Wait what? We got a buff? An actual buff? You sure it’s 8k damage and not 800 or 80 or 8 (lel)? That’s good news... too bad it’s on another super clunky, hard to land ability

Yes I’ve used every ability on warden extensively as I have an unhealthy amount of /played time on the warden class, mostly as magden... I suppose my hard to land statement is a completely untrue statement when you set up a triple land mine or place them strategically, was still thinking about the one trap at a time days when I wrote that for some reason...

My gripe with the skill, when I mean it’s hard to use, really comes from the terrible hybrid function design of frozen escape morph... I would really want that morph to be a ranged root trap that allies can activate to jump instead on a chains / ally gap close depending on who hits it first

While Frozen Device is fine and serves its purpose as a enemy pull, Frozen escape really doesn’t work well because the synergy gets eaten when the enemy is pulled to you... it should be a rooting ice trap that let’s an ally jump to you. It’s current design makes me feel that I must spam this skill 1000x to get my ally out of that zerg cause enemies are gonna keep triggering it before my ally can, and then before I know it, I’m the one getting zerged because my ally was never able to grab the synergy and all of his foes got pulled to me. At this point it might as well be a rune that swaps positions...

It’s would be really great for magden pvp if frozen escape could root an enemy without pulling them to you and wasting cc immunity so you could maybe... um... escape? Imagine how great this would be for magden pvp if you could have a root without being forced to run ice staff... but if this were done only one rune should be placible for the Frozen Escape morph at a time do you can’t set up a 30k instanuke ice mine by stacking 3 of those with the new damage potential on a glass cannon and it should be aoe to punish zerging chasers.

But regardless I’m quite excited about the damage that’s coming to the ability... more ice damage is always good and I’m glad zos has realized ice should be capable of destruction

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »

I remember it does around 8k damage on my pvp mag warden. I have 13-14k deep fissure

8K damage from a utility skill?!?!? I find this hard to believe. 8k damage instant? 4k over the 3s root? 4s Maim? Some other time?
We are talking about Frozen. That would be considerably stronger then its counter part, Chains. Though Gate is also considerably slower.

I did not check and use my memory for the reply. Let me log on the PTS and check for the exact number.

Wish they'd scale the damage off health. This is just going to further encourage the idiotic notion that frost should be a dps tree, when it clearly isnt designed as such.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Wish they'd scale the damage off health. This is just going to further encourage the idiotic notion that frost should be a dps tree, when it clearly isnt designed as such.

Frost should be a DPS + Tank tree, just like DK has skill trees that have skills both for tank and for dps. Magicka Warden has so few damage abilities.
Scaling damage off health is a terrible idea since DK chain also scale off magicka.
Warden should be buffed (or reworked) in general (except PVP Stam Warden), I hope that ZOS can figure out a way to buff Warden Tank, Magicka PVP and PVE Dps.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Wish they'd scale the damage off health. This is just going to further encourage the idiotic notion that frost should be a dps tree, when it clearly isnt designed as such.

Just why? Magdens are awful and need more damage... you want Tankdens to do good damage and Magdens to stay trash tier? Seriously all other classes have multiple dps trees, even dks who are far better tanks?

Additionally making tanks do damage is a bad idea... Do you not see the pvp imbalances that dps frost tanks would cause... this change isn’t nerfing tanks so just let it go...

Saying ice should only tank because Winters embrace is like saying dragonknights self heal with fire so all fire abilities should heal instead of damage... remove the damage of whip and embers and you have a god awful class, class trees should be multifunctional to keeps them interesting... warden ice abilities should all have a dps and tank morphs so that Magden doesn’t suffer from being so uninteresting...

I’m sure you would be fine with this if the tank morphs were good enough to make Tankdens comparable to Tankknights but the issue still stands that Magden feels like half a class without good ice damaging abilities.