Got this gem in groupfinder today(note the chat).




It was vet CoA 2 and I had to go full healer mode for us to finish Ash Titan(~10 mins fight, heroically heavy attack everything including atros to death) and then just kick them and invite a friend on Skoria because there was absolutely no way we were doing it with them(aside from me and Twilight soloing but I didn't quite feel like that).

In their defence, they were only about 190 cp, and 2 other people were 300-400. In not their defence, they did consciously queue for a healer(and they couldn't dps either so not just a standard fake one)...without even having THE healing weapon in their inventory.

Edit: edited to remove all names

ive been doing plenty of pvp and vmsa so didn't do many pug's but once when the dlc drops lol ohh the pain it will be intense lol

Niobium wrote: »

Two threads and two necro's! I know necro is being talked about as a class and all.. lol

This thread may not be new but it still holds its point. Plus, most recent post before mine was only about a month ago So no, not really a necro.

Anytime I wander around IC with one of my tanks (I have five—they’re all I play):

Pewpewpew
*Looks around at 1-2 gnats buging me
They go away
Hate tells ensue
“Get some damage, loser!”
Inevitably they return, with friends
So I drag them into a boss fight and wipe the group
Then I politely respond with: “There, some damage.”

This relative scene literally happened twice this week already.

Being a healer in a pug for vet dungeons is a 90-10% chance of getting a bad vs good group. When it’s bad, it’s god awful but when you get a good group, it’s fantastic. I pugged vROM as a healer all max cp it was delightful. Everyone knew what they were doing, damage was amazing, tank was incredible.

Then I got the dungeon again with another pug. It went terribly. We were on chudan and they didn’t understand that you have to take down the shield thing that shoots lightning at you. So, we die and we die and we die. People loved to blame me the healer, despite them insta dying with about 12k health each. I offered them food they declined, I told them they need more health, cp 200 told me to shut the f up. Lol. Delightful! Anyhow, we kicked them and we decided to do a different vet together and we stayed as a team for a couple of hours having some successful dungeon experiences. So overall not that bad.

Also edit: you’re awesome op! Thank you for being positive in the game, there is so much negativity and so many people love to blame others instead of themselves. You’re the best.

Magdalina wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Anytime I wander around IC with one of my tanks (I have five—they’re all I play):

Pewpewpew
*Looks around at 1-2 gnats buging me
They go away
Hate tells ensue
“Get some damage, loser!”
Inevitably they return, with friends
So I drag them into a boss fight and wipe the group
Then I politely respond with: “There, some damage.”

This relative scene literally happened twice this week already.

There are very few things in this game that compare to the joy of siccing IC bosses on outnumbering enemies It works especially good on blazing shield tank. I swear I nearly fell of my chair laughing a few times when we literally did a full run of whole district(special thank you to ZOS for giving IC bosses gigantic reset distance, and no it's not sarcastic) with me, flame ogrim boss and about 5 AD...
AD: HA found ya! *gank* ( a blazeplar. So bright)
Me: Yay!
Ogrim boss behind my back: *giant fiery attack*
AD: *dies*
AD's 4 friends: ........
Me: *happily runs after AD's friends*
Ogrim boss: *happily runs after me*
AD: OH &*%(@ *run away across all the district with me and boss chasing them*

The most juicy part of that combo is boss' attacks proc my blazing shield even if they don't attack me. So anyone jumping me is gonna get both boss' attack and my blazing's explosion. I swear I laughed myself to tears that time XD

I was, of course, on my 65k health Blazplar They are the safest way to travel in IC, by far.

Magdalina wrote: »

Niobium wrote: »

Two threads and two necro's! I know necro is being talked about as a class and all.. lol

This thread may not be new but it still holds its point. Plus, most recent post before mine was only about a month ago So no, not really a necro.

Who are you? I was referencing the OP date to today.

This thread gets resurrected more times than a DPS who stands in lava.

Tried running vRoM yesterday and we had an.. interesting tank.

We skipped all the early adds just fine, first boss went down a little slow but no deaths. Tank is running 2H and S&B which is interesting but ok as long as its working.

Then Chudan comes, the tank keeps aggro until the shield mechanic occurs. After the charge the tank just acts like Chudan isn't there and just attacks one add. So Chudan aggroes me (the healer) for a while until I finally run out of resources to keep myself alive. Group then wipes.

Again and again it happens that way, no matter how many times I tell the tank to taunt Chudan back he just doesn't.

With lowish DPS and a terrible tank I just quit.

Yip - its really awful.

It puts me off big time. Last night we started running vROM

When we were standing at the entrance the tank was already looking at the stats and didn't move.

We were all CP200-720.

At the very first mob (which he didn't even participate in) he says.

"No DPS" And quits.

Because I was a DD on the team it was very disheartening.

Get told I don't have the right gear or setup, and when I tell folks thats what I am trying to get running the dungeons, I'm told @#$ L2P.

So much angst.

Then they go into a long rant about how wrong my build is, and how if you not running A,B,C exactly you don't deserve to be running vet dungeons.

Cookie-cutter dungeons. Yay!

.. meantime I have 4x 60 piece chests in my house filled to the brim with vet/ trial dungeon gear.. but it must all be the twilight zone I am living in, because in literally 100s of dungeons I MUST have been carried by these Gods of the Arena...

Just today I got Blood Spawn, Grothdarr, 2x Infernal Guardian, Tremorscale & 2 Skoira helms while ring hunting... Man I must sux really awful.

I tend to run Random Normals on my DPS queued as a tank. Easier finding a group, quick way of leveling skills and skill trees without camping on dolmens, and it burns enlightenment. My DPS can easily hold their own as Tank in all normal dungeons. I main a DK Tank for VHM DLC pledges.

Queued on my MagSorc with inner rage.
"oh god, you have got to be kidding me, Rage rage rage rage rage.
Port in. Last boss BRF. "After you 'tank' ".
Proceed to tank the boss, like a well, boss. Boss burns first time in a matter of seconds. Moment the Amalgamation multiplies, they died before they stand up.
Turns out the previous tank was using chains thinking that was a taunt.
Apologies from all members of the party for assuming a DPS didn't know how to tank.
I asked if anyone had any blood drinker or flame blossom (experimenting at the moment). They all proceed to empty their bag off the sets because "I am a real tank". Advised them I understood and thanked for the group.

Same day, queued on my stamsorc, BRF.
Rage from the DPS. No death run. Apologies from people who raged.

Next day; Queued on my Stamsorc with snb back front bar, bow back bar.
"Oh gods, a 17K health tank, not another one"
Ask, what boss they are at. First boss. Previous boss was was blaming healer for always dying. Asked what the DPS was like. the DPS doing all the rage advised he did 30K, but was unsure on the other DPS. None of them had done the dungeon before.
Port in. Boss burns in an instant. DPS apologises for negativity. Told them any class can tank on normal as long as you know what you're doing. Second boss burns, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and final boss. No deaths. Final boss didn't even make it to portal phase.

Find a lot of negativity comes from a few things:
1. DPS blaming Tank for not being able to hold all the adds.
Tank roll is to find the biggest, baddest sum *** in the room and lock him down.The tank does not deal with Trash. Trash should melt straight away by DPS AOE and not even make it to Damage range. Tank chains in archers and mages where required. DPS also should be responsible for interrupts at range. Crushing shock can save lives. Faster travel time than invasion.

2. DPS Blaming healer for not keeping them alive.
Healers are responsible for keeping Tank alive first, DPS second. Every class has some form of self heals. Slot it. The best healers spend less time healing, more time buffing the group and providing resources. Not to mention too many DPS stand behind the healer.. If you're not between the healer and the tank, you're not getting healed.

3. Tanks blaming DPS who use frost staves and heavy attack.
This one is justified. If you use a frost staff, have taken Tri Focus passives, and refuse to HA on the other bar, you are getting chewed out.

Honestly, I get some of the hatred from DPS towards DPS Tanks.. I have DPSed with too many "tanks" that don't know what they are doing and just refuse to listen to advise from experienced tanks. Just come on guys, just cos you see a low health dps queued as tank, does not mean they were looking for quick find, they are prob a real good tank (like myself) looking for a quick find, and at the same time helping you by not making you wait for 6 hours.

On the other hand pugging vet Direfrost Keep on stamblade believing I queued on normal as needed quest and rotation is weak. Understood I was not in normal then last boss had 5M health.
Non death run

ForsakenSin wrote: »

So i would like to share something that happen few days ago

So there i was qued up for VWGT as DPS , after the 3rd boss somebody left and we had this 3 people a Argonian temp healer cp 180, tank 460, and a DPS cp 300 or so.

Due to people not having mic we got killed few times and then that is when it started the leader was cp 300 and he wanted to kick out the healer to which i declined and after 2 times we got killed we got on the mic and managed to finish it, we got to the last boss and things just went down hill, the Cp 300 dps was a leader every time he died and 80% of times he was first to go down kept on saying ohh great i died again , healer didn't do his job again , tank is not doing what he is supposed to do ohh we died again look at that ... why do i bother playing, i hate this i hate that over and over and over again when its his fault as he is getting killed and we try to ress him we get killed because of him .... it gets to you

Now after 40 min of trying to finish the boss and hearing all the negativity ALL the time like and i mean ALL THE TIME , it came to the point where the tank had to go and it was 3 of us , the cp 300 tried to kick the temp many times and they started fighting via text

Cp 300 kept on trying to kick the healer to which i declined, i asked the CP 300 the leader ... get us in que so we can get a new player... cps 300 said " not until we get rid of this !@#$ healer until he is gone im not going to que us in ... i can wait here all night i don't care and you can #$%# off as well if you don't kick him out i don't care i can wait " and i heard TV going on in the background .... i whisper that to the temp ... the temp said "its ok buddy i will go so you can finish this ".."i replied back i don't need to finish it i got close every monster mask i need but you dont" .. so there we were waiting for 10 min .. and still listening to cp 300 been negative and blaming others and healer... so ive done something i didn't do in a very very long time... i voted to kick him off and we did..

after few min later we got people joining and leaving we got 1 DPS after 15 min the same guy CP 300 joined !!.... and it was like nope ,no i can't deal with his negativity again so i kicked him out again and another DPS joined and we finished it like a hot knife thought butter.

After all this i spoken to templer and he was happy he got to finish the VWGT for the first time as he was only playing for a month and a bit , i gave him some pointers and crafted him full julianos set in light purple and made him destro and resto all in Hollowjack Motif staff no charge , LOL never seen/ heard somebody so happy in my life.

My question is has anybody else came across negative people that just do your head in?

A guild mate asked me to join a falkreath group at last boss. Other dps didn't have ballista and tank didn't have war horn. It took a while too Bc it was like 2 am and everyone was tired. He kept talking bad about everyone. It got done and he said its sucks waiting and watching "monkeys" die over and over. I told him that was uncalled for and we didn't appreciate him calling us all "monkeys" to which he asked "what do you prefer? Baboons?! Apes?!" All I could say was "interesting" I used to like this guy and was just kinda shocked. I had beaten it many times before and was doing him a favor. I was kinda sad about how mean he was to the other two and how mean he was to me for being tired and missing a few shouts. Absolutely disappointed in his behavior to say the least.

I think there are many reasons to explain all these stories:

• People do not know the mechanics. This is particularly true for DLC content, which is unforgiving. I do understand in Normal it is hard to learn them because they are less lethal and because usually people are overpowered and the fight lasts few seconds. Check guides and videos.
• People play stupid. Red circles are bad. Standing in front of a boss that does cleave is stupid. You can now change the color and intensity of the AoEs.
• People think they are the best. Really, I see hordes of people taking literally5 minutes to clear the first trash mobs in Wayrest Sewers 2. Maybe you like it that way. Maybe you have plenty of free time in your life. But that should ring the bell: that content is beyond you. Similarly, if as a tank you lose half of your health for a whatever hit, you are doing something wrong.
• People think CP is a good measure of the goodness of players. Bulls**t. That only means you have 720 champion points to distribute. It doesn't even guarantee you they are properly distributed. It says nothing about build, sets, knowledge, skill.
• It's a game, you should have fun. Related to the first point above, we usually have people raging and calling other names. MOL Twins anyone? vAA axes? vHR right boss? If you are not happy, just quit. Calling names does not help.
• People play normal content and kick low levels. This is clearly a design flaw. A big one. Normal dungeons are meant to learn the game. What's the point of having a 720 clearing everything in few minutes, running ahead from boss to boss, not allowing people to see the mechanics, learn their role and not doing the quests? Daily random bonus, free gifs, improve items... ZOS has made it all to screw up this.
• People queuing up as all roles. That's cancer. The more you allows this, the more it will continue and you are responsible for this situation. How good does it feel to have a real healer and tank? Not all DPS can pull 35K, so yea, you need a tank and a healer.
• People are simply jer*s. If every three words one is f*ck, maybe it's time to leave the group/trial.
• People do not understand the context. Talking is nice, but maybe during the last boss fight in a veteran trial you should use it to coordinate with the team, rather than to tell others about your pet or travels, laughing at your 30th death.

I do not like dramas. I usually leave a group immediately, if I am not happy with a group:

• If it takes too much to kill the first trash mobs (when I heal or tank).
• If its a pledge and the group is half way (not at the beginning or at the last boss).
• If it's a "2" or DLC and the whole group is made of CP300 or below.
• If someone runs ahead like stupid and yells at others what to do.

What is the point of wasting a hour in CoA2 or Direfrost just to find out the group cannot handle the last boss? You can see it immediately if the group has the firepower to do it or not.

been through a lot too

the last thing where I was like wtf was Scalecaller Peak where we ended up with a low level Warden that queued as a tank with no armor and bow. he dies all the time, didnt taunt, didnt do anything but lotus and light attacks...

we were asking him what he was doing he never replied at all, never said anything...

I was doing nAS the other day with a pug group as always. To be honest it's much more fun to do nAS with randoms since it's not a complete faceroll that way. Anyway...

We reached Saint Olms the Just and one guy was screaming something like 'DON'T YOU !@&#^ PEOPLE EVER READ THE MECHANICS?!'.
Now don't get me wrong people were dying left and right but that's something you expect in that trial especially since most of the people were there for the first time.
The guy was spamming bow light attack with an occasional Poison Arrow here and there, he completely ignored the spheres that gave boss invulnerability - yes I did have my eye on him the whole time.
Needless to say he was the first one to yell out 'REZ ME FFS' when he died, and boy he died a LOT...Of course it was the healers/tanks fault each time he died.

Why do people do this? You're not that great, just do the thing and keep your mouth shut, maybe you'll do more dps if you don't write toxic stuff in chat and do damage instead...