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Getting kicked out of the group for tanking.
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Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭if on EU PS4 look me up - same name.
Dunno if you do this or not but as a DD the marker of a bad tank is one that drags mobs/bosses out my AOE. Maybe you're doing that?
If you're being insta kicked then you must be really low level wise?PS4 - Europe - Aldmeri Dominion0 -
Yzalirk✭✭✭✭Sometimes DPS players will kick the tank as they blame them because they are squishy and have no self heal.
Tanking is pretty fun but can be annoying at times. There are plenty of builds out there if you choose to follow those ones or you can make a build of your own. Class also does play a pretty important role. It is much easier to tank as a Dragonknight compared to a Nightblade. I saw a really cool Warden tank and DPS build a while back on YouTube which did not even use 64 Health points if I remember quickly. The guy took all the heat and took like no damage at all in Veteran dungeons.1 -
Numerikuu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just because you can taunt doesn't mean you can tank. If you don't have the health, the defenses, or knowledge of the bosses mechanics, you're gonna have a bad time.1 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sometimes DPS players will kick the tank as they blame them because they are squishy and have no self heal.
Tanking is pretty fun but can be annoying at times. There are plenty of builds out there if you choose to follow those ones or you can make a build of your own. Class also does play a pretty important role. It is much easier to tank as a Dragonknight compared to a Nightblade. I saw a really cool Warden tank and DPS build a while back on YouTube which did not even use 64 Health points if I remember quickly. The guy took all the heat and took like no damage at all in Veteran dungeons.
Yep I'm running a warden tank and loving it but your right about dps it's does seem it's the tank or healers fault even when some of the bosses have mechanics that they randomly go after some one else ,it's still the tanks fault the way I look at it is it's my job to take as much agro and keep alive not look after them as well0 -
IndianaGeoff✭✭✭I had a similar idea of being a tank. But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have. And when I started doing the group dungeons, I realized that the Tank needs to be the most experienced person in the group. He is the leader. Healers just have to keep everyone alive and hand out buffs. DPS, burn. Yes, you need to know what to burn and when to use AOE's vs Single Target burn, but pretty basic.
Tanks manage the whole fight. Who to taunt, where to park them and facing what direction. When to gather adds, when to let them go and DPS handle them. All this takes extensive dungeon experience.
I would step back, and play healer and DPS until you learn the dungeons. Even then, you should stick with the "old" ones (non DLC). You are getting kicked because you don't know the job. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant if you are new to all this. Just realize it and learn the job. When you know the job, then give it another shot.1 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IndianaGeoff wrote: »But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have.
There's 2 taunts in the game. One from Sword n Shield line (the very first one), the other from the Undaunted line. It doesn't matter what your class is.1 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This thread is hilarious. We have no clue why the OP is getting kicked and he has disappeared.
It's like starting a thread saying "Help! I need..." and then just walking away and watching everyone fill in the blank and argue about it.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IndianaGeoff wrote: »But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have.
There's 2 taunts in the game. One from Sword n Shield line (the very first one), the other from the Undaunted line. It doesn't matter what your class is.
There are 4 taunts.
1. Puncture from One Hand and Shield.
2. Inner fire from Undaunted
3. Ice Staff Heavy Attack with the Tri-Focus passive
4. Tormentor set, 5 piece, procs on a charge ability.1 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IndianaGeoff wrote: »I had a similar idea of being a tank. But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have. And when I started doing the group dungeons, I realized that the Tank needs to be the most experienced person in the group. He is the leader. Healers just have to keep everyone alive and hand out buffs. DPS, burn. Yes, you need to know what to burn and when to use AOE's vs Single Target burn, but pretty basic.
Tanks manage the whole fight. Who to taunt, where to park them and facing what direction. When to gather adds, when to let them go and DPS handle them. All this takes extensive dungeon experience.
I would step back, and play healer and DPS until you learn the dungeons. Even then, you should stick with the "old" ones (non DLC). You are getting kicked because you don't know the job. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant if you are new to all this. Just realize it and learn the job. When you know the job, then give it another shot.
Hmm I'll be honest I'm.not the most experienced I my groups but run with very experienced people who tell me what when where, so the tank doesn't need to be the most experience as long as he follows instructions, op needs to get in a good guild and get some guild mates to help him , I'm sure with some direction he will get it down and will enjoy tanking which to be honest I far enjoy more than dps and healing1 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »IndianaGeoff wrote: »But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have.
There's 2 taunts in the game. One from Sword n Shield line (the very first one), the other from the Undaunted line. It doesn't matter what your class is.
There are 4 taunts.
1. Puncture from One Hand and Shield.
2. Inner fire from Undaunted
3. Ice Staff Heavy Attack with the Tri-Focus passive
4. Tormentor set, 5 piece, procs on a charge ability.
Technically yes, but do you expect someone that hasn't figured out 1 and 2 yet to know about 3 or 4? K.I.S.S. Let's get these new tanks walking before running. The OP just "learned" a taunt so either he's not using sword n shield or just got to rank 3 in Undaunted, and the guy I quoted thinks classes have taunts. Evidently we need to start with the basics.Edited by Kodrac on April 30, 2018 2:24PM3 -
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✭My templar healers have no problem taunting bosses. Lol not too big of a deal on normal.on vet though tanking on my healer doesn't work very well. Ps I'm not using an ice staff. I know better.Edited by phileunderx2 on April 30, 2018 2:57PM1 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Still amazes me when some rocks up with an ice staff and wonder why the boss chases after them , I don't taunt the boss for a while just to reach them a lesson0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »IndianaGeoff wrote: »But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have.
There's 2 taunts in the game. One from Sword n Shield line (the very first one), the other from the Undaunted line. It doesn't matter what your class is.
There are 4 taunts.
1. Puncture from One Hand and Shield.
2. Inner fire from Undaunted
3. Ice Staff Heavy Attack with the Tri-Focus passive
4. Tormentor set, 5 piece, procs on a charge ability.
Technically yes, but do you expect someone that hasn't figured out 1 and 2 yet to know about 3 or 4? K.I.S.S. Let's get these new tanks walking before running. The OP just "learned" a taunt so either he's not using sword n shield or just got to rank 3 in Undaunted, and the guy I quoted thinks classes have taunts. Evidently we need to start with the basics.
I appreciate your intention, but I see far too many DPS and healers accidentally taunting with ice staffs because they didn't read the Tri-Focus passive to be okay with letting someone have the false impression that there are only two taunts in the game.
A better version would be "There are two useful taunts in the game" since ice staff is only situationally useful on certain builds and Tormentor is rarely used.3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »IndianaGeoff wrote: »But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have.
There's 2 taunts in the game. One from Sword n Shield line (the very first one), the other from the Undaunted line. It doesn't matter what your class is.
There are 4 taunts.
1. Puncture from One Hand and Shield.
2. Inner fire from Undaunted
3. Ice Staff Heavy Attack with the Tri-Focus passive
4. Tormentor set, 5 piece, procs on a charge ability.
Technically yes, but do you expect someone that hasn't figured out 1 and 2 yet to know about 3 or 4? K.I.S.S. Let's get these new tanks walking before running. The OP just "learned" a taunt so either he's not using sword n shield or just got to rank 3 in Undaunted, and the guy I quoted thinks classes have taunts. Evidently we need to start with the basics.
I appreciate your intention, but I see far too many DPS and healers accidentally taunting with ice staffs because they didn't read the Tri-Focus passive to be okay with letting someone have the false impression that there are only two taunts in the game.
A better version would be "There are two useful taunts in the game" since ice staff is only situationally useful on certain builds and Tormentor is rarely used.
Also the reason I'll still, flat out, say that "ice staves should not be used under any circumstances" when asked, even though it's not entirely true, and I even keep a few oddball ice staves in my bank.0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »IndianaGeoff wrote: »But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have.
There's 2 taunts in the game. One from Sword n Shield line (the very first one), the other from the Undaunted line. It doesn't matter what your class is.
There are 4 taunts.
1. Puncture from One Hand and Shield.
2. Inner fire from Undaunted
3. Ice Staff Heavy Attack with the Tri-Focus passive
4. Tormentor set, 5 piece, procs on a charge ability.
Technically yes, but do you expect someone that hasn't figured out 1 and 2 yet to know about 3 or 4? K.I.S.S. Let's get these new tanks walking before running. The OP just "learned" a taunt so either he's not using sword n shield or just got to rank 3 in Undaunted, and the guy I quoted thinks classes have taunts. Evidently we need to start with the basics.
I appreciate your intention, but I see far too many DPS and healers accidentally taunting with ice staffs because they didn't read the Tri-Focus passive to be okay with letting someone have the false impression that there are only two taunts in the game.
A better version would be "There are two useful taunts in the game" since ice staff is only situationally useful on certain builds and Tormentor is rarely used.
Also the reason I'll still, flat out, say that "ice staves should not be used under any circumstances" when asked, even though it's not entirely true, and I even keep a few oddball ice staves in my bank.
Yep, worst thing they did to ice staves was attempt to make them a tanking weapon.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »IndianaGeoff wrote: »But I learned that Templar's just don't have the taunt tools others have.
There's 2 taunts in the game. One from Sword n Shield line (the very first one), the other from the Undaunted line. It doesn't matter what your class is.
There are 4 taunts.
1. Puncture from One Hand and Shield.
2. Inner fire from Undaunted
3. Ice Staff Heavy Attack with the Tri-Focus passive
4. Tormentor set, 5 piece, procs on a charge ability.
Technically yes, but do you expect someone that hasn't figured out 1 and 2 yet to know about 3 or 4? K.I.S.S. Let's get these new tanks walking before running. The OP just "learned" a taunt so either he's not using sword n shield or just got to rank 3 in Undaunted, and the guy I quoted thinks classes have taunts. Evidently we need to start with the basics.
I appreciate your intention, but I see far too many DPS and healers accidentally taunting with ice staffs because they didn't read the Tri-Focus passive to be okay with letting someone have the false impression that there are only two taunts in the game.
A better version would be "There are two useful taunts in the game" since ice staff is only situationally useful on certain builds and Tormentor is rarely used.
Also the reason I'll still, flat out, say that "ice staves should not be used under any circumstances" when asked, even though it's not entirely true, and I even keep a few oddball ice staves in my bank.
Yep, worst thing they did to ice staves was attempt to make them a tanking weapon.
No. The worst thing they did with frost staves was put the taunt on the heavy attack. Give it to us on one of the active abilities and it might have been workable.3 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »What are you getting kicked out for?
Have the rage muppets in group finder ever given constructive feedback?
A tank getting kicked is almost always tanks fault. Only exception is when tank want to kick trash DD and get kicked by nubs. Tank take forever to find, groups now tend to suck up with a not even mediocre tank.0 -
IndianaGeoff✭✭✭There are 4 taunts.
1. Puncture from One Hand and Shield.
2. Inner fire from Undaunted
3. Ice Staff Heavy Attack with the Tri-Focus passive
4. Tormentor set, 5 piece, procs on a charge ability.
Technically yes, but do you expect someone that hasn't figured out 1 and 2 yet to know about 3 or 4? K.I.S.S. Let's get these new tanks walking before running. The OP just "learned" a taunt so either he's not using sword n shield or just got to rank 3 in Undaunted, and the guy I quoted thinks classes have taunts. Evidently we need to start with the basics. [/quote]
They guy you quoted said "taunt tools" things like chains that can pull mobs to you and class based damage shields. Yes, everyone has access to the SnS and Undaunted taunt. But all classes do not have they number of tools the best tankers have and it is unreasonable to expect a new tank (esp one that is kicked often) to have the gearing to work around it. Tanking is about more than throwing out the occasional single target taunt.0 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »What are you getting kicked out for?
Have the rage muppets in group finder ever given constructive feedback?
A tank getting kicked is almost always tanks fault. Only exception is when tank want to kick trash DD and get kicked by nubs. Tank take forever to find, groups now tend to suck up with a not even mediocre tank.
Tend to have to agree with this ,I'm trying to get undaulted on my toons so spec then as tanks as it's easier to get a group but I sort of know what I'm doing, but some of the pugs do amaze me and not in a good way , I hate to say it that I have left a few groups as I couldn't be bothered to even carry on with then0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I had a friendly random group for Normal COA2 yesterday. We just melted everything except the second to last boss. I kept dying to the second to last boss despite being the tank. Just so many red circles. I probably need to Google what I should have been doing to get out of the second group of red circles. No one really cared though. Everyone wiped the first two times, then it was mostly just me dying and getting rezzed.
Perhaps I was also given slack because it looked like I know what I was doing elsewhere in the dungeon. People seem happy in normal dungeons if I consistently chain and talon trash mobs. The time saved there probably covered the wasted time from my sad performance on that one boss.0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IndianaGeoff wrote: »They guy you quoted said "taunt tools" things like chains that can pull mobs to you and class based damage shields. Yes, everyone has access to the SnS and Undaunted taunt. But all classes do not have they number of tools the best tankers have and it is unreasonable to expect a new tank (esp one that is kicked often) to have the gearing to work around it. Tanking is about more than throwing out the occasional single target taunt.
Well now you're getting into "only DKs can tank" territory. Which is completely false. We don't need to be giving new tanks the wrong impression.0 -
grumlins✭✭✭I've noticed many a group that hate the trinity it's really sad especially when they fail dungeons so many times in a row and then I ask, can someone heal I'll tank, and they all look at me like I have three heads or something!
Trinity works folks, I know you just want to mindlessly kill everything but it's actually quite fun and it's successful!1 -
polar✭✭✭So, here is a question- are you sure you are THE tank and not just A tank? I have kicked folks before that join a dungeon and start tanking when they didn't realize that was not their role. They came in as a DPS. I am a tank... I tank anything and everything and I regularly get folks who decide they want to be a tank (not realizing that it is a role in a group, not just a build) and then start taunting the mobs that I am trying to control. That will get an insta-kick.
In fact, I run the "if you aggro it, you tank it" moto in content where someone decides to run in before me. They decide to head in before the tank, I am going to let them die. If I see them run in and taunt (puncture, heavy attack with ice staff) then they are kicked- unless they are the designated tank.
Now, if it is just that they are learning to tank and they came in as THE tank, then I will help them learn to tank.. I always take the opportunity to do DPS rather than tank when available.1 -
richie1961✭✭My cp is 290. I have a nord dragonknight 2 handed greatsword. I use the pierce taunt and if given enough time I have success. Just need a chance and I will win0 -
kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Two-handed doesn't go with the pierce armor taunt. Unless you have sword+shield on another bar, there's your answer. You weren't tanking in any real way. I see this fairly often but mostly from people much much newer to the game than you.0 -
richie1961✭✭Sorry for taking so long to respond. I didn't realize so many people would respond. I am fairly new to the game. But I have been playing for about 2 years off and on. As for dungeons I have 6 or so complete. About 3 of those are vet dungeons. Usually I just keep going back after I get kicked. Sometimes I think people just kick you cuz your inexperienced. Dunno? Anyway thanks for the advice.1
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Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭richie1961 wrote: »OK I am not the greatest tank of all time. But I am trying the Undaunted quests, and I have to try to win. I have a taunt that I just learned about. But 4 out of 5 dungeons I try, I get voted out. I tried going as just a damage type with no luck. No takers. I was wondering if anyone wants to try it out with me as a tank and no giving up till we win. My user @richie1961. Hit me up
@richie1961
Please don't take this the wrong way- but you're CP290 and you just discovered a taunt? I'm guessing you were a PVPer? It's okay, though, we'll catch you up to speed.
#1. You need to have Sword and Shield equipped at all times. If you're this fresh to tanking- don't swap to your greatsword on your backbar during the fight. Trust me. You'll quickly forget about tanking and then focus on DPS. That's not good. Wait until you're more comfortable with tanking and then you can add DPS in between taunting.
#2. Make sure you're wearing heavy armor. Yes- tanking can be done in light or medium... but again- if you're this new to tanking- you'll want to focus on survivability.
#3. Keep your taunt constantly up and the boss's back to your group.
#4. Maybe try doing the Undaunted quests on normal mode before going into veteran mode. (especially DLC)
Let us know what gear you're wearing and we can provide some helpful feedback.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭✭✭richie1961 wrote: »
I'll send you a whisper in game in a second if you're on. I'll give you some pointers.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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