This is the direct answer to those pushing for a global auction house: now you have it, enjoy it!

There exist an addon that effectively allows to short circuit the guild traders mechanism.

This lets people see hundreds of guild traders in 10 seconds and to know where to immediately go and relist items at inflated price.

You demanded the global auction house. You got it. Or the equivalent of it.

And now you whine because you found out it was not the panacea, right?

Beardimus wrote: »

And this is why we 100% don't want a global auction house...

That's exactly why we DO need a global auction house.

The way it is now most of the market is inaccessible to normal players. They can't participate because they don't have access to one of the few good trading spots or no time to sit through dozens of loading screens and deal with the lackluster trader interface.

Scalpers on the other hand know about and use tons of 3rd party tools that give them such a huge advantage that it's trivial to fleece those who don't. Plus, there's also the issue of a few people monopolizing the best trader spots.

It's all about visibility and accessibility. Both of which are terrible for normal players the way it is now. An auction house would level the playing field.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Honestly the rich cats that constantly empty the market of certain goods and then upsell it are really annoying...i understand that you want to make money - but how much more do you need if you already have millions? Besides, what i can't understand - new items appearing - if you cant get them withint 10 minutes they are gone and re-appear at 3x the price....

Happend for example yesterday - item was gone 16 minutes after it appeared on the GS when i tried to buy it and appeared an hour later at 3times the price....

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes?? Is that their whole game, buying and selling? For what if you dont use the money to actually play the game?

Just making money for money sake is completly pointless.

And people wonder why so many people are against a Global AH...imagine if these people could just sit in one location and buy out everything and not have to move around traders and cities etc.

At least this system makes them work for it to a point.

Bajatar wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

And this is why we 100% don't want a global auction house...

Scalpers on the other hand know about and use tons of 3rd party tools that give them such a huge advantage that it's trivial to fleece those who don't. Plus, there's also the issue of a few people monopolizing the best trader spots.

It's all about visibility and accessibility. Both of which are terrible for normal players the way it is now. An auction house would level the playing field.

Anyone with half a brain playing on PC would use those, since there isn't any downside to it. The problem is with console, where you don't have any functional addons to give you a hint about the right price, but since there are none, the so-called "scalpers" can't use them either, and thus rely on gut feeling or simply scrolling down manually through guild stores (vanilla trading interface is pure crap) and picking the items they thing they're worth flipping. Which is quite tedious. I see no reason why people shouldn't be rewarded for their efforts.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Honestly the rich cats that constantly empty the market of certain goods and then upsell it are really annoying...i understand that you want to make money - but how much more do you need if you already have millions? Besides, what i can't understand - new items appearing - if you cant get them withint 10 minutes they are gone and re-appear at 3x the price....

Happend for example yesterday - item was gone 16 minutes after it appeared on the GS when i tried to buy it and appeared an hour later at 3times the price....

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes?? Is that their whole game, buying and selling? For what if you dont use the money to actually play the game?

Just making money for money sake is completly pointless.

And people wonder why so many people are against a Global AH...imagine if these people could just sit in one location and buy out everything and not have to move around traders and cities etc.

At least this system makes them work for it to a point.

So true. so true!
So let's review a few things.
The situation that OP shared happens, but, if we had a AH, it would be SO much worse.Things to think about is...
To have your guilds items on TTC,you must have the add on, you must have the TTC client downloaded, and you have to physically scan you guild store. Not all guilds or store items are listed on TTC. In a AH they would all be there.
There are 183 Kiosks. IF a person had say, a billion gold, the amount of time to travel to ALL kiosks to buy everything of a certain item would take how long? Add in load screens. How long? With a AH, BAM. Bought and done.

Ok, same buyer, IF they manage to "Corner" the market on a certain item, they now have only 5 guilds in which to sell all these said products. That's 178 Guild Stores left that they cant sell in. If a AH, BAM, list them all at higher price, done.

TLDR; It is literally impossible to corner the market of an item in ESO. Yes you may have to shop to find it, but no one controls the market on anything. 183 kiosks and only 5 guilds to sell in insures this can't happen. A AH would make this possible.

To OP, try looking in smaller markets like Orsinium, Vivec, etc. What you were looking for that sold so fast is somewhere, just have to shop a little..
My 2 drakes......

I resale things... I don't use a script. I start at the top of the list of zones and go to every major cluster of TG's looking for specific buys all across Tamriel. It take me about 30 minutes to an hour depending on how quick I want to be and what i'm looking for. I do this maybe 2-3 times a week. I don't use TTC. it took me about 5 weeks of doing this to make my first million but after that I was able to earn much quicker.

I'm not disgustingly rich (always hovering around 3 million-ish) and do enjoy playing this part of the game. It's not all I do. I level, quest, run dungeons with friends and participate in my guild. Why have all this money? Well, in the past I have used it to help out people. I've sent several million (with help of some like minded friends) to streamers I want to help support. I've loaned out gold to friends who wanted to buy a property that they didn't currently have all the gold for but wanted. I'm given people gifts and i've never had to worry if something came around that I wanted.

I'm by no means everywhere at once and I am by no means the model of how people do this, but it's honestly quite easy and doesn't take as much work or time as you would think. It's fun, useful and doesn't break any rules. Why wouldn't you? If you saw a valuable item in a store selling for gosh sometimes 50-70% less than normal market value and you knew it was an item people buy a lot why wouldn't you pick it up at the lower price and make some gold? It's like walking by a Columbine node knowing they are worth a couple hundred gold each and not picking it up.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyralbin wrote: »

One of the biggest issues with the system as it sits now is the multitude different addons for the PC.

Each of these only gives you the data from those that use each system. So for a true value of every/any item everybody would need to be running every addon. With this not being the case every addon does not have the true information or data.

What is really needed (regardless of AH or guild traders) is for ZOS to either take one of these addons and add to the base game or create a system of its own.

Keeping my fingers crossed that someday this will happen.

the only 'true' value of any item is what an npc will give you for it.

i have to confess i struggle with the idea of 'true' value, what does it mean? is it the value that a number of people have decided to give an item? that's a consensus, what makes it 'true'?

if i sell item x today for 100 gold is that it's true value? you could argue that, for that moment, it is.

but what if someone sells the same thing for 90 gold or 200 gold does either of those then become the 'true' value?

Umm, maybe true value was the wrong term but truer average would be a better term.

The main idea I was trying to get across is that having different addons causes problems. We need something that does the same job as MM or any of the others added to base game that everybody uses so we can get correct data.

Simple but brutal solution, if an item has been purchased it cannot be resold.

Simple but slightly less brutal solution, if an item has been purchased it cannot be resold for more than the original price.

Tough love, but profiteering ends overnight

Tyralbin wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyralbin wrote: »

One of the biggest issues with the system as it sits now is the multitude different addons for the PC.

Each of these only gives you the data from those that use each system. So for a true value of every/any item everybody would need to be running every addon. With this not being the case every addon does not have the true information or data.

What is really needed (regardless of AH or guild traders) is for ZOS to either take one of these addons and add to the base game or create a system of its own.

Keeping my fingers crossed that someday this will happen.

the only 'true' value of any item is what an npc will give you for it.

i have to confess i struggle with the idea of 'true' value, what does it mean? is it the value that a number of people have decided to give an item? that's a consensus, what makes it 'true'?

if i sell item x today for 100 gold is that it's true value? you could argue that, for that moment, it is.

but what if someone sells the same thing for 90 gold or 200 gold does either of those then become the 'true' value?

Umm, maybe true value was the wrong term but truer average would be a better term.

The main idea I was trying to get across is that having different addons causes problems. We need something that does the same job as MM or any of the others added to base game that everybody uses so we can get correct data.

No, we don't. People can choose to sell at whatever price they want to list something. If nobody bites, it gets returned to them in 30 days.

I think MM is as far as I would go for price tracking. It tracks prices in your own guilds and then you can compare with others. Having a global price tracker would only exacerbate the problem the OP is complaining about.

Liddyenna wrote: »

Regulated fixed maximum prices, similar to BDO perhaps?

And then we will have people trading items for real money, just like in BDO. Except here it will actually work 100% of the time.

Its just like the graphics cards market at the moment. No one likes it but we have to live with it.

When you're a buyer trying to bargain hunt, it's annoying. But when you're selling in an out of the way trader, resellers are a significant part of your traffic if you price appropriately and speeds up your turnover if that's a goal.

Guild store: "How can I help you?"
Me: "I'm looking for a motif, staff."

GS: "One moment while I give you our entire inventory of motifs."
Me: "I only want staff listings."

GS: "Ha. Ha. We're not Wow. Okay, here are your items."
Me: gets carpal tunnel syndrome as I cycle 14.2 million lists. "Let's see. 50k. 50k. 50.01k. 51k. 70k 120k. Nope. Nope. Shopping elsewhere."

Guild Store #2: "I ain't got all day."
Me: uses same search criteria. Pain is getting worse. "100k. 100.01k Nope, and damn. Really?"

Guild Store #3: "My inventory was just restocked. Take a look!"
Me: "50k. 50k. F** this crap. Damn greedy kids. Must have learned pricing from ZoS."



No Ra Gada staff.

Oh well. I'm sure it'll drop at some point. Hopefully by then, my CTS will have cleared up.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i assume making gold is becoming the new game for them - but i dont understand what the end goal is... not playing the game, never using the gold and just hoarding it...and then stop playing the game and just having huge amount of gold...for nothing... i don't get it

Me either. I'm lucky if I have 10K gold between all of my characters.

Asardes wrote: »

Anyone with half a brain playing on PC would use those, since there isn't any downside to it.

You have to install mods written by random people on the Internet. They can be buggy, impact performance or cause issues when the game gets updated. There's also the issue of trust. You're installing executable programs on your computer. For some that's only a bunch of LUA scripts. Others require the installation of closed-source software that does who knows what.

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

TLDR; It is literally impossible to corner the market of an item in ESO. Yes you may have to shop to find it, but no one controls the market on anything. 183 kiosks and only 5 guilds to sell in insures this can't happen. A AH would make this possible.

Most of these traders might as well not exist because they get no traffic. You said yourself that it's time consuming to go everywhere. That true even more so for normal players who don't run a stack of add-ons to speed things up or who just want to play the game.

People stick to a couple of big locations like Belkarth, Mournhold, Elden Root or Wayrest. As a result, 5 guilds are enough to cover most of the market.

An auction house would make scalping harder because supply and - more importantly - the visibility of said supply would increase to a point where buying up everything becomes infeasible. Every MMORPG I've played with a proper auction house has a much more vibrant and functioning in-game economy than ESO.

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Honestly the rich cats that constantly empty the market of certain goods and then upsell it are really annoying...i understand that you want to make money - but how much more do you need if you already have millions? Besides, what i can't understand - new items appearing - if you cant get them withint 10 minutes they are gone and re-appear at 3x the price....

Happend for example yesterday - item was gone 16 minutes after it appeared on the GS when i tried to buy it and appeared an hour later at 3times the price....

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes?? Is that their whole game, buying and selling? For what if you dont use the money to actually play the game?

Just making money for money sake is completly pointless.

And people wonder why so many people are against a Global AH...imagine if these people could just sit in one location and buy out everything and not have to move around traders and cities etc.

At least this system makes them work for it to a point.

So true. so true!
So let's review a few things.
The situation that OP shared happens, but, if we had a AH, it would be SO much worse.Things to think about is...
To have your guilds items on TTC,you must have the add on, you must have the TTC client downloaded, and you have to physically scan you guild store. Not all guilds or store items are listed on TTC. In a AH they would all be there.
There are 183 Kiosks. IF a person had say, a billion gold, the amount of time to travel to ALL kiosks to buy everything of a certain item would take how long? Add in load screens. How long? With a AH, BAM. Bought and done.

Ok, same buyer, IF they manage to "Corner" the market on a certain item, they now have only 5 guilds in which to sell all these said products. That's 178 Guild Stores left that they cant sell in. If a AH, BAM, list them all at higher price, done.

TLDR; It is literally impossible to corner the market of an item in ESO. Yes you may have to shop to find it, but no one controls the market on anything. 183 kiosks and only 5 guilds to sell in insures this can't happen. A AH would make this possible.

To OP, try looking in smaller markets like Orsinium, Vivec, etc. What you were looking for that sold so fast is somewhere, just have to shop a little..
My 2 drakes......

Finally someone who "got it"!