Omg its so OP! Nerf it Nerf it!

Osubaker33 · April 2018

The constant cries of this is OP or that is OP is really sucking any fun out of this game.

I no longer get excited for changes in any patch because I know it will be completely nerfed to hell by ZoS by the time it goes live.

Its getting so completely rediculous.

If you only main one class please keep your mouth shut when it comes to helping balance. Your completely one sided view doesn't help the game at all. This is especially true when it comes to PvP.

Checkmath · April 2018

and you are one of the guys only playing one class?

HuawaSepp · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

and you are one of the guys only playing one class?

He is refering to the 20% dmg nerf of light attacks.

NyassaV · April 2018

Even if you only play one class primarily, that doesn't mean you don't have other characters and don't play them. One of the reasons I often rant amount DK being so powerful is because I have one and it can be stupidly easy. Just apply dotz, block cast whip and stuff, heavy attack for stam, rinse and repeat. Then Ult when you want to make a kill

Mystrius_Archaion · April 2018

These developers went to the "if it is overperforming, nerf it to the rest" school of design instead of the much more fun and still fair "if it is overperforming, buff everyone else to the same level because people are obviously playing the OP choice more because they like it more" school.

Maybe next game I find will be better designed. Until then, I get by with this as much as I can.

Minno · April 2018

HuawaSepp wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

and you are one of the guys only playing one class?

He is refering to the 20% dmg nerf of light attacks.

of which the consistent feedback was that certain classes were getting high 70kish DPS increases. Sounded like ZOS felt that wasn't intended for their vision of empower changes.

thankyourat · May 2018

Sometimes the complaints are needed and abilities and sets need to nerfed like the old malubeth or rearming trap. majority of the time it's a learn to play issue. Whenever I hear someone say their class is weak I instantly think it's an experience issue. What I think it is is players want justification for losing because they can't accept losing. So it must be the class they play because it couldn't possibly be that the persson they lost to outplayed them

Tannus15 · May 2018

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

These developers went to the "if it is overperforming, nerf it to the rest" school of design instead of the much more fun and still fair "if it is overperforming, buff everyone else to the same level because people are obviously playing the OP choice more because they like it more" school.

Maybe next game I find will be better designed. Until then, I get by with this as much as I can.

If ZoS only buffed and didn't nerf then all content would be trivial within 2 patches. Which is where things were when Morrowind was released and why the massive sustain nerfs were applied.

Even now half the mechanics in end game PvE can be ignored if you can get over a DPS threshold. It' either buff every monster, encounter and gear set in the game do deal with the fact that some people are using a certain combination of gear or nerf the 1 gear set that is strictly better than everything else. What do you think is better?

sneakymitchell · May 2018

thankyourat wrote: »

Sometimes the complaints are needed and abilities and sets need to nerfed like the old malubeth or rearming trap. majority of the time it's a learn to play issue. Whenever I hear someone say their class is weak I instantly think it's an experience issue. What I think it is is players want justification for losing because they can't except losing. So it must be the class they play because it couldn't possibly be that the persson they lost to outplayed them

But when a class is under performing cause one class gets buffs while others get nerf.
Sure I main Stam DK. I learn all I can for the way it’s meant to be played but I choose my own path with it. Only problem for Stam DK is that the lack of healing for them for pvp. The DoT damage on a DK for pvp is hard to kill cause you need burst than having different DoTs.

The next patch favors magicka again. But with side par of tanking on other classes.

Mihael · May 2018

in my experience, the people that make threads like this are the ones that are just mad because the one thing that helped them compensate for their lack of skill/ game knowledge was taken away

Toast_STS · May 2018

tldr but I agree please nerf

Wolfenbelle · May 2018

Osubaker33 wrote: »

The constant cries of this is OP or that is OP is really sucking any fun out of this game.

I no longer get excited for changes in any patch because I know it will be completely nerfed to hell by ZoS by the time it goes live.

I agree about as completely as it's possible to agree.

Mondini · May 2018

I for one am happy to see changes being made in the BETA. seems like a breath of fresh air from zos.

The Uninvited · May 2018

Minno wrote: »

HuawaSepp wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

and you are one of the guys only playing one class?

He is refering to the 20% dmg nerf of light attacks.

of which the consistent feedback was that certain classes were getting high 70kish DPS increases. Sounded like ZOS felt that wasn't intended for their vision of empower changes.

Than adjust those classes/skills a bit instead of blanket nerf maybe?

Turelus · May 2018

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

These developers went to the "if it is overperforming, nerf it to the rest" school of design instead of the much more fun and still fair "if it is overperforming, buff everyone else to the same level because people are obviously playing the OP choice more because they like it more" school.

Maybe next game I find will be better designed. Until then, I get by with this as much as I can.

Damage creep is not fun in the long run. I don't want to play an ESO where my light attacks do 1mil damage and bosses have 1tril health.

Checkmath · May 2018

the problem behind this is the following one:
if something really overperforms, its easier to nerf it than make everything else competitive again. the seconds i really hard because, we do nt only have PvE content, also PvP, where offense and defense needs to be balanced. if light attacks are overperforming, its easier to lower its damage than to rebalance all defensive mechanism of all players to the amount, where light attacks perform in line.
if one class skill is overperforming, you rather nerf it, because otherwise you would have to address a buff to all other classes and a buff to the defense, because otherwise damage overall would be too much for PvP.
now stop crying and deal with simple nerfs instead of having huge changes.

ak_pvp · May 2018

I can't say I don't have my biases, but it's more just to being familiar with all the itty bitty pain points in my class which has the effect of making it look like I want to be op.

In my opinion, only a few abilities need nerfs, but they should come with buffs too.

These abilities are: cloak and shimmering.

Cloak is meant to be invisibility but the damage reduction it provides is too much. Abilities en route and dots should still hit, for example I could still hit someone in front of me even if I couldn't see them, and them moving out of my view after being stabbed wouldn't stop a bleed. In turn cloak shouldn't reveal when taking single target damage like dots, potl, incoming projectiles etc, and mark/pots would be 1 player only then (no reveals from ST) and only AoEs and reveal skills would reveal. As a disclaimer before I get a bunch of NB hater comments, I think their high damage is fine, and so is the mobility and new shade buff. No other nerfs needed.

Shimmering: Drastically reduce mag returned (to like 100 per hit) but make shimmering 3 projectiles per enemy, so it scales better as a defense, and returns enough mag when out numbered, just not enough to completely shut down a 1v1 ranged build.

Dedricus · May 2018

You're aware that this is how damage bloat happens, right? Nerfs are essential to balance.

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Micah_Bayer · May 2018

Osubaker33 wrote: »

The constant cries of this is OP or that is OP is really sucking any fun out of this game.

I no longer get excited for changes in any patch because I know it will be completely nerfed to hell by ZoS by the time it goes live.

Its getting so completely rediculous.

If you only main one class please keep your mouth shut when it comes to helping balance. Your completely one sided view doesn't help the game at all. This is especially true when it comes to PvP.

You remind me of a baby...One that needs to be fed and needs a nap currently. Things get broken and things need to be fixed, understand that if your broken setup is broken.. it Will get fixed. In all my time in this game, I have never had one thing nerfed except streak. But armour wise..never. I don't pick flavor of the month because itbwill undoubtedly get nerfed due to changing the flow of the game to make it more interesting.

WillhelmBlack · May 2018

I think we can all agree, the only things that need nerfing are Zaan, Caluurian, Nightblades and probably half of the Psijic skill line.