Prosperous Trait

carljokl · April 2018

I don't think I have ever crafted with except to use for research.

Does anyone actually use Prosperous gear?

It struck me that the amount of gold dropped by enemies it a trivial amount. Boosting this trivial amount by another trivial percent is not going to achieve a lot.

The most profitable endeavours seem to involve selling rare items with traders.
Even in day to day terms, selling ornate drops and quest rewards probably account for a higher percentage of income than enemy gold drops.

I wonder if prosperous would be more useful if it boosted all kinds of collection. Percentage increase of extra items from resource nodes. Improved percentage change for rare drops when harvesting or using chests etc. Then it might be a useful trait to use in gear for harvesting. As it stands I don't know if anyone would use it.

Turelus · April 2018

Prosperous was removed and changed to Invigorating.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Invigorating

Garnets, the most useless armour gems in Tamriel.

carljokl · April 2018

Perhaps the fact the trait changed and I hadn't even noticed is telling in itself.

Turelus · April 2018

carljokl wrote: »

Perhaps the fact the trait changed and I hadn't even noticed is telling in itself.

Yup. Sadly the Garnet seems to forever be that trait which just isn't good enough to be considered in any situations.

carljokl · April 2018

The regeneration on Invigorating is still arguably more useful that increasing the trivial gold drops by a trivial amount. Still it is argued that a Mundus Stone trait plus divines can achieve greater regeneration. That said Invigorating is tri-stat where a Mundus stone is just one.

Mostly people would use an enchantment (individual or tri-stat) and Infused. Still this increases the resource pool and not the regeneration.

On paper it might be useful and certainly better than no trait at all.

Mic1007 · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Garnets, the most useless armour gems in Tamriel.

#PrayForGarnets

Feric51 · April 2018

carljokl wrote: »

... certainly better than no trait at all.

And that, my friend, summarizes the usefulness of Invigorating.

Oh, and the need to research it to craft 9-trait sets.

I'll get back to you when I think of something else...

Sordidfairytale · April 2018

I recall when the Prosperous Build was all the rage:

https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/prosperous-build/

carljokl · April 2018

This article for the build is parody though right?

carljokl · April 2018

Feric51 wrote: »

carljokl wrote: »

... certainly better than no trait at all.

And that, my friend, summarizes the usefulness of Invigorating.

Oh, and the need to research it to craft 9-trait sets.

I'll get back to you when I think of something else...

I would still classify invigorating as more useful than Sturdy. I don't know how many people need a set just to limit how much stamina blocking costs.

I also thought one of the traits reduced the rate at which armour took damage and needed to be repaired. From other articles about Prosperous it mentions Impenetrable saving more money on repairs than Prosperous generated in extra income. I thought Impenetrable was just protection against weapon critical and only really useful in PvP? That on the basis that I don't think critical damage is an issue in PvE but then things in the game change such that this might not be true anymore.

That would raise question as to what is more valuable in PvP? Boosted enchantment with Infused? Boosted Mundus with Divines or protection against critical from all them dagger ganking Nightblades with Impenetrable? Still I am not aware of anyone using Invigorating in PvP.

Reorx_Holybeard · April 2018

carljokl wrote: »

Feric51 wrote: »

carljokl wrote: »

... certainly better than no trait at all.

And that, my friend, summarizes the usefulness of Invigorating.

Oh, and the need to research it to craft 9-trait sets.

I'll get back to you when I think of something else...

I would still classify invigorating as more useful than Sturdy. I don't know how many people need a set just to limit how much stamina blocking costs.

I also thought one of the traits reduced the rate at which armour took damage and needed to be repaired. From other articles about Prosperous it mentions Impenetrable saving more money on repairs than Prosperous generated in extra income. I thought Impenetrable was just protection against weapon critical and only really useful in PvP? That on the basis that I don't think critical damage is an issue in PvE but then things in the game change such that this might not be true anymore.

That would raise question as to what is more valuable in PvP? Boosted enchantment with Infused? Boosted Mundus with Divines or protection against critical from all them dagger ganking Nightblades with Impenetrable? Still I am not aware of anyone using Invigorating in PvP.

When Prosperous changed to Invigorating they changed Impenetrable to add the reduction in durability damage damage. That makes the Impenetrable trait at least slightly useful in PVE.

As for sturdy, it is very useful for your typical perma-blocking tank. Consider my old tank build:

Block Cost = 550 Stamina
Block Cost + Sturdy x 7 = 380 Stamina

So only 170 Stamina difference....except block cost can be deducted every 0.25 secs which is the equivalent of 1360 Stamina Recovery. Not only are you going to not going to get anything close to that with Invigorating you can't regen Stamina while blocking anyways.

Eben on a none tank build the effect of sturdy can be significant:

Block Cost = 1760 Stamina
Block Cost + Sturdy x 1 = 1689 Stamina
Block Cost + Sturdy x 7 = 1276 Stamina

Probably not too useful in a PVE build but for a PVP build it is not uncommon to throw a couple of sturdy pieces in there.

Crafts_Many_Boxes · April 2018

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

I recall when the Prosperous Build was all the rage:

https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/prosperous-build/

Regardless of what anyone says, prosperous WAS very useful for farming. It's funny, part of me thinks that the whole "impenetrable gets you more gold in the long run" argument was just propaganda started by the few players who were making crazy bank running prosperous.

No, prosperous wouldn't make you gold if you just ran around indiscriminately killing zone mobs. That's basically what all that "math" was based on. The "shocking find" was that only killing animals and other mobs that drop little or no gold wasn't profitable with gold gain boosting equipment. Shocking, simply shocking.

BUT, if you focused your farming efforts on areas with high densities of humanoids / imperial mobs, that prosperous bonus really started to yield results. A full set of prosperous gear golded out is 150% gold drops. In certain areas, you could make anywhere from 50,000 to 80,000 gold an hour just by running around killing these specific mobs. Was it boring? Yes, but it was very consistent, and a lot of players enjoyed it more than speculating on motif drops or flipping items in guild stores.

Twohothardware · April 2018

They should of just buffed Prosperous and made it so it not only increased gold dropped on enemies but gold for completing quests, dailies, etc. The new Invigorating trait is even worse than Prosperous because there's literally not a single reason to use it.

DoctorESO · April 2018

carljokl wrote: »

I don't think I have ever crafted with except to use for research.

Does anyone actually use Prosperous gear?

It struck me that the amount of gold dropped by enemies it a trivial amount. Boosting this trivial amount by another trivial percent is not going to achieve a lot.

The most profitable endeavours seem to involve selling rare items with traders.
Even in day to day terms, selling ornate drops and quest rewards probably account for a higher percentage of income than enemy gold drops.

I wonder if prosperous would be more useful if it boosted all kinds of collection. Percentage increase of extra items from resource nodes. Improved percentage change for rare drops when harvesting or using chests etc. Then it might be a useful trait to use in gear for harvesting. As it stands I don't know if anyone would use it.

Prosperous has been removed.

Stinkyremy · April 2018

Pretty crappy that i made a full set of purple prosperous 160 gear on a stam dps to run around and gain gold in pub dungeons just for them to change the trait a few months later making my gear useless.
I had to decon it.