Is Stamina Over Preforming

Vapirko · April 2018

No

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Thraben wrote: »

Some classes have to perform well in 1vsX situations, because they totally underperform in the large scale encounters cyrodiil is meant for. Stamplars, StamDK, and particularly StamBlades won´t get a spot in progress PvP groups larger 6.

Also, the generalization "stamina" is not helpful: It includes both StamDK and StamWarden, although both sit on totally opposite sides of the "strength" scale.

This man understands it.

+1 I hate these generalized posts, theyre the reason we get these giant adjustments that toss an entire half of the population under the bus. Last time it was magicka (because of the nerf sorcs), and this time it'll be stamina. The only classes that might be op are stamblade and stamwarden. And even then its really only the crit heals from cloak (being fixed), and incap but it must be noted that part of incaps op-ness is that defile CP is too strong so if defile cp star was taken out or scaled more like siphoner would it be an issue? For stam wardens its the sheer amount of buffs. But I will say this, most streamers, 1vXers choose to play stamina because it has more burst and 1vX or small scale favors luring people into small areas where this kind of burst is preferable. This is why people get the impression that stamina is OP. But you can kill someone just as easily on a mag sorc/templar/blade/DK. Search youtube, you can find people ripping 1vXs on any class. Its just that the majority of people like to sit back and spam ranged attacks so in general this appeals to new players and zerglings who of course are going to complain when they get 1 shotted from a DBoS.

Vapirko · April 2018

No

NyassaV wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

I can't sustain stamina very well and I wear 2 pc Bloodspawn and 1 Stam Regen Glyph + 3 well-fitted. This is also in CP.

Since it's actually possible to sustain stamina builds with only Dubious Camoran throne and literally no other stamina sustain sources (apart from the armor in heavy or medium) in CP PvP, you may want to have a look at your CP distribution.

If you have a stamina ability slotted, make use of the Unchained passive - it does make a pretty drastic difference.

Since you mention Siphoning attacks, you may consider using Leeching Strikes instead of the magicka counterpart.

It's pretty hard to give further advice without knowing your exact playstyle, beside the usual "use Line of sight, favor dodge roll / block for when you have absolutely no other choice and use shields when available and weave heavies as much as you can".

Using Heavies as a magicka build makes you extremely vulnerable. Stam heavy attacks are much part which is just another addition to why stamina is overpreforming

Wut? Every good magicka player I know utilizes heavy attacks in their burst and its very powerful. Magicka users also have larger mag pools that stamina users have stam pools in general. I find it far easier to sustain on my mag blade than any of my stam toons. Idk what "much part" is supposed to mean, but I would like you to explain how exactly magicka heavy attacks leave you more vulnerable than stam heavy attacks. Don't worry, you're getting all your buffs this patch. Then you can happily have every advantage of stam users. The 2h wpns counting as 2 set pieces will heavily favor magicka builds, the destro staves are getting buffed light and heavy attacks where as 2h melee wpns are getting both nerfed. The Psijic order line is heavily leaning towards magicka users with maybe 1 or 2 lame stamina morphs and the passives are also extremely strong. Also Magicka users have both efficient purge and mistform for snare removal so while were at it, can you all stop complaining that you have no snare removals?

yttoks · April 2018

No

LOL a nerf stam thread less than a month before Summerset drops.

Saturn · April 2018

No

No, I don't think so.

In PvE stam dps are getting shafted because the last few trials all favour ranged dps, and bow dpsing still isn't amazing, plus standing in melee-range of bosses is always a surefire way to get killed easily, when something goes wrong or if you react too slowly.

In PvP it's hard to say, though personally I don't think stam is overpowered, since there are as many powerful magicka builds as there are stam builds, and it really just depends on which side you are on. If you play stamina you'll be upset at magicka builds with their overpowered heals, shields and so on, and if you play magicka you'll be upset at stamina builds because of their burst, dodging and so on. If there's anything I think is kind of unfair in PvP it's probably tank builds, just because of how you can wear a shield, be super tanky and still dish out tons of damage, but then, if I played such a build I'd probably hate on magicka or stamina instead because of <insert reason>. It's a never-ending cycle, basically.

The only things that really need nerfs are a few sets I think (Zaan, Earthgore, etc.), but the ultimate problem with nerfs in ESO is that they are game-wide, meaning something will be adjusted for PvP and then become useless in PvE.

GreenSoup2HoT · April 2018

In my opinion only poison injection is overperforming.

Dracane · April 2018

Yes

In pvp, I'd say clearly yes, on all classes except for stamina DK.
In pve they are at a disadvantage, I feel like that's only due to the melee restriction, which also some magicka specs suffer from though.

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2018

Other

Strictly from a PvP perspective:

Ravager, seventh legion, and truth are going to be a real issue now that the jewelry can be used in traits other than healthy.

Every non-skill based defensive mechanic (block, dodge roll, sprint) costs stamina.

Bleeds are easily accessed and ignore resistances.

Is stamina OP? Probably not. Are there a few mechanics and sets that are overperforming? In my opinion, yes there are.

NyassaV · April 2018

Yes

Dracane wrote: »

In pvp, I'd say clearly yes, on all classes except for stamina DK.
In pve they are at a disadvantage, I feel like that's only due to the melee restriction, which also some magicka specs suffer from though.

You'd be very very surprised. Most StamDK builds are dead but the class itself is very alive and well. I have a friend who does some amazing things with it.

NyassaV · April 2018

Yes

OMG Blobs voted yes, my life is complete

JumpmanLane · April 2018

No

NyassaV wrote: »

OMG Blobs voted yes, my life is complete

Aren’t most of his builds magicka bombblade sorts of things?

Elsterchen · April 2018

No

The amount of dodging + easy CC break makes stamina very formidable in a PvP environment. I'm not even mentioning snare removal but it plays an important part in their kit.

Everyone needs to dogde, CC break etc... regardless of used main ressource. To account for stamina users having to use their main ressource for it, the DEVs made stamina abilities cost ~15% less then their magica variants. For magica players this is a free ressource i.e. you don't need to use when dealing damage, applying buffs or heal. If you feel you need more stamina to dodge, block etc please ask the devs to either

a) increase stamina pool per design
b) reduce block/dodge/CC break etc cost
c) (as you mentioned already) increase ressource return aka recovery rate

Just to give you some more to think about, as i have heard the argument of the "free ressource pool" pretty often lately. You are complaining that the stamina pool isn't enough to block, dodge etc... now just consider you would be able to do all these abilities with your magica pool, but you would be able to primarily heal, buff and debuff with your stamina only. Would you really welcome such a change?

Skoomah · April 2018

No

It depends on the context. 1v1 and in small groups of 4 or less, stamina shines with their single target potential.

In ball groups, raid groups, magicka shines with their aoe potential.

Healers are game changers. They are all magicka.

Dps can be both magicka and stamina.

Tanks in pvp are just waiting to die last as their teammates get bursted down first. So who cares if they magicka or stamina tanking.

DuskMarine · April 2018

No

magicka will always overperform above stamina in any and all situations stamina is truly just a persons preference to play anymore.

Murador178 · April 2018

No

JumpmanLane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

OMG Blobs voted yes, my life is complete

Aren’t most of his builds magicka bombblade sorts of things?

He mostly plays magicka yes. Lets be honest this discussion makes clearly non sense. In smallscale? In solo?
For ganking? Almost every comment in this thread shows some nice bias

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So u compare stam dk/stamplar with stam warden?
Or mSorc with magplar in solo play?

I see mDks and mSorcs as the strongest classes after this patch goes live.

JumpmanLane · April 2018

No

I love Blobs. He’s the reason I can afford the gear to play ANYTHING competitively. Lol.

To say Stams overpowered is nuts. Stam Wardens are hard to kill (compared to stamblade or StamDKs)but I wouldn’t go as far as to say they are overpowered. They die too lol.

NyassaV · April 2018

Yes

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I love Blobs. He’s the reason I can afford the gear to play ANYTHING competitively. Lol.

To say Stams overpowered is nuts. Stam Wardens are hard to kill (compared to stamblade or StamDKs)but I wouldn’t go as far as to say they are overpowered. They die too lol.

Overpreforming. Not overpowered

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

Yes

NyassaV wrote: »

Is Stamina Over Preforming

I voted yes, but I'm not sure if stamina pre-forms groups in pvp at a higher clip than magicka builds do.

Dracane · April 2018

Yes

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

In pvp, I'd say clearly yes, on all classes except for stamina DK.
In pve they are at a disadvantage, I feel like that's only due to the melee restriction, which also some magicka specs suffer from though.

You'd be very very surprised. Most StamDK builds are dead but the class itself is very alive and well. I have a friend who does some amazing things with it.

I don't consider the class dead and there are some strong stamina Dragonknights, in fact my best friend plays one.
But when I look at the average player I come across, I think stamDK is the one that least annoys me.

OGLezard · April 2018

I main a magsorc, I have since the beginning. I would like to point out how amazing dark cldeal is....trade magicka for stamina.....yep. amazing. Everyone is on about that dark conversion but meh lol I can get magicka back easily, so trading magicka for stamina is a easy choice for me and how I play (others opinions will vary and that's cool).

Now with my other character (yep only have 2, hate the grind), I lack that skill so my magblade has to get creative.

Bigevilpeter · April 2018

No

Stamina have dodge rolls/break free Magika have unlimited shielding

Vapirko · April 2018

No

@NyassaV you’re just coming off as someone who gets stomped by stamina builds all the time and would rather have them nerfed than get better. But don’t worry they are getting indirectly nerfed next patch thanks to the myriad of new skills and buffs coming to magicka users. But something tells me that won’t make much of a difference for you.

usmguy1234 · April 2018

Yes

They are overperforming in this poll for sure.

Numerikuu · April 2018

Other

I wouldn't say that stamina is, only that certain race combinations with stamina are. So basically Redguard. Same goes for Altmer with magicka. Other races either need to be brought up to the same levels as those races, or those races need to be brought down a notch. Though I'd much rather prefer the former... no more nerfs please.

thankyourat · April 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

@NyassaV you’re just coming off as someone who gets stomped by stamina builds all the time and would rather have them nerfed than get better. But don’t worry they are getting indirectly nerfed next patch thanks to the myriad of new skills and buffs coming to magicka users. But something tells me that won’t make much of a difference for you.

Even if Magicka was getting big buffs in the next patch which I don't think they are. Stamina would still be better because of their mobility. Generally speaking Magicka pretty much needs to use multiple utility sets to function as well as having sustained damage instead of burst damage. So what you end up having is Magicka users having to try to find a way to be tanky in light armor because there aren't really any good Magicka heavy armor sets, as well as being slow with low burst damage. Magicka shines with the group utility they provide but if you don't have a group or you play a smaller group you are better off playing stamina

Ragnaroek93 · April 2018

No

NyassaV wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

In 1 v X yes, 1 v 1 no.

even in 1v1... There are a few times I will disagree. But yes this is a fairly accurate assessment

Enlighten us how to beat a petsorc then (on a stam toon)

ak_pvp · April 2018

No

Not really. Stamblade and stamden is stronger than their mag counterparts. Mag/stam sorcs are around the same, and either templar can be stronger depending the situation. MagDK outperforms stamDK.

Stam universally isn't OP. Stamden and stamblade are OP, but that comes from overpowered class skills mixing with the generally stronger non class stam toolkit. (Non class stam>Non class mag.)

Schattenfluegel · April 2018

No

No

Those damned PvP whine...

Murador178 · April 2018

No

NyassaV wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I love Blobs. He’s the reason I can afford the gear to play ANYTHING competitively. Lol.

To say Stams overpowered is nuts. Stam Wardens are hard to kill (compared to stamblade or StamDKs)but I wouldn’t go as far as to say they are overpowered. They die too lol.

Overpreforming. Not overpowered

I saw u zero times on the pts. If u think stam is overpowered there - then i cant help you.

JumpmanLane · April 2018

No

Vapirko wrote: »

@NyassaV you’re just coming off as someone who gets stomped by stamina builds all the time and would rather have them nerfed than get better. But don’t worry they are getting indirectly nerfed next patch thanks to the myriad of new skills and buffs coming to magicka users. But something tells me that won’t make much of a difference for you.

Say werd! I was thinking just that! Square biness hehehehe. If content and people don’t just lay down in front of you then it’s op (overpowered...overperforming what’s the difference).

JumpmanLane · April 2018

No

NyassaV wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I love Blobs. He’s the reason I can afford the gear to play ANYTHING competitively. Lol.

To say Stams overpowered is nuts. Stam Wardens are hard to kill (compared to stamblade or StamDKs)but I wouldn’t go as far as to say they are overpowered. They die too lol.

Overpreforming. Not overpowered

Let’s define some terms. By overpowered do you mean “I can’t kill them?” and by overperforming do you mean “Stams have an easier time killing folks than magickas?”

I unno, I’ve watched some of your buddy Blobs’ bombblade videos and he seemed to be having a great go of it. Tho I think he plays EU. Perhaps magicka is overperforming on that server hehehehe