These constant uptraders are really getting on my nerves

Nemesis7884 · May 2018

Honestly the rich cats that constantly empty the market of certain goods and then upsell it are really annoying...i understand that you want to make money - but how much more do you need if you already have millions? Besides, what i can't understand - new items appearing - if you cant get them withint 10 minutes they are gone and re-appear at 3x the price....

Happend for example yesterday - item was gone 16 minutes after it appeared on the GS when i tried to buy it and appeared an hour later at 3times the price....

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes?? Is that their whole game, buying and selling? For what if you dont use the money to actually play the game?

Just making money for money sake is completly pointless.

Thunderknuckles · May 2018

There are programs/add ons that help them with things like this. If you want a halfway decent idea about the mentality of some player who do this....recently there was a player greatly complaining about how the extended anniversary event was going to really screw up his sales in a few months as the market would be flooded, then he mentioned how he has literally over a quarter of a billion gold between all his toons.....

That much gold and he was furious about the event going an extra week. LOL Greed, baby. Pure and simple.

Nemesis7884 · May 2018

i assume making gold is becoming the new game for them - but i dont understand what the end goal is... not playing the game, never using the gold and just hoarding it...and then stop playing the game and just having huge amount of gold...for nothing... i don't get it

Vilestride · May 2018

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i assume making gold is becoming the new game for them - but i dont understand what the end goal is... not playing the game, never using the gold and just hoarding it...and then stop playing the game and just having huge amount of gold...for nothing... i don't get it

Lol. You could say the same thing about reality no? And yet we do it.

Androconium · May 2018

I have listed items that have sold in less than a minute. I have concluded that there's an add-on that alerts potential scalpers.
Nothing can be done that wouldn't impact ordinary players, however.

Whiphid · May 2018

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i assume making gold is becoming the new game for them - but i dont understand what the end goal is... not playing the game, never using the gold and just hoarding it...and then stop playing the game and just having huge amount of gold...for nothing... i don't get it

Selling the gold probably, for real world $€£

Stinkyremy · May 2018

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

There are programs/add ons that help them with things like this. If you want a halfway decent idea about the mentality of some player who do this....recently there was a player greatly complaining about how the extended anniversary event was going to really screw up his sales in a few months as the market would be flooded, then he mentioned how he has literally over a quarter of a billion gold between all his toons.....

That much gold and he was furious about the event going an extra week. LOL Greed, baby. Pure and simple.

Selling the gold for real money obviously

Beardimus · May 2018

And this is why we 100% don't want a global auction house...

Jim_Pipp · May 2018

It's a role play game. Some people want to role play as stockbrokers (for some reason). It is the only PVE role play that genuinely makes the game harder for casual players, but it takes all sorts of people to make the world.

Menelaos · May 2018

The locusts usually only graze the bigger guild stores and leave the smaller or out-of-the-way ones alone. You can make some decent coin there while the big warehouses are emptied, and you can also get most regular or rarer items there as well.

ecru · May 2018

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Honestly the rich cats that constantly empty the market of certain goods and then upsell it are really annoying...i understand that you want to make money - but how much more do you need if you already have millions? Besides, what i can't understand - new items appearing - if you cant get them withint 10 minutes they are gone and re-appear at 3x the price....

Happend for example yesterday - item was gone 16 minutes after it appeared on the GS when i tried to buy it and appeared an hour later at 3times the price....

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes?? Is that their whole game, buying and selling? For what if you dont use the money to actually play the game?

Just making money for money sake is completly pointless.

They use a script that scans the TTC website for specific things at specific prices. If you can code, something like this is very easy to make. If you have some spare cash, I'm sure you could also hire someone to make a script like this for you for a small fee.

An addon can't do this because an addon can't scan more than one guild store at a time.

That said, they do still have to travel to the guild merchant and buy the item themselves. This part can't be automated.

Beardimus wrote: »

And this is why we 100% don't want a global auction house...

Yep, this. While what I described above is possible, it does take a good amount of effort outside of the game, along with coding knowledge or real money to pay someone to write the script for you. Things would be much, much worse for the average player if we had a global auction house.

Asardes · May 2018

Players who buy various things and overprice them do take significant risk: the first lose 1% of the price when they list them, then if they don't sell they have to re-list them again, and then there's the opportunity cost of filling a guild slot with an item that's unlikely to sell soon, instead of another that might. They are angling for foolish players, who buy whatever they find first. I've seen Mercenary style pages listed for 10K which was obviously a rip-off, then went to the next kiosk and got it for 650 gold. If you see something listed at absurd prices, don't buy it. That's the best way to deny profit to the speculators. I always list my items slightly below MM price (average 5% discount) and they still sell fast. In fact you can make more money by selling fast, especially low value items, since guild slots are limited. I don't remember when I saw an item expire on a guild, and I have a hefty sum in bank.

Prof_Bawbag · May 2018

Erm, why not? Making gold is a game within a game. Some folk like doing the same repetitive content over and over and over again, some people enjoy grinding just for the sake of it, some for the socialising and some people like buying a selling. It's not even about the gold itself, it's about just playing that part of the game. Everything in this game is completely pointless. Tell me, what value does completing vMoL hold once you switch your PC or console off? Does it add to your real life accomplishments?

I've played this game since launch and if it were just questing, I'd have binned it long ago as the quests are poor and all a copy and paste from the same 3 or 4 templates. But i appreciate there are others who love that part of the game. I like buying and selling and until ZoS tell me that I can't, then I think I'll carry on as I am. Unless of course you're willing to pay my internet, my ESO+ fees and reimburse me for all the other money I've sank into the game, then you can dictate to me what i can't or can't do.

I don't tell you what you can or can't do in game, so feel free to take some of that advice on board yourself. For your information too, I've been burnt a good few times too. It's not all roses.

Menelaos · May 2018

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Everything in this game is completely pointless. Tell me, what value does completing vMoL hold once you switch your PC or console off? Does it add to your real life accomplishments?

I beg to differ, and you give the answer yourself in your statement already. It's about playing a game and playing games is never pointless, although the "value" of playing a game may not lie inside the game itself. It's about relaxing and having fun, which is an important aspect of life. So yes, mastering content of a game does have a kind of real life accomplishment. People are satisfied with their efforts and maybe with the social interaction that was necessary to achieve a goal. And these things last, even after switching off your braindrainer.

Some may call it bragging rights, others call it self-fulfillment. The personal value remains the same and it's never pointless.

Lazarus_Rising · May 2018

l disagree . The current System is also bad. At least we a free market economy with the global action house. Currently it's a Monopoly which force you to join a big guild.

Even if someone buy all the stuff including yours you made some money.

Nemesis7884 · May 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i assume making gold is becoming the new game for them - but i dont understand what the end goal is... not playing the game, never using the gold and just hoarding it...and then stop playing the game and just having huge amount of gold...for nothing... i don't get it

Lol. You could say the same thing about reality no? And yet we do it.

Who doe that? I only know people that want to make money to buy things or people that enjoy what they are doing and the money is rather a side effect....

Lysette · May 2018

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Honestly the rich cats that constantly empty the market of certain goods and then upsell it are really annoying...i understand that you want to make money - but how much more do you need if you already have millions? Besides, what i can't understand - new items appearing - if you cant get them withint 10 minutes they are gone and re-appear at 3x the price....

Happend for example yesterday - item was gone 16 minutes after it appeared on the GS when i tried to buy it and appeared an hour later at 3times the price....

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes?? Is that their whole game, buying and selling? For what if you dont use the money to actually play the game?

Just making money for money sake is completly pointless.

Yes, but it takes some wisdom to grasp that - and those didn't get to that point by now.

Prof_Bawbag · May 2018

Menelaos wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Everything in this game is completely pointless. Tell me, what value does completing vMoL hold once you switch your PC or console off? Does it add to your real life accomplishments?

I beg to differ, and you give the answer yourself in your statement already. It's about playing a game and playing games is never pointless, although the "value" of playing a game may not lie inside the game itself. It's about relaxing and having fun, which is an important aspect of life. So yes, mastering content of a game does have a kind of real life accomplishment. People are satisfied with their efforts and maybe with the social interaction that was necessary to achieve a goal. And these things last, even after switching off your braindrainer.

Some may call it bragging rights, others call it self-fulfillment. The personal value remains the same and it's never pointless.

For some, but you're point is no more valid than mine. I find zero self fulfilment in obtaining skins even though I have them, so what some might find fulfilling isn't indicative of the user base as a whole. My point was more geared towards what he thinks is utterly pointless isn't necessarily pointless to others. But if he holds the firm view that it is utterly pointless, then it's no more valid than me saying obtaining achievements and anything else is utterly pointless. So everything is ultimately pointless. Can't cherry pick what is and what isn't as we all have different views on what we want out of any given game.

FloppyTouch · May 2018

Well when ur selling gold for real money you can never have enough. And anyone that is selling and collecting billions of gold is not doing it to have a ton of gold.

Prof_Bawbag · May 2018

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Well when ur selling gold for real money you can never have enough. And anyone that is selling and collecting billions of gold is not doing it to have a ton of gold.

Slightly off on a tangent here, but what does bug me is if you have a *** ton of gold, a lot of people assume you have that amount because you're a gold selling scrub (i know that wasn't your point and isn't a dig at you). I have never sold a single piece of gold for any sort of monetary gain and never would. I use my gold to help guilds and to make gear for newcomers who need gear and whatnot. I don't actually buy anything for myself as for some bizarre reason I'm tight that way.

Mureel · May 2018

ecru wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Honestly the rich cats that constantly empty the market of certain goods and then upsell it are really annoying...i understand that you want to make money - but how much more do you need if you already have millions? Besides, what i can't understand - new items appearing - if you cant get them withint 10 minutes they are gone and re-appear at 3x the price....

Happend for example yesterday - item was gone 16 minutes after it appeared on the GS when i tried to buy it and appeared an hour later at 3times the price....

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes?? Is that their whole game, buying and selling? For what if you dont use the money to actually play the game?

Just making money for money sake is completly pointless.

They use a script that scans the TTC website for specific things at specific prices. If you can code, something like this is very easy to make. If you have some spare cash, I'm sure you could also hire someone to make a script like this for you for a small fee.

An addon can't do this because an addon can't scan more than one guild store at a time.

That said, they do still have to travel to the guild merchant and buy the item themselves. This part can't be automated.

Beardimus wrote: »

And this is why we 100% don't want a global auction house...

Yep, this. While what I described above is possible, it does take a good amount of effort outside of the game, along with coding knowledge or real money to pay someone to write the script for you. Things would be much, much worse for the average player if we had a global auction house.

I also guarandarntee ya that the results displayed on the ttc site are not the entirety of the results available for viewing by the one/s who made the app.

It's very easy to gather information but only publicly display the part that you want to display.

Like in a forum: the database contains the entirety of the users' info - but password and email addresses, for 2 examples, are not displayed to the public.

You could write your own or hire someone to do that, if you were that concerned. If you aren't, then you aren't.

I only use it to find something when I don't mind paying standard prices.

Uviryth · May 2018

Flippers are the cancer of commerce, be it in Real Life or in Online Games. Just ignore them and dream of them getting a very itchy, oozing and smelling *** disease (nothing fatal, just uncomfortable as hell).

jedtb16_ESO · May 2018

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Honestly the rich cats that constantly empty the market of certain goods and then upsell it are really annoying...i understand that you want to make money - but how much more do you need if you already have millions? Besides, what i can't understand - new items appearing - if you cant get them withint 10 minutes they are gone and re-appear at 3x the price....

Happend for example yesterday - item was gone 16 minutes after it appeared on the GS when i tried to buy it and appeared an hour later at 3times the price....

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes?? Is that their whole game, buying and selling? For what if you dont use the money to actually play the game?

Just making money for money sake is completly pointless.

this is essentially another nerf/cheat thread.

player x beat me at y therefore they must either be cheating or need nerfing.

the bit i put in bold.... do you have evidence for that?

then there's the tinfoil hat merchants with the whole 'oh they are running scripts' theory. could just be they are in the right place at the right time. i've had it happen myself - browsing a guild store spot a few items just posted and think "hmmm... those are really good prices i'll take them and flip them"

as others have pointed out making gold is a game within a game... perfectly legitimate and all part of the fun and, like everything else, you don't have to do it.

Numerikuu · May 2018

It's gotten to the point on the EU servers that low level materials which are plentiful and 'were' affordable (jute/flax etc) are now being sold at nearly the same bloody price as ancestor silk. I understand silk being the price it is, but low level mats? Come the hell on now.

I don't mind if you manipulate the market in a legit fashion, but using third-party scanning programs on sites like TTC or on the game itself is cheating. In any other MMO that would net you an account ban.

Asardes · May 2018

The reason why those still get listed at high prices is simply price inertia. During the even everyone and their grandma was doing writs for the boxes, even on lowbie characters, and that drove prices way up, since most people don't stock on anything but the top tier materials. I liquidated my stocks of low-intermediate tier materials at very good prices during the event for this reason. It works like this: people look at MM average, and that usually averages out prices over a month, then they see the high price because 2/4 weeks overlap with the event, when the demand was actually high, and list at that price. Prices have come down a bit from the peak, something you can actually see if you open the MM graph. Once people realize that what they're listing ain't selling at those prices, because the driving force is gone, will start undercutting again, and in a few more weeks prices will come down where they were before, barely above vendor price.

The_Art_of_Paw · May 2018

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

How are these people even so fast that they can constantly be everywhere and buy every item within minutes??

It is just the large volume of players on the game is all. This game boasts having over 10million players and when you get in to the trading scene, or any popular scene for that matter, you will experience the large volumes of people that flow through.

People also want to make tonnes of gold for the goals they have, also to have a pool of gold to sit on for future updates. An example, you have houses in the millions and if you ever have a goal of running a guild and providing all the amenities then you are looking at a goal in the 10's of millions of gold to setup

Raraaku · May 2018

While admittedly inconvenient, I have found that shopping at guild stores that are not located in one of the main hubs (Daggerfall/Stonefalls/Vulkhel Guard/Wayrest/Elden Root/Mournhold/etc.) is the best route to go. I usually hop around all over Tamriel/Coldharbor looking for the best deal; it takes longer than usual but I have saved sooooo much gold by doing this. I have also found (in my experience) that uptraders tend to not hit these areas as they are too out of the way and admittedly, the hub locations are great due to their proximity to crafting stations and multiple stores in one area.

But I will say that it is ridiculous, particularly when someone is selling a mat for 10k+ but if you go to a roadside guild trader, you can probably find the same material for 1-2k.

ClockworkCityBugs · May 2018

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

but i dont understand what the end goal is...

simple? sell gold for real money(bannable offence)

Rungar · May 2018

the reason why low level mats especially jute is expensive is because the writ system still uses that for any non maxed characters. You might have a maxed crafter or a few maxed crafters but people are doing writs with up to 15 characters.

15 chars doing writs= 54k per day not including what you get from them in terms of tempers, mats, writs, surveys etc.

my searching policy is to take the 3rd or 4th because its often still there. Everyone goes for the first one listed.

Jolipinator · May 2018

BOB's your uncle.

Bind On Buy.

Syncronaut · May 2018

I generaly buy cheap and sell for normal price. Nothing wrong with that. The money i make is your time saved me looking for 200 of items you generaly need. Most of cheap markets usualy have 1 or 2 herbs listed.