Inspect option

terrannova · April 2018

I've been playin this game for a little while now with breaks and so on and i never hear anyone talking about inspecting other players.There were many times i saw people wearing good looking stuff or even times that i want to check out what my group member (other dps) has equipped without asking.

I would like to know if anyone has heard any plans from zos about implementing such a feature cause its a shame that a game like this doesnt have one. You get so many different customizable stuff like different motifs that cover up the default armor skins or armor that is cool looking and most of the time out of curiosity or jealousy you just want to check it out. Its a small feature but i think it would make some people's life easier.

I hope they are going to do something about this soon.

thanks

EDIT
It was never intented to mainly focus about the other person's gear. There are countless builds online about any class and so much different stuff.I dont care about it that much. I was mainly referring so that i can see the different combinations of motifs people use on their gear. They look different and i dont know what they are.
Everybody is so focused about the gear stuff and everything, i get that it will end in a bad way.

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

dennissomb16_ESO · April 2018

It has been discussed on forums before but I do not believe ZOS has ever commented on it. It is one of those topics that will bring out the yes and no crowd. Guessing if you did a poll it would pretty much be 50/50

terrannova · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

i agree but u cant do it all the time, or even at someone who is afk in a big city.
U see something u like, press inspect and u leave.

Anotherone773 · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

This. Giving players the ability to inspect you will only fuel the more than abundant elitism plaguing group content. We need less of that not more.

Gythral · April 2018

No
just plain no

terrannova · April 2018

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

It has been discussed on forums before but I do not believe ZOS has ever commented on it. It is one of those topics that will bring out the yes and no crowd. Guessing if you did a poll it would pretty much be 50/50

yea i can imagine. Its not a MUST but it would be nice to see

Aebaradath · April 2018

Only if it's opt-in. I'll show 'em what I'm wearing...

Turelus · April 2018

As others have said it's come up before and it's a split on those who would like it and those who don't.

In organised guilds etc. it doesn't have much use because you can just ask and discuss sets etc, looks are not based on gear (mostly via outfit system now) so seeing what gear someone has for looks doesn't work.

If the system was added all I think it would achieve is giving the "think they are good" elitists more reasons to annoy people who don't match their standards in PUG's.

terrannova · April 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

This. Giving players the ability to inspect you will only fuel the more than abundant elitism plaguing group content. We need less of that not more.

the only downside i can see from it yes

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

i agree but u cant do it all the time, or even at someone who is afk in a big city.
U see something u like, press inspect and u leave.

Oh well.

I disliked this option in other games and I do not want it.

ETA: If it's optional, that's fine but it was abused mercilessly in past games.

terrannova · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

i agree but u cant do it all the time, or even at someone who is afk in a big city.
U see something u like, press inspect and u leave.

Oh well.

I disliked this option in other games and I do not want it.

i see.Well in my mind sounded usefull but i can see everyone commenting otherwise here. So i guess not

elantaura · April 2018

I'm against it personally, there's this little thing called asking you can type it in group, whisper it get on a mic. I mean in an mmo you want people to communicate right? There's a nice conversation starter. I.e a stranger walks up and says that awesome I really like it where did you get that top? There's a conversation or take 2 stranger walks up and says aren't your white Elle machpheson lacy rose underwear itchy while your just in tracksuit at supermarket and that's - OMG call the police kind of intro. There too many stalky lurker things in this world I'd like a break from in a game myself.
Besides I don't like anyone knowing I'm wielding an enchanted nirnhoned broom. it would just make newer players jealous

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

i agree but u cant do it all the time, or even at someone who is afk in a big city.
U see something u like, press inspect and u leave.

Oh well.

I disliked this option in other games and I do not want it.

i see.Well in my mind sounded usefull but i can see everyone commenting otherwise here. So i guess not

I think it is because it ends up causing friction because some folks place too much weight upon "FoTM" equipment.

terrannova · April 2018

elantaura wrote: »

I'm against it personally, there's this little thing called asking you can type it in group, whisper it get on a mic. I mean in an mmo you want people to communicate right? There's a nice conversation starter. I.e a stranger walks up and says that awesome I really like it where did you get that top? There's a conversation or take 2 stranger walks up and says aren't your white Elle machpheson lacy rose underwear itchy while your just in tracksuit at supermarket and that's - OMG call the police kind of intro. There too many stalky lurker things in this world I'd like a break from in a game myself.
Besides I don't like anyone knowing I'm wielding an enchanted nirnhoned broom. it would just make newer players jealous

well i dont want to sound aggressive or anything but i dont expect communication starters in a game about my gear , also some people may find it irritating or may be annoyed. I asked a person the other day about his gear and he answered with just one word describing the 1/3 of it. I mean its not a confidential paper we are talking about... i can find tenths of different gear combinations of build guides online. anyways i can see none of the people here commenting wanting it so i guess its a bad idea for most

terrannova · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

i agree but u cant do it all the time, or even at someone who is afk in a big city.
U see something u like, press inspect and u leave.

Oh well.

I disliked this option in other games and I do not want it.

i see.Well in my mind sounded usefull but i can see everyone commenting otherwise here. So i guess not

I think it is because it ends up causing friction because some folks place too much weight upon "FoTM" equipment.

yea i get it now why people dont like it. like the guy commenting above. their top secrets are going to be leaked...

Gilvoth · April 2018

it leads to problems, and shaming people that aren't wearing what You think they should be wearing in armor and weapons.
it is rude and intruding, i hope it never happens.

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

i agree but u cant do it all the time, or even at someone who is afk in a big city.
U see something u like, press inspect and u leave.

Oh well.

I disliked this option in other games and I do not want it.

i see.Well in my mind sounded usefull but i can see everyone commenting otherwise here. So i guess not

I think it is because it ends up causing friction because some folks place too much weight upon "FoTM" equipment.

yea i get it now why people dont like it. like the guy commenting above. their top secrets are going to be leaked...

Top secrets? Sorry, don't get that bit. Point is folks use it to instantly decide against people who aren't wearing exactly what they think they should be. This has happened in EVERY game where inspect exists. It's just a tool that can be and often is used to dismiss people without actually giving them a go and that causes friction.

terrannova · April 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

it leads to problems, and shaming people that aren't wearing what You think they should be wearing in armor and weapons.
it is rude and intruding, i hope it never happens.

i can see this happening after a long time yes. its a shame it can lead to this. i thought of it as a helping tool for newer players and even casuals to look up to whats good and how its performing live, even what is good looking and for example how the worm cult motifs actually look like in game(even if there are videos showcasing it i know)

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

terrannova wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

it leads to problems, and shaming people that aren't wearing what You think they should be wearing in armor and weapons.
it is rude and intruding, i hope it never happens.

i can see this happening after a long time yes. its a shame it can lead to this. i thought of it as a helping tool for newer players and even casuals to look up to whats good and how its performing live, even what is good looking and for example how the worm cult motifs actually look like in game(even if there are videos showcasing it i know)

Well, as is so often said around here: Talk to them! Many, if not most, are happy to discuss this sort of thing provided you don't ask in mid-battle or something silly like that. Yeah, there will be some who don't care to discuss it but people like to brag and talk about themselves. Human nature.

terrannova · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

i agree but u cant do it all the time, or even at someone who is afk in a big city.
U see something u like, press inspect and u leave.

Oh well.

I disliked this option in other games and I do not want it.

i see.Well in my mind sounded usefull but i can see everyone commenting otherwise here. So i guess not

I think it is because it ends up causing friction because some folks place too much weight upon "FoTM" equipment.

yea i get it now why people dont like it. like the guy commenting above. their top secrets are going to be leaked...

Top secrets? Sorry, don't get that bit. Point is folks use it to instantly decide against people who aren't wearing exactly what they think they should be. This has happened in EVERY game where inspect exists. It's just a tool that can be and often is used to dismiss people without actually giving them a go and that causes friction.

hmmm that actually is, the most logical and meaningfull comment so far about it. even though i can understand that this as an idea could be really bad and no one wants it.Also i can see this post getting for the rest of the day negative comments lol

Reverb · April 2018

I do not support player inspection in ESO. In my experience, inspection makes a game community more toxic. I don't give 2 figs what any random thinks of my build. It works for me, and it works for my guild groups. It's a regular part of conversation with the few people who's opinion I value.

And I don't usually care about anybody else's build either. If neither my pve nor pvp guilds are doing anything, I run pug dungeons. A lot. Working with sub-optimal groups has made me a better, more adaptive player. And I'd like to think that I've helped others improve as well. The improvement seldom has anything to do with gear, but skill rotation, positioning, combat awareness, and mechanics. Things they would never get an opportunity to learn if they were kicked because of player inspection.

If you want to know what others are wearing or slotting, ask them. If you’re not willing to do that, maybe this isn’t the game for you.

Gilvoth · April 2018

human beings can get Very Nasty when provoked and in a crowd.
and if you aren't doing and wearing what they think is popular is one reason people hen pik certain people and it has even led people meeting to do violence in real life because of what was spoken in game.

terrannova · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

it leads to problems, and shaming people that aren't wearing what You think they should be wearing in armor and weapons.
it is rude and intruding, i hope it never happens.

i can see this happening after a long time yes. its a shame it can lead to this. i thought of it as a helping tool for newer players and even casuals to look up to whats good and how its performing live, even what is good looking and for example how the worm cult motifs actually look like in game(even if there are videos showcasing it i know)

Well, as is so often said around here: Talk to them! Many, if not most, are happy to discuss this sort of thing provided you don't ask in mid-battle or something silly like that. Yeah, there will be some who don't care to discuss it but people like to brag and talk about themselves. Human nature.

well my main issue was that if somebody is actually interested and open to tell me what he is using ,he also wouldnt mind me just checking it out without him even noticing. Also i cant always ask somebody about it, he might even be busy,afk ,or for some reason that has happened to me before the person answering with only 1 word. I cant keep chasing people or begging them to tell me what motif their chest is.
Also people misunderstood my motives. I dont meant it to be used mainly for gear, but for the so many different motif styles that are out there. But yea most of the comments here are bound to happen and i agree that this is a bad idea after all

Darkmage1337 · April 2018

There was an inspect option in Final Fantasy XI, the first cross-platform MMO (PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, and PC).
The inspection option/button was called "examine" in that game, and you could tab-target players/NPCs, etc. It was much easier to target things; whereas in ESO, you have to walk up next to that person and hold F and scroll through the wheel circle to find and click the option. Which is kind of tedious and user-unfriendly.

In FFXI, if someone examined you, it would show up in your chat-log with a message saying "Player-Name examined you." You could do /anonymous to hide your level, but people could still see the level of your equipped gear. In addition, FFXI had bazaars and bazaar comments, where you could sell stuff from your inventory (which people would see when they examined/inspected you) and bazaar comments were a way to advertise yourself (sort of like guild-note comments in ESO).

For ESO, I would support an optional "inspection feature" similar to that of duels, where you can accept/decline the request on the spot, or an option in game-play/social Settings to auto-decline "inspection requests" from other players. ZOS could even implement this feature further so that you could customize the settings, like people on your friends-list and/or people in your guild(s) can inspect you, but random players cannot; or, you know, whatever you choose to set the inspection option feature to do. It could be an option on the F-wheel or when you right-click a player's name in party/group, friends-list, or guild.

Inspection requests could be an in-game notification similar to that of friend-requests, guild-invite requests, duel invites, trial/leader-board notifications, and whatever else.
And if ZOS were ever to implement such a feature, it would take into account that player's outfit/costume and show you their real-gear as well as their cosmetic-style gear layered over it. Just like the Outfit System already does.

Just my thoughts. It would be a nice-to-have quality-of-life improvement/feature, but we are fine without it, too.

terrannova · April 2018

Reverb wrote: »

I do not support player inspection in ESO. In my experience, inspection makes a game community more toxic. I don't give 2 figs what any random thinks of my build. It works for me, and it works for my guild groups. It's a regular part of conversation with the few people who's opinion I value.

And I don't usually care about anybody else's build either. If neither my pve nor pvp guilds are doing anything, I run pug dungeons. A lot. Working with sub-optimal groups has made me a better, more adaptive player. And I'd like to think that I've helped others improve as well. The improvement seldom has anything to do with gear, but skill rotation, positioning, combat awareness, and mechanics. Things they would never get an opportunity to learn if they were kicked because of player inspection.

If you want to know what others are wearing or slotting, ask them. If you’re not willing to do that, maybe this isn’t the game for you.

yea i mean everyone here keeps commenting about the kind of gear being used ,so i guess it would only cause trouble and i can almost agree with what you are saying. I mostly would use it for the gear looks, but im sure it would lead to the dungeon critisism u are referring to at some point for sure.

I usually ask about the gear other people are using (even done so in pvp). People were almost always happy to help me out, so i guess if they are cool with saying so to a "stranger" it would be cool if it was in a feature. But my main goal was to find out what motifs and armor style the other player is using. I dont know sh*t about how anything looks and i cant just search in youtube how high elf or breton armor looks cause some people keep mixing things and they come out very good looking.

terrannova · April 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

human beings can get Very Nasty when provoked and in a crowd.
and if you aren't doing and wearing what they think is popular is one reason people hen pik certain people and it has even led people meeting to do violence in real life because of what was spoken in game.

everyone keeps going to the same point and i can clearly see now. Never thought of it like this and i completely agree now. maybe it isnt a good idea after all

Reverb · April 2018

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

it leads to problems, and shaming people that aren't wearing what You think they should be wearing in armor and weapons.
it is rude and intruding, i hope it never happens.

i can see this happening after a long time yes. its a shame it can lead to this. i thought of it as a helping tool for newer players and even casuals to look up to whats good and how its performing live, even what is good looking and for example how the worm cult motifs actually look like in game(even if there are videos showcasing it i know)

Well, as is so often said around here: Talk to them! Many, if not most, are happy to discuss this sort of thing provided you don't ask in mid-battle or something silly like that. Yeah, there will be some who don't care to discuss it but people like to brag and talk about themselves. Human nature.

well my main issue was that if somebody is actually interested and open to tell me what he is using ,he also wouldnt mind me just checking it out without him even noticing. Also i cant always ask somebody about it, he might even be busy,afk ,or for some reason that has happened to me before the person answering with only 1 word.

If someone random is just hanging around, possibly afk which you don’t know because you have no contact or interaction with them, why would you even care what they’re wearing?

Do you grab random people on the street to look at the tags on their clothing, just to satisfy your own curiosity?

terrannova · April 2018

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

There was an inspect option in Final Fantasy XI, the first cross-platform MMO (PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, and PC).
The inspection option/button was called "examine" in that game, and you could tab-target players/NPCs, etc. It was much easier to target things; whereas in ESO, you have to walk up next to that person and hold F and scroll through the wheel circle to find and click the option. Which is kind of tedious and user-unfriendly.

In FFXI, if someone examined you, it would show up in your chat-log with a message saying "Player-Name examined you." You could do /anonymous to hide your level, but people could still see the level of your equipped gear. In addition, FFXI had bazaars and bazaar comments, where you could sell stuff from your inventory (which people would see when they examined/inspected you) and bazaar comments were a way to advertise yourself (sort of like guild-note comments in ESO).

For ESO, I would support an optional "inspection feature" similar to that of duels, where you can accept/decline the request on the spot, or an option in game-play/social Settings to auto-decline "inspection requests" from other players or guildies or friends, etc. ZOS could even implement tiered options that you could set and customize, like people on your friends-list and/or people in your guild(s) can inspect you, but random players cannot; or, you know, whatever you choose to set the inspection option feature to do.

Inspection requests could be an in-game notification similar to that of friend-requests, guild-invite requests, duel invites, trial/leader-board notifications, and whatever else.
And if ZOS were ever to implement such a feature, it would take into account that player's outfit/costume etc and show you their real-gear versus their cosmetic-style gear.

Just my thoughts. It would be a nice-to-have quality-of-life improvement/feature, but we are fine without it, too.

yup i mostly agree with everything u said. Basically here most comments already made me change my mind ( i even wasnt sure about it in the first place).

Your points are well said but its too much effort for them to implement all of those for a feature that as far as i can tell no one wants.Even taken into account all the precautions you already said could be taken people would be negative about.

Clever way though to go like this "inspection requesting" but people that are against it either way would never think of it as a solution to keep everyone satisfied

Gilvoth · April 2018

Reverb wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

it leads to problems, and shaming people that aren't wearing what You think they should be wearing in armor and weapons.
it is rude and intruding, i hope it never happens.

i can see this happening after a long time yes. its a shame it can lead to this. i thought of it as a helping tool for newer players and even casuals to look up to whats good and how its performing live, even what is good looking and for example how the worm cult motifs actually look like in game(even if there are videos showcasing it i know)

Well, as is so often said around here: Talk to them! Many, if not most, are happy to discuss this sort of thing provided you don't ask in mid-battle or something silly like that. Yeah, there will be some who don't care to discuss it but people like to brag and talk about themselves. Human nature.

well my main issue was that if somebody is actually interested and open to tell me what he is using ,he also wouldnt mind me just checking it out without him even noticing. Also i cant always ask somebody about it, he might even be busy,afk ,or for some reason that has happened to me before the person answering with only 1 word.

If someone random is just hanging around, possibly afk which you don’t know because you have no contact or interaction with them, why would you even care what they’re wearing?

Do you grab random people on the street to look at the tags on their clothing, just to satisfy your own curiosity?

haha, unfortunately that answer is "yes" i have met people who have done that ... yes

and yes it led to a fight and people got knocked out.

and yes it led to problems.

another type senario:

even sometimes just asking has led to problems.

for example:

you find a really awesome pair of boots and you buy them at a really High price because you know is looks good and not many people will be able purchase said Boots.
and within a few weeks you see everywhere you go people wearing same Boots.
so instead of letting that happen again you keep mouth shut about where u bought Boots next time.

terrannova · April 2018

Reverb wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

it leads to problems, and shaming people that aren't wearing what You think they should be wearing in armor and weapons.
it is rude and intruding, i hope it never happens.

i can see this happening after a long time yes. its a shame it can lead to this. i thought of it as a helping tool for newer players and even casuals to look up to whats good and how its performing live, even what is good looking and for example how the worm cult motifs actually look like in game(even if there are videos showcasing it i know)

Well, as is so often said around here: Talk to them! Many, if not most, are happy to discuss this sort of thing provided you don't ask in mid-battle or something silly like that. Yeah, there will be some who don't care to discuss it but people like to brag and talk about themselves. Human nature.

well my main issue was that if somebody is actually interested and open to tell me what he is using ,he also wouldnt mind me just checking it out without him even noticing. Also i cant always ask somebody about it, he might even be busy,afk ,or for some reason that has happened to me before the person answering with only 1 word.

If someone random is just hanging around, possibly afk which you don’t know because you have no contact or interaction with them, why would you even care what they’re wearing?

Do you grab random people on the street to look at the tags on their clothing, just to satisfy your own curiosity?

hahahah well u cant really compare the two of those man... But i have asked a salesman were he got his shoes from (closest i could get to your example lol)