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Stamina DPS Summerset Patch
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It's a shame that Stamina gets nerfed so hard.
They said that this patch is about to balance magicka to stamina. They did in some way, because Psjiic Order Imbue Weapon works great, and it's loved to see that magicka's can now run 2 sets + monster set. However, Stamina's got nerfed really.
Psjiic Order now gives Magicka above all these things also Minor Force on ranged, 'Channel Acceleration'. This makes Magicka's great, but no buffs for Stamina so far.
To be honest, Psjiic Order Abilities adds nothing to stamina chars in Trial setup.
The only great abilty in trial setup is going to be Crushing Weapon, however, it's not useable by most classes.
Stam-classes who heavy attack often (Sorc!!, Templar, DK, -idk about Warden-) can't use Crushing Weapon because it only gives extra damage to the next LIGHT Attack. DK has to many DoTs to keep up, so on their bar there really isn't space for a spammable. Templars will stay with their jabs, because the class passives of aedric spear provides more (crit) damage while slotted, and when you use a aedric spear ability, your Burning Light passive has a chance to proc. This all is worth more than Crushing Weapon. Sorc simpely has a to big sustain issue we're you can't afford a spammable like Crushing Weapon in your rotation. Warden also heavy attacks to sustain everything, making it not worth to slot a spammable on your bar that you can't even use most of the time.
With the balance changes to Light/ Heavy attacks, so that Light attacks are more focused on damage and Heavy attacks more focused on sustain, it makes stamina DPS even more worse, especially the ones who heavy attack a lot (Sorc!!!).
Summerset almost forces every class to light attack instead of heavy attack, however with some classes you just can't do that really. With all these points, I want to discuss stamsorc really quick. Bound Armaments now increases your LIGHT attack damage by 11%, not HEAVY attack damage anymore. If you are playing with a viable trial-setup build, then you notice that you only LIGHT attack on your backbar (bowbar). On your frontbar, you will weave Heavy Attacks to sustain everything, making the new changes to Bound Armaments very bad (and almost useless)...
If you count everything in, then you'll notice that Magicka classes wil get buffed big time because of the Psjiic Order skill line, and also because of the changes related in these patch notes. Stamina's will get nerfed mainly compared to Magicka, becasue almost all of them can't use Psjiic Order Skills, and on top of that, the unique bonus from NMG and Sunderflame has been removed, making is instantly not trial ready anymore.
ZoS please, to balance Stamina up compared to Magicka in trial environment, you have got to bring back NMG and Sunderflame to increase Stamina damage in trials so they can compete with Magicka DD's. Not only that, but also please check out the BiS rotation for each class. Make a choose on stamsorc for example, (1) Increase their sustain so they will be able to LIGHT attack on their frontbar and so they can use Crushing Weapon to increase DPS, or (2) change Bound Armaments back to the Heavy Attack bonusses, instead of Light Attack bonusses. And then also give Heavy Attacks more damage instead of nerfing the damage into a sustain tool.
I hope I didn't wrote this for nothing, and that you will take a look at Stamina classes to balance them fairly to Magicka classes, also because they always stand on melee range and therefore they take more risc to die then Magicka DD's.
I hope to keep on using NMG and Sunderflame instead of deconstruct it when Summerset launches.
Kind Regards,
Stan.
They said that this patch is about to balance magicka to stamina. They did in some way, because Psjiic Order Imbue Weapon works great, and it's loved to see that magicka's can now run 2 sets + monster set. However, Stamina's got nerfed really.
Psjiic Order now gives Magicka above all these things also Minor Force on ranged, 'Channel Acceleration'. This makes Magicka's great, but no buffs for Stamina so far.
To be honest, Psjiic Order Abilities adds nothing to stamina chars in Trial setup.
The only great abilty in trial setup is going to be Crushing Weapon, however, it's not useable by most classes.
Stam-classes who heavy attack often (Sorc!!, Templar, DK, -idk about Warden-) can't use Crushing Weapon because it only gives extra damage to the next LIGHT Attack. DK has to many DoTs to keep up, so on their bar there really isn't space for a spammable. Templars will stay with their jabs, because the class passives of aedric spear provides more (crit) damage while slotted, and when you use a aedric spear ability, your Burning Light passive has a chance to proc. This all is worth more than Crushing Weapon. Sorc simpely has a to big sustain issue we're you can't afford a spammable like Crushing Weapon in your rotation. Warden also heavy attacks to sustain everything, making it not worth to slot a spammable on your bar that you can't even use most of the time.
With the balance changes to Light/ Heavy attacks, so that Light attacks are more focused on damage and Heavy attacks more focused on sustain, it makes stamina DPS even more worse, especially the ones who heavy attack a lot (Sorc!!!).
Summerset almost forces every class to light attack instead of heavy attack, however with some classes you just can't do that really. With all these points, I want to discuss stamsorc really quick. Bound Armaments now increases your LIGHT attack damage by 11%, not HEAVY attack damage anymore. If you are playing with a viable trial-setup build, then you notice that you only LIGHT attack on your backbar (bowbar). On your frontbar, you will weave Heavy Attacks to sustain everything, making the new changes to Bound Armaments very bad (and almost useless)...
If you count everything in, then you'll notice that Magicka classes wil get buffed big time because of the Psjiic Order skill line, and also because of the changes related in these patch notes. Stamina's will get nerfed mainly compared to Magicka, becasue almost all of them can't use Psjiic Order Skills, and on top of that, the unique bonus from NMG and Sunderflame has been removed, making is instantly not trial ready anymore.
ZoS please, to balance Stamina up compared to Magicka in trial environment, you have got to bring back NMG and Sunderflame to increase Stamina damage in trials so they can compete with Magicka DD's. Not only that, but also please check out the BiS rotation for each class. Make a choose on stamsorc for example, (1) Increase their sustain so they will be able to LIGHT attack on their frontbar and so they can use Crushing Weapon to increase DPS, or (2) change Bound Armaments back to the Heavy Attack bonusses, instead of Light Attack bonusses. And then also give Heavy Attacks more damage instead of nerfing the damage into a sustain tool.
I hope I didn't wrote this for nothing, and that you will take a look at Stamina classes to balance them fairly to Magicka classes, also because they always stand on melee range and therefore they take more risc to die then Magicka DD's.
I hope to keep on using NMG and Sunderflame instead of deconstruct it when Summerset launches.
Kind Regards,
Stan.
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Zippy81✭✭✭Another valid point would be how to get to the penetration cap of 18k without any use of sharpened weapons or champion points. Magicka dps have the light armor passive ready whereas for stamina dps in a group it is sunderflame and NMG that provided it (2 sets to make up for a passive every mag dps has anyway). Back to the all-sharpened mode? Where's the variety again?Kind regards,
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Schattenfluegel✭✭✭✭TFS, Kragh and CPs?
I did 33,4k this morning on the PTS...before the patch it was 31k, and i could sustain both rotas. Something is wrong...Edited by Schattenfluegel on May 1, 2018 11:26AMLove my Stamsorc0 -
actosh✭✭✭✭✭Could the new tank set wich buffs the next LA of 3 allies by 40% help the stam toons?
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Schattenfluegel✭✭✭✭Sure, this could help too...and the maintank should be wearing it..Edited by Schattenfluegel on May 1, 2018 11:41AMLove my Stamsorc0
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Nolic1✭✭✭Stamsorc with the new dps set from the trials ether perfect or imperfect should be able to pull quit a bit of dps this time around. What other set you pair that with I can not say at the moment cause have not tested much on the stam sorc yet sence you still have to double bar bound armorments to make it work but would use the same rotation as before with the new set you should pull high dps.Sherman from Sherman's Gaming
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Aerithone✭✭✭i was able to pull 39k on stamsorc with auto+new set+ dsa dualwield with crashing weapon.i made 1-2 heavies per circle with 2-3 crush weapons,so i don't see a problem here.I will show you fear in a handfull of dust.2
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✭On top of what the op just listed, they also nerf 2H light attacks for no conceivable reason at all.Bosmer Stamina NB
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Another valid point would be how to get to the penetration cap of 18k without any use of sharpened weapons or champion points. Magicka dps have the light armor passive ready whereas for stamina dps in a group it is sunderflame and NMG that provided it (2 sets to make up for a passive every mag dps has anyway). Back to the all-sharpened mode? Where's the variety again?
Would you want the medium armor passives to be reworked to give penetration instead of weapon damage and make the medium armor crit passive to be a 5 piece bonus instead?
In trials stamina still does more than magicka (but not by a lot now) but now it is not a 25% difference in DPS its almost the same, which means that some stamina spots might get replaced by mele magicka DKs.0 -
Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »Another valid point would be how to get to the penetration cap of 18k without any use of sharpened weapons or champion points. Magicka dps have the light armor passive ready whereas for stamina dps in a group it is sunderflame and NMG that provided it (2 sets to make up for a passive every mag dps has anyway). Back to the all-sharpened mode? Where's the variety again?
Would you want the medium armor passives to be reworked to give penetration instead of weapon damage and make the medium armor crit passive to be a 5 piece bonus instead?
In trials stamina still does more than magicka (but not by a lot now) but now it is not a 25% difference in DPS its almost the same, which means that some stamina spots might get replaced by mele magicka DKs.
I think i’d rather swap the light armour penetration passive for extra spell damage
I’m joking. Seriously don’t do that.0 -
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✭✭✭✭So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.2 -
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✭✭✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »On top of what the op just listed, they also nerf 2H light attacks for no conceivable reason at all.
Yeah having 2H deal weaker light attacks than DW makes absolutely no sense.6 -
SirSocke✭✭✭It has begun already. As a stamblade I got asked if I could switch to magicka next patch.
I have really bad memories at homestead patch when no stamina was wanted in a trial...
Please ZOS, not a second homestead, please!Bosmer stamina nightblade!10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »Another valid point would be how to get to the penetration cap of 18k without any use of sharpened weapons or champion points. Magicka dps have the light armor passive ready whereas for stamina dps in a group it is sunderflame and NMG that provided it (2 sets to make up for a passive every mag dps has anyway). Back to the all-sharpened mode? Where's the variety again?
Would you want the medium armor passives to be reworked to give penetration instead of weapon damage and make the medium armor crit passive to be a 5 piece bonus instead?
Actually, I wish they'd move the stealth passive from MA to thieves guild line, and replace it with a penetration passive 5 pc similar to what LA has.
But, that's just me."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."6 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?0 -
Tempestwrath✭✭✭So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?
Even nonwithstanding the balance changes, the mechanics of the new Trial overwhelmingly favor magicka-based DPS; kind of like Asylum but taken to its extreme.
The balance changes are just the icing on the cake. Stamina has no place as endgame Summerset DPS.3 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tempestwrath wrote: »So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?
Even nonwithstanding the balance changes, the mechanics of the new Trial overwhelmingly favor magicka-based DPS; kind of like Asylum but taken to its extreme.
The balance changes are just the icing on the cake. Stamina has no place as endgame Summerset DPS.
And ofc Summerset trial will be the only game end content in the game ?Edited by Juhasow on May 1, 2018 3:25PM0 -
Tempestwrath✭✭✭Tempestwrath wrote: »So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?
Even nonwithstanding the balance changes, the mechanics of the new Trial overwhelmingly favor magicka-based DPS; kind of like Asylum but taken to its extreme.
The balance changes are just the icing on the cake. Stamina has no place as endgame Summerset DPS.
And ofc Summerset trial will be the only game end content in the game ?
So,
Magicka can deal equal or more DPS than class-for-class stamina equivalent builds according to all recent parses in the PTS.
Magicka is more resilient, via shields and having range and is better positioned to avoid mechanics.
Magicka can apply its DPS better through mechanics, especially in regard to increasingly mobile bosses in newer content.
Give me one good reason to bring stamina DPS in my leaderboard-oriented trial group.14 -
Aerithone✭✭✭Schattenfluegel wrote: »
with the arms of whatchmacallit, new stam set from clodrest.I will show you fear in a handfull of dust.0 -
Schattenfluegel✭✭✭✭Yeah tried it on the dps dummy, its stronger than MA + Whatthings..Love my Stamsorc0
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tempestwrath wrote: »Tempestwrath wrote: »So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?
Even nonwithstanding the balance changes, the mechanics of the new Trial overwhelmingly favor magicka-based DPS; kind of like Asylum but taken to its extreme.
The balance changes are just the icing on the cake. Stamina has no place as endgame Summerset DPS.
And ofc Summerset trial will be the only game end content in the game ?
So,
Magicka can deal equal or more DPS than class-for-class stamina equivalent builds according to all recent parses in the PTS.
Magicka is more resilient, via shields and having range and is better positioned to avoid mechanics.
Magicka can apply its DPS better through mechanics, especially in regard to increasingly mobile bosses in newer content.
Give me one good reason to bring stamina DPS in my leaderboard-oriented trial group.
Classic ESO comminuty. They've seen just scrap of informations and few parses on YT and they start commenting like it would be realiable source of informations. Not even mentioning that yesterday we had change that reduced dmg of ight and heavy attacks and added few pretty decent sets but still some people know what is the best based on YT videos maded before the change.
For Your knowledge on PTS with similar amount of penetration class-for-class stamina wins in every comparision. The only fact why in many videos magicka is doing more DPs is only because of that penetration differences which in real trial enviroment are negated anyway.
You want one reason why stamina will be bringed for leaderboard scores ? Well because in trials that allows for more static combat stamina will still be better in terms of DPS simple as that. It's not like that 1 new trial will be the only end game content.Edited by Juhasow on May 1, 2018 5:32PM1 -
Tempestwrath✭✭✭Tempestwrath wrote: »Tempestwrath wrote: »So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?
Even nonwithstanding the balance changes, the mechanics of the new Trial overwhelmingly favor magicka-based DPS; kind of like Asylum but taken to its extreme.
The balance changes are just the icing on the cake. Stamina has no place as endgame Summerset DPS.
And ofc Summerset trial will be the only game end content in the game ?
So,
Magicka can deal equal or more DPS than class-for-class stamina equivalent builds according to all recent parses in the PTS.
Magicka is more resilient, via shields and having range and is better positioned to avoid mechanics.
Magicka can apply its DPS better through mechanics, especially in regard to increasingly mobile bosses in newer content.
Give me one good reason to bring stamina DPS in my leaderboard-oriented trial group.
Classic ESO comminuty. They've seen just scrap of informations and few parses on YT and they start commenting like it would be realiable source of informations. Not even mentioning that yesterday we had change that reduced dmg of ight and heavy attacks and added few pretty decent sets but still some special snowflakes know what is the best based on YT videos maded before the change.
For Your knowledge on PTS with similar amount of penetration class-for-class stamina wins in every comparision. The only fact why in many videos magicka is doing more DPs is only because of that penetration differences which in real trial enviroment are negated anyway.
You want one reason why stamina will be bringed for leaderboard scores ? Well because in trials that allows for more static combat stamina will still be better in terms of DPS simple as that. It's not like that 1 new trial will be the only end game content.
You do realize that the two sets that gave stamina party members comparable penetration (NMG and Sunderflame) to Magicka builds have been altered so that they no longer do that, right? Without speccing into more penetration on gear (and thus, having less inherent crit/stam/weapon damage), stamina can no longer reach the same penetration values in a trial environment.
So I reiterate: why carry stamina DPS into a trial setting post-4.0?Edited by Tempestwrath on May 1, 2018 5:45PM11 -
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✭✭I agree.
Magicka Chars were buffed AND Stamina got some nerfs.
I tested on PTS again StamDK and MagDK as these are the two characters which I normally want to play with Summerset. My StamDK got 41k buffed while MagDK was 35k. These were just quick tests and I don't play Magicka normally. Although it was a bit disgusting that you can even do that much DPS with a Magicka Char without really knowing what you're doing. Of course a better LA-Weaving would increase the DPS a lot, but... I played the last 2 years Stamina Characters with Heavy Attack Rotation.
Atm the stamina rotation is totally... dumb, because you have to weave LA too to get more DPS. But if you don't do HA that much, you're running out of ressources.
The next problem is that it's really boring that we have to wear TFS now as both buff-Sets (NMG and Sunderflame) were nerfed. So our combination is always TFS + another set instead of different 2 sets depending on what we want. If you don't use TFS, you have a big lack of penetration. And unfortunately you lose a lot of DPS then.
I don't know what you think but i don't like Bow-Builds. But this is maybe the only chance with Summerset to do again high DPS?
I still can't understand that my most loved classes (StamSorc + StamDK) lose their weight of Heavy Attacks. I mean... StamDK has "Molten Armaments" which buffs our HA by 40%. But HA don't do that much Damage anymore... And StamSorcs? Yeah The Bound Armor gives now 11% LA-Damage. What's this?
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twistedmonk✭✭✭suggestions to make stamina dps to overperform compared to magicka dps just for trials makes no sense to me. very few people play trials and you aren't even considering how unbalanced that is to the game as a whole.
Edited by twistedmonk on May 1, 2018 6:28PM0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tempestwrath wrote: »Tempestwrath wrote: »Tempestwrath wrote: »So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?
Even nonwithstanding the balance changes, the mechanics of the new Trial overwhelmingly favor magicka-based DPS; kind of like Asylum but taken to its extreme.
The balance changes are just the icing on the cake. Stamina has no place as endgame Summerset DPS.
And ofc Summerset trial will be the only game end content in the game ?
So,
Magicka can deal equal or more DPS than class-for-class stamina equivalent builds according to all recent parses in the PTS.
Magicka is more resilient, via shields and having range and is better positioned to avoid mechanics.
Magicka can apply its DPS better through mechanics, especially in regard to increasingly mobile bosses in newer content.
Give me one good reason to bring stamina DPS in my leaderboard-oriented trial group.
Classic ESO comminuty. They've seen just scrap of informations and few parses on YT and they start commenting like it would be realiable source of informations. Not even mentioning that yesterday we had change that reduced dmg of ight and heavy attacks and added few pretty decent sets but still some special snowflakes know what is the best based on YT videos maded before the change.
For Your knowledge on PTS with similar amount of penetration class-for-class stamina wins in every comparision. The only fact why in many videos magicka is doing more DPs is only because of that penetration differences which in real trial enviroment are negated anyway.
You want one reason why stamina will be bringed for leaderboard scores ? Well because in trials that allows for more static combat stamina will still be better in terms of DPS simple as that. It's not like that 1 new trial will be the only end game content.
You do realize that the two sets that gave stamina party members comparable penetration (NMG and Sunderflame) to Magicka builds have been altered so that they no longer do that, right? Without speccing into more penetration on gear (and thus, having less inherent crit/stam/weapon damage), stamina can no longer reach the same penetration values in a trial environment.
So I reiterate: why carry stamina DPS into a trial setting post-4.0?
So short-sighted... Yes because without NMG and Sunder stamina players are doomed. You do realize that stamina got new set that is capable to do 10k single target DPS on it's own in trial enviroment ? As for NMG , Sunder nerfs , all what most stam DD's will go for will be changing warrior mundus to lover and spending new 10 CP's into penetration. Selfbuffed parse from today slightly cheesed in terms of penetration because I was testing maces and CP's but still 5k away from penetration cap
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waitwhat✭✭✭✭✭Tempestwrath wrote: »Tempestwrath wrote: »Tempestwrath wrote: »So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?
Even nonwithstanding the balance changes, the mechanics of the new Trial overwhelmingly favor magicka-based DPS; kind of like Asylum but taken to its extreme.
The balance changes are just the icing on the cake. Stamina has no place as endgame Summerset DPS.
And ofc Summerset trial will be the only game end content in the game ?
So,
Magicka can deal equal or more DPS than class-for-class stamina equivalent builds according to all recent parses in the PTS.
Magicka is more resilient, via shields and having range and is better positioned to avoid mechanics.
Magicka can apply its DPS better through mechanics, especially in regard to increasingly mobile bosses in newer content.
Give me one good reason to bring stamina DPS in my leaderboard-oriented trial group.
Classic ESO comminuty. They've seen just scrap of informations and few parses on YT and they start commenting like it would be realiable source of informations. Not even mentioning that yesterday we had change that reduced dmg of ight and heavy attacks and added few pretty decent sets but still some special snowflakes know what is the best based on YT videos maded before the change.
For Your knowledge on PTS with similar amount of penetration class-for-class stamina wins in every comparision. The only fact why in many videos magicka is doing more DPs is only because of that penetration differences which in real trial enviroment are negated anyway.
You want one reason why stamina will be bringed for leaderboard scores ? Well because in trials that allows for more static combat stamina will still be better in terms of DPS simple as that. It's not like that 1 new trial will be the only end game content.
You do realize that the two sets that gave stamina party members comparable penetration (NMG and Sunderflame) to Magicka builds have been altered so that they no longer do that, right? Without speccing into more penetration on gear (and thus, having less inherent crit/stam/weapon damage), stamina can no longer reach the same penetration values in a trial environment.
So I reiterate: why carry stamina DPS into a trial setting post-4.0?
So short-sighted... Yes because without NMG and Sunder stamina players are doomed. You do realize that stamina got new set that is capable to do 10k single target DPS on it's own in trial enviroment ? As for NMG , Sunder nerfs , all what most stam DD's will go for will be changing warrior mundus to lover and spending new 10 CP's into penetration. Selfbuffed parse from today slightly cheesed in terms of penetration because I was testing maces and CP's but still 5k away from penetration cap
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✭✭✭✭✭Tempestwrath wrote: »Tempestwrath wrote: »Tempestwrath wrote: »So the changes they did for magicka needed to happen, however I understand what the OP is saying. Magicka simply has superior survivability because of their OP damage shields. Because of this whenever magicka can pull similar numbers as Stam (even 5k less), stamina becomes dead in competitive trials. In order to have Stam present in competitive trials they absolutely need to have superior DPS in order to justify their existence. Currently the DPS distribution in trials is 4 Stam, and 4 magicka. Next update it'll be all magicka for anything competitive.
Ofc I assume You did all the trials on PTS for supporting that conclusion ? Or it is just your random theory without any baseground ?
Even nonwithstanding the balance changes, the mechanics of the new Trial overwhelmingly favor magicka-based DPS; kind of like Asylum but taken to its extreme.
The balance changes are just the icing on the cake. Stamina has no place as endgame Summerset DPS.
And ofc Summerset trial will be the only game end content in the game ?
So,
Magicka can deal equal or more DPS than class-for-class stamina equivalent builds according to all recent parses in the PTS.
Magicka is more resilient, via shields and having range and is better positioned to avoid mechanics.
Magicka can apply its DPS better through mechanics, especially in regard to increasingly mobile bosses in newer content.
Give me one good reason to bring stamina DPS in my leaderboard-oriented trial group.
Classic ESO comminuty. They've seen just scrap of informations and few parses on YT and they start commenting like it would be realiable source of informations. Not even mentioning that yesterday we had change that reduced dmg of ight and heavy attacks and added few pretty decent sets but still some special snowflakes know what is the best based on YT videos maded before the change.
For Your knowledge on PTS with similar amount of penetration class-for-class stamina wins in every comparision. The only fact why in many videos magicka is doing more DPs is only because of that penetration differences which in real trial enviroment are negated anyway.
You want one reason why stamina will be bringed for leaderboard scores ? Well because in trials that allows for more static combat stamina will still be better in terms of DPS simple as that. It's not like that 1 new trial will be the only end game content.
You do realize that the two sets that gave stamina party members comparable penetration (NMG and Sunderflame) to Magicka builds have been altered so that they no longer do that, right? Without speccing into more penetration on gear (and thus, having less inherent crit/stam/weapon damage), stamina can no longer reach the same penetration values in a trial environment.
So I reiterate: why carry stamina DPS into a trial setting post-4.0?
So short-sighted... Yes because without NMG and Sunder stamina players are doomed. You do realize that stamina got new set that is capable to do 10k single target DPS on it's own in trial enviroment ? As for NMG , Sunder nerfs , all what most stam DD's will go for will be changing warrior mundus to lover and spending new 10 CP's into penetration. Selfbuffed parse from today slightly cheesed in terms of penetration because I was testing maces and CP's but still 5k away from penetration cap
@Juhasow was that with a vMA bow? Did that new set seriously just out-DPS Thunderous Hail?
Yes with vMA bow.0
