IC story is undoable

Ley · May 2018

Mureel wrote: »

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Ley wrote: »

Comes to PvP zone to quest.
Complains about players PvPing.

Do PvPers not deserve quests?

LOL that you call 4-6 lvl 40+ players vs 1x lvl 29 one 'pvp'

More like semi vs Kitten.

Part of the hazard of playing in a PvP zone. Doesn't matter if it's 1 player killing you or 30, if you don't want to or can't fight them, then run away and hide until they pass.

myskyrim26 · May 2018

@Mureel,
Thank you for lots of useful info! Will keep trying to do the story.

@vamp_emily,
Thank you! Will try this out

Mureel · May 2018

Ley wrote: »

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Mureel wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Comes to PvP zone to quest.
Complains about players PvPing.

Do PvPers not deserve quests?

LOL that you call 4-6 lvl 40+ players vs 1x lvl 29 one 'pvp'

More like semi vs Kitten.

Part of the hazard of playing in a PvP zone. Doesn't matter if it's 1 player killing you or 30, if you don't want to or can't fight them, then run away and hide until they pass.

I agree. I get rekt by choo choos but I don't care.

However: let's don't pretend he's complaining about 'pvping' as such. He's complaining about getting gangbanged - and frankly - I can understand the sentiment even though it's a PVP zone.

starkerealm · May 2018

vamp_emily wrote: »

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Mureel wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Create a baby Khajiit and go to Kyne.

He has a baby - lvl 29.

I'm on Kyne campain, my Khajiit is lvl 29

wow.. in 3 years I've only been killed a few times in low level IC. I never see the enemy and very few DC.

OP put this on your kitty and you will be safe:
5 pieces of plague doctor
5 pieces of Fortified Brass

Most players will try to kill you and then just give up.

Rolling around the IC with 50k health and (bad) outgoing DPS, is usually more than enough to keep most of the idiots off my back. Either that or ghosting around on a Nightblade and being completely invisible.

BozzyTheDrummer · May 2018

Are you trying to do this solo? For me, getting anywhere is Cyrodiil/IC is better in a group. But then again, I am only cp221, so I can't do much when going in there solo.

AlnilamE · May 2018

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driosketch wrote: »

Does the group that wipes you also wipe the mobs? You might be able to get credit for that fight if you don't release right away. That's how I cleared Temple and Arena quests when IC first launched.

Need to be more patient and don't ressurect so soon to check if they kill "my" enemies, ty!
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AlnilamE wrote: »

OP, are you on NA or EU? (I'm guessing from the campaign names that you are on PC)

PC EU

Ah. I'm on NA so I can't help you. :-(

Ley · May 2018

Mureel wrote: »

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Ley wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Comes to PvP zone to quest.
Complains about players PvPing.

Do PvPers not deserve quests?

LOL that you call 4-6 lvl 40+ players vs 1x lvl 29 one 'pvp'

More like semi vs Kitten.

Part of the hazard of playing in a PvP zone. Doesn't matter if it's 1 player killing you or 30, if you don't want to or can't fight them, then run away and hide until they pass.

I agree. I get rekt by choo choos but I don't care.

However: let's don't pretend he's complaining about 'pvping' as such. He's complaining about getting gangbanged - and frankly - I can understand the sentiment even though it's a PVP zone.

Nothing can be done about it, this is the nature of PvP. Quest are still completely doable, they just require a bit more caution and effort.

What gets me is OP seems to be saying that it was a bad decision to place quests in a PvP zone in the first place. Just because they don't enjoy PvP doesn't mean that people who do enjoy PvP shouldn't get quests.

myskyrim26 · May 2018

BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

Are you trying to do this solo? For me, getting anywhere is Cyrodiil/IC is better in a group. But then again, I am only cp221, so I can't do much when going in there solo.

Well, yes, and quests seem to be doable solo (so far). My main is 560 CPs, so I thought that my Khajiit will cope with the IC PVE content having them

ParaNostram · May 2018

Sorry OP but reality of IC is it's a PvP zone sooooooo just gotta deal with the PvP. Don't see PvPers in a dungeon complaining about a lack of PvP in there.

myskyrim26 · May 2018

Ley wrote: »

What gets me is OP seems to be saying that it was a bad decision to place quests in a PvP zone in the first place. Just because they don't enjoy PvP doesn't mean that people who do enjoy PvP shouldn't get quests.

Sure, but there must be a soulution for those who are not interested in PVP. Quests should not be hidden for both types of players - those preffering PVP and PVE. Now, the IC quests are hidden for PVE ones.

@AlnilamE,
Thanks anyway!

starkerealm · May 2018

myskyrim26 wrote: »

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BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

Are you trying to do this solo? For me, getting anywhere is Cyrodiil/IC is better in a group. But then again, I am only cp221, so I can't do much when going in there solo.

Well, yes, and quests seem to be doable solo (so far). My main is 560 CPs, so I thought that my Khajiit will cope with the IC PVE content having them

I could be mistaken, but doesn't CP shut down on Kyne?

Mureel · May 2018

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Ley wrote: »

What gets me is OP seems to be saying that it was a bad decision to place quests in a PvP zone in the first place. Just because they don't enjoy PvP doesn't mean that people who do enjoy PvP shouldn't get quests.

Sure, but there must be a soulution for those who are not interested in PVP. Quests should not be hidden for both types of players - those preffering PVP and PVE. Now, the IC quests are hidden for PVE ones.

@AlnilamE,
Thanks anyway!

To be fair: it IS a pvp zone - so you have to be stronger/faster/stealthier or more patient. That part IS true.

casparian · May 2018

myskyrim26 wrote: »

there must be a soulution for those who are not interested in PVP

Why must there be? There isn't a way to experience all the great story and lore from any of the trials for players who are not interested in group PVE.

At any rate, there are several solutions available:
- find a time and campaign with no other players
- join a group of other players who want to complete the quest
- find a build that can successfully flee and hide from any players you meet
- find a build that can take a long and annoying time to kill
- if players kill you, whisper them and ask if they will let you do the quest (in a sincere, non-entitled way)

driosketch · May 2018

IC turned out to be one of my favorite quest arcs in the game. I especially liked the Nobel's district one due to the Aedra easter egg. There have been a few tweaks since launch, even without pvp, a couple of the district quests were not easy to solo. I hope you get it done, it will take some persistence.

Ley · May 2018

myskyrim26 wrote: »

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Ley wrote: »

What gets me is OP seems to be saying that it was a bad decision to place quests in a PvP zone in the first place. Just because they don't enjoy PvP doesn't mean that people who do enjoy PvP shouldn't get quests.

Sure, but there must be a soulution for those who are not interested in PVP. Quests should not be hidden for both types of players - those preffering PVP and PVE. Now, the IC quests are hidden for PVE ones.

@AlnilamE,
Thanks anyway!

You cut out the first part of that quote where I stated "Quest are still completely doable, they just require a bit more caution and effort."

Nothing is keeping you from completing these quests except for your own lack of will to put forth the effort and practice the caution required to complete them.

You want a solution? Here are several:

Get better at pvp.
Do quests with other people.
Watch out for enemy players and do your best to run and hide if you see them.
Attempt the quests when your alliance has a dominant presence in that area.
Accept that you will be killed by other players, play like you would in PvE and just keep at it.
Keep invisibility potions on you or play with a nightblade and stealth every time you even think you see or hear an enemy player.
Play on a super tanky character and hope enemy players get bored of you.
Play on a super speedy character that can run away.

Whatever your approach is, chances are you will get killed from time to time. If you can't handle that then there's no solution that will help you.

Ragged_Claw · May 2018

For all those telling the OP to stop crying, because it's a PvP zone, it's not:

'The Imperial City offers many activities you can participate in. Whether you're interested in strictly PVE, PVP, or a little of both, here are some of the ways you might choose to spend your time in the Imperial City...'
[From ESO website]

So asking how best to complete the quests is a fair question and not 'crying' or 'whining'.

Wolfkeks · May 2018

Yeah, as I wasn't much of a pvper in the beginning, I was also quite frustrated with IC when it came out.
Takes some time to finish them with other groups around, but wow, never heard there were such problems in Kyne! (Wasn't there a long time)
Best solution I would have for you is do it with other people, maybe with a nice social guild who runs such events regularly, so you have peeps who can help you with the quests.
I ran the IC story line on a few characters now and mostly with my guild, which helps with the gankers and such.

I hope you find a way to finish the storyline

ZOS_Mika · May 2018

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BozzyTheDrummer · May 2018

myskyrim26 wrote: »

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BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

Are you trying to do this solo? For me, getting anywhere is Cyrodiil/IC is better in a group. But then again, I am only cp221, so I can't do much when going in there solo.

Well, yes, and quests seem to be doable solo (so far). My main is 560 CPs, so I thought that my Khajiit will cope with the IC PVE content having them

Just about all that I can do solo in IC is go in and kill enemies, making sure I can make it in and ac to the exit without dying (i don't have one of those things to teleport me back to the base) The only time I can go in there and have any success whatsoever with quests is if I have a group of at least three people .

Abysswarrior45 · May 2018

Try leveling up and playing a different campaign, try invis pots, try to get progress done->die->get progress done->die, or try getting good, lol. Smh

Stinkyremy · May 2018

The iorny is that i did the IC story, solo, (tank) in last years midyear mahem.
So idk what your issue is, you are a NB too.
Forget about tel var, just do the quests.
I still haven't killed the horrors and done the elites in imp city yet though.

FR0STDEE · May 2018

Try getting some pvp gear since it's a pvp zone.

ArchMikem · May 2018

Ley wrote: »

Comes to PvP zone to quest.
Complains about players PvPing.

Do PvPers not deserve quests?

PvPers dont care about the quests. All they care about is ganking "carebears" trying to do those quests.

OP unfortunately your options are going into an empty campaign or playing during the late hours when you have the lowest risk of running into someone. Also having high dps so you burn through the mobs quickly also helps. I held off on the IC questline for over a year before finally getting it done myself.

VexingArcanist · May 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

PvPers dont care about the quests. All they care about is ganking "carebears" trying to do those quests.

Not all PvPers are gankers, but all gankers are PvPers. Try not to confuse the two.

Sheezabeast · May 2018

Invisible pots and sigils are your best friend in IC. Don't give up because of whats happened, you can do it, you just gotta bring better tools

Thunderknuckles · May 2018

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Ok, I wanted to do an IC storyline with my Khajiit. It seems to be very interesting. And undoable, as every time I try to defend the gates - a quest in Noble district - a crowd from other Alliance comes and killes me.
Thank you, ZOS, for the excellent idea of placing a quest in the PVP zone. Thanks a lot. Many thanks. I guess I have to read this story somewhere as I will never be able to it. Learn to play PVP, get some friends - no, thanks. I'm only interested in quests in ESO. Thanks again.

I run IC on a very regular basis. I'd be happy to try and help you through it, but doubt you're as late as I am. Some of that is group content for lower levels. What class are you?

Kiralyn2000 · May 2018

ParaNostram wrote: »

Sorry OP but reality of IC is it's a PvP zone sooooooo just gotta deal with the PvP. Don't see PvPers in a dungeon complaining about a lack of PvP in there.

Not really the same thing. If their dungeon run was being interrupted by another group of PvE'ers running through and killing the boss on them, it might be closer.

And yeah. Putting PvE/storyline quests in an open PvP zone is just silly. All it is, is an invitation for griefing. A gift of free victims for PvPers who enjoy kicking puppies and stomping on ants.

Riptide · May 2018

They are not PVE storylines. As they exist within a PVP area, they are in fact PVP storylines.

Just as trial storylines are not solo storylines.

Simply because they have similar programatic mechanics as a PVE quest does not make them so any more than because a trial quest uses the same programatic mechanics as a solo content quest that a trial should be able to be completed solo. The latter sounds absurd because it is absurd.

As does the idea that someone who is so adverse to PVP that they do not take the time to learn/gear to defend themselves, or to group should be entitled to complete what is clearly PVP content.

You should not be surprised to hit a certain wall of disdain for such a sense of entitlement.

Sharpen your weapons, learn to fight, or learn to lead others, or both - and get it done. And experience a rich and rewarding gameplay style, broaden your horizons.

Or don’t. But they aren’t going to water it down for you.

Minyassa · May 2018

Having seen so many of these posts in the year I've been playing, I just don't and won't try quests in any PvP area at all. Better not to even attempt it than try and get cut off partway through. Sorry you wasted your time, though. Hopefully you will find other quest lines in PvE that will ease the sting of unrequited story closure.

RANKK7 · May 2018

Riptide wrote: »

They are not PVE storylines. As they exist within a PVP area, they are in fact PVP storylines.

No, those are actually PVE quests, because your goal is to kill NPCs, players around are a nuisance and can interfere but aren't calculated in the quests as a goal or anything. So, I would define it a lame mix pve/pvp at best.

The fact those quests are located in PVP environment is indeed what many find wrong, it suffices to look at how many threads have been open about that.

Me too I think mixing pve and pvp is a very dumb idea, it makes many pve players unhappy and personally I don't know any pvp player interested in the slightest to do questing, where the goal is to kill NPCs.

The only quests available in AvA locations should be Player vs. Player, they could have worked on a bounty system, as it's been suggested many times with very good ideas and insights.