magicka and cut your regen so you further amp up your mag damage.

Keep sticking to it, next patch is gonna be great for us hybrids and its soo much more fun to run your own creative builds and get messaged by confused people enjoy!

I really like the idea, I've something to say :

Why not going 1&S and 2h ?

You can do curse/fury/heroic slash/reverb/new bound armement
and on back bar 2h : rally/surge/hurricane/vigor/executioner or critical charge. Or swap vigor main bar and put both critical charge and executioner on back bar.

My point is you took the delayed burst from mag sorc in a stam build but you also negated some of the OP things stam have, why not do both ?

1&S is the best defensive and offensive weapon in the game, you have more damage with light attack/heroic slash/bash than dizzy, and you have a reliable spammable as well as the buff heroic slash give.

ALSO U NEED MAJOR DEFILE it's just too good, reverb is a good stun dealing decent damage giving major defile + a slow, use it !.

You can make something : fury -> curse -> Heroic slash -> reveb -> heroic slash and for a ultimate burst you can do fury -> curse -> Heroic slash -> dawnbreaker -> executionner or an other heroic slash. You can use curse then fury, need to see what's smoother.

I really thing missing a spammable and defile is a bad idea, even worse when 1&S skill overperform by a large margin 2h skills.

What u guys think ?