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Stam DK Love: Poison Whip
Skoomah
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Stam DK using imbued weapon as a spammable is still not good enough. You have to click twice to get it to work. That's not a spammable. It's clunky.
Please ZOS, make one of the whip morphs into a Poison Whip.
Dizzy swing is a clunky skill that takes just as long to fire as the imbue weapon + light attack combo. Which leaves Stam DK with poor choices for spammable. Stam DK badly needs a class spammable for effective pvp.
Edited by Skoomah on April 26, 2018 5:12PM Please ZOS, make one of the whip morphs into a Poison Whip.
Dizzy swing is a clunky skill that takes just as long to fire as the imbue weapon + light attack combo. Which leaves Stam DK with poor choices for spammable. Stam DK badly needs a class spammable for effective pvp.
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tyr509✭✭Molten Whip morph is already subpar compared to the Flame Lash morph in almost every scenario. Why not rework Molten Whip to be useful for stam DKs?
Another thought if ZOS really doesn’t want a stam whip… What about making one of Stonefist’s morphs deal physical damage and scale off stam/weapon damage? It fits thematically too, since hurling giant rocks at your enemies seems like it should be a physical attack. I would even be fine if they removed the stun from the stam version and made it deal decent damage instead of a ranged stun.
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✭✭✭Sounds good as long as mDKs get an execute with that.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭Yes please!!! Awesome suggestions!!
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✭Or we could just...add new skills to the game...instead of changing ones that people use....that would be niiice...1 -
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✭I dislike the idea of a poison whip, even if I'll take it if it come.
But I prefer other options. First, I'ld love to see wrecking blow reworked with no cooldown and lower damage, in order to be a reliant spammable. Second, world in ruin should work on all fire and poison damage, even single target and dots (even if ZOS need to accordantly nerf the damage of whip or embers if needed). Third and more important, I would love to see igneous weapons to get an additional effect for the caster : transforming all physical damage into poison one (at least single target one) and boosting the chance to apply the poisoned effect.
It would make stamDK able to use every generic spammable in the game freely while being good with all of these. Even with "generic" skill, it would be rather unique to play stamDK over non-class stamina build.0 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We really need to focus on the issue of this thread which is Stam DKs need a spammable. Let's not theorycraft other ideas because what we really need is a reliable class spammable that does direct damage. You can't win a fight in pvp if you can't kill your opponent. Dots alone don't cut it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Stam DK using imbued weapon as a spammable is still not good enough. You have to click twice to get it to work. That's not a spammable. It's clunky.
Please ZOS, make one of the whip morphs into a Poison Whip.
Dizzy swing is a clunky skill that takes just as long to fire as the imbue weapon + light attack combo. Which leaves Stam DK with poor choices for spammable. Stam DK badly needs a class spammable for effective pvp.
I think if imbued weapons could proc from heavy attacks aswell, It could be nice with dual wield+molten armaments.
That being said, molten armaments also should have major brutality, or the other morph should give bonus light attack damage so that we are at least compareable to stamsorcs in PvP. (yes I realize we have empowered chains that grants 2 stacks of empower now, and no, its still too costy to use for that purpose alone. Compare it to warden's bird of prey which grants major berserk and you'll see why.)
Also there is one more thing that I can't stress this enough, is the possibility of reworking wrecking blow into an ability similar to suprise attack, so that every class, including stamsorc and stamDk, has a choice over other than slow and clunky dizzying swing. This alone would remove the need of a stam whip, or stam anything really.
All we ask for is a reliable spammable. I doubt we will get a stam whip though.Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 26, 2018 7:04PM6 -
tyr509✭✭Or we could just...add new skills to the game...instead of changing ones that people use....that would be niiice...
I agree, but ZOS is unlikely to add new class skills (I would be all for it though!). The Molten Whip morph of Lava Whip is rarely (if ever) used, hardly anyone would lose out by changing that one morph and leaving the base skill and other morph (Flame Lash) alone.Savos_Saren wrote: »Sounds good as long as mDKs get an execute with that.
Mag DK's getting an execute has to do with this thread... how? We're talking about stam DK. Read the title.
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tyr509✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Also there is one more thing that I can't stress this enough, is the possibility of reworking wrecking blow into an ability similar to suprise attack, so that every class, including stamsorc and stamDk, has a choice over other than slow and clunky dizzying swing. This alone would remove the need of a stam whip, or stam anything really.
All we ask for is a reliable spammable. I doubt we will get a stam whip though.
I like this idea too. Maybe for Wrecking Blow (non-stun morph), make it insta-cast and deal only 66% of the current damage?
Example:
Morph A (Current Dizzy Swing) - 15k tooltip, 1 second cast time with a stun
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Morph B - 10k tooltip, insta-cast with no stun
(The numbers can be tweaked for balance obviously)
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✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Sounds good as long as mDKs get an execute with that.
Sounds like a L2P issue.5 -
Playnice✭✭✭Molten Whip morph is already subpar compared to the Flame Lash morph in almost every scenario. Why not rework Molten Whip to be useful for stam DKs?
Another thought if ZOS really doesn’t want a stam whip… What about making one of Stonefist’s morphs deal physical damage and scale off stam/weapon damage? It fits thematically too, since hurling giant rocks at your enemies seems like it should be a physical attack. I would even be fine if they removed the stun from the stam version and made it deal decent damage instead of a ranged stun.
Agree 100%. These kinds of ideas will work and make sense! Let's make it happen, Zos.Playing ESO since Feb 2015 / TES fan since 2002
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Also there is one more thing that I can't stress this enough, is the possibility of reworking wrecking blow into an ability similar to suprise attack, so that every class, including stamsorc and stamDk, has a choice over other than slow and clunky dizzying swing. This alone would remove the need of a stam whip, or stam anything really.
All we ask for is a reliable spammable. I doubt we will get a stam whip though.
I like this idea too. Maybe for Wrecking Blow (non-stun morph), make it insta-cast and deal only 66% of the current damage?
Example:
Morph A (Current Dizzy Swing) - 15k tooltip, 1 second cast time with a stun
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Morph B - 10k tooltip, insta-cast with no stun
(The numbers can be tweaked for balance obviously)
of course, it would need a damage reduction if we're gonna make it an instant cast ability.
That being said, idea here is that dizzying swing would remain as a slow hit, but it would still have a CC packed with it, and wrecking blow would be damage only, so it would be faster. It would be elegant, and would fill a massive gap for stamDK/stamsorc.0 -
NobleX35✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Stam DK using imbued weapon as a spammable is still not good enough. You have to click twice to get it to work. That's not a spammable. It's clunky.
Please ZOS, make one of the whip morphs into a Poison Whip.
Dizzy swing is a clunky skill that takes just as long to fire as the imbue weapon + light attack combo. Which leaves Stam DK with poor choices for spammable. Stam DK badly needs a class spammable for effective pvp.
I think if imbued weapons could proc from heavy attacks aswell, It could be nice with dual wield+molten armaments.
That being said, molten armaments also should have major brutality, or the other morph should give bonus light attack damage so that we are at least compareable to stamsorcs in PvP. (yes I realize we have empowered chains that grants 2 stacks of empower now, and no, its still too costy to use for that purpose alone. Compare it to warden's bird of prey which grants major berserk and you'll see why.)
Also there is one more thing that I can't stress this enough, is the possibility of reworking wrecking blow into an ability similar to suprise attack, so that every class, including stamsorc and stamDk, has a choice over other than slow and clunky dizzying swing. This alone would remove the need of a stam whip, or stam anything really.
All we ask for is a reliable spammable. I doubt we will get a stam whip though.
I would love a stam whip, because I can already imagine a lot of different built possibilities. However, I would be perfectly fine with a reworked wrecking blow that would be more reliable. A more reliable wrecking blow would not only help stamdks, but other stam classes could use a more reliable spammable."Only the dead have seen the end of war."1 -
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✭Molten Whip morph is already subpar compared to the Flame Lash morph in almost every scenario. Why not rework Molten Whip to be useful for stam DKs?
Another thought if ZOS really doesn’t want a stam whip… What about making one of Stonefist’s morphs deal physical damage and scale off stam/weapon damage? It fits thematically too, since hurling giant rocks at your enemies seems like it should be a physical attack. I would even be fine if they removed the stun from the stam version and made it deal decent damage instead of a ranged stun.
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tyr509✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molten Whip morph is already subpar compared to the Flame Lash morph in almost every scenario. Why not rework Molten Whip to be useful for stam DKs?
Another thought if ZOS really doesn’t want a stam whip… What about making one of Stonefist’s morphs deal physical damage and scale off stam/weapon damage? It fits thematically too, since hurling giant rocks at your enemies seems like it should be a physical attack. I would even be fine if they removed the stun from the stam version and made it deal decent damage instead of a ranged stun.
Lmao what?
What part of that confuses you?Edited by tyr509 on April 26, 2018 10:44PM0 -
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✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Sounds good as long as mDKs get an execute with that.
Sounds like a L2P issue.
Same could be said for stamDKs that think they need a stam whip...
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✭✭✭✭✭Idk why people keep thinking imbue wpns is going to be a stamina spammable lol. The stamina morph barely deals any damage especially compared he magicka morph and instead we get a crappy heal. And honestly what damage skill will you be able to give up on any class just for this skill?2 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molten Whip morph is already subpar compared to the Flame Lash morph in almost every scenario. Why not rework Molten Whip to be useful for stam DKs?
Another thought if ZOS really doesn’t want a stam whip… What about making one of Stonefist’s morphs deal physical damage and scale off stam/weapon damage? It fits thematically too, since hurling giant rocks at your enemies seems like it should be a physical attack. I would even be fine if they removed the stun from the stam version and made it deal decent damage instead of a ranged stun.
Lmao what?
What part of that confuses you?
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✭Idk why people keep thinking imbue wpns is going to be a stamina spammable lol. The stamina morph barely deals any damage especially compared he magicka morph and instead we get a crappy heal. And honestly what damage skill will you be able to give up on any class just for this skill?
Barely deals any damage compared to the magicka morph ? The base damage and the scaling are the same, and IW's damage is just a little lower than surprise attack.
I agree that the heal is poor at best. But the damage is on par with other spammables. I have pretty similar parse with a character who weave rapid strike or crushing weapons (no class/race passive, only weapon/guild/armor passives and no other skill on bar). Only passives and set change the appealing of the skill : the same character -an orc stamsorc- deals more damage with rapids due to more implosion proc, swiftness and/or (tested all three separately) a proc set (stormfist and kragh tested).
For a bow build it can be useable (especially at medium range when using snipe isn't easy and doesn't benefit much from hawkeye), for stamplar it may be a thing, same for DK, stamsorc and stamden especially on 2H build. Only close ranged stamblade have a much better option with surprise attack.2 -
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✭✭Let's try to stay on point and polite with our responses. This thread is specifically about getting a spammable for Stam DKs. Dots just don't cut it. Kills in pvp are earned through direct damage that come in bursts between 1-2 seconds.
Rapid strikes (no one just stands there and let's you poke them to death over 1.5 seconds. You have to move with them to make sure the channel goes though and if they immobilize or snare you, rapid strikes is not good).
Dizzy swings (no one just stands there and let's you wind up an uppercut on them)
Heavy attacks (no one just stands there while you wind up a clunky attack that often times doesn't even register to even begin the heavy attack animation to begin with)
Pvp fighting is extremely fast paced and target movement is very quick so any skills that aren't instant cast suck in pvp. People just move out the way or avoid your damage. The only class changes next patch that help Stam DK is the new wings but snares can just be reapplied immediately. Combustion change is good but the extra regen is not significant enough to make a material difference.
What we need most is a boost to our damage through access to a class direct damage spammable. Our damage relied heavily on sets that have been nerfed methodically patch to patch. I would like to see Stam DK damage to become something inherent to the class, thus POISON WHIP.
Please ZOS, help us out. We need better options than to just sub par dot or bleed builds.Edited by Skoomah on April 27, 2018 12:55PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molten Whip morph is already subpar compared to the Flame Lash morph in almost every scenario. Why not rework Molten Whip to be useful for stam DKs?
Another thought if ZOS really doesn’t want a stam whip… What about making one of Stonefist’s morphs deal physical damage and scale off stam/weapon damage? It fits thematically too, since hurling giant rocks at your enemies seems like it should be a physical attack. I would even be fine if they removed the stun from the stam version and made it deal decent damage instead of a ranged stun.
Lmao what?
What part of that confuses you?
Because Molten whip is by far the best morph for PvE
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Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS neutered our tankiness and sustain by nerfing our class passives and damage by nerfing sets. To compensate, they really need to make make it so that Stam DK has a way to get reliable damage inherent from a class skill.
Mag DKs have incredible choices for damage and healing already. I think throwing Stam DKs a small bone is not a big ask. Mag DKs will get by just fine without Molten Whip as a magicka morph.Edited by Skoomah on April 27, 2018 1:11PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS neutered our tankiness and sustain by nerfing our class passives and damage by nerfing sets. To compensate, they really need to make make it so that Stam DK has a way to get reliable damage inherent from a class skill.
Mag DKs have incredible choices for damage and healing already. I think throwing Stam DKs a small bone is not a big ask. Mag DKs will get by just fine without Molten Whip as a magicka morph.
In PvE stamina DK doesn´t have any issues, so stam-whip with PvE in mind is not motivated.
In PvP stamina DK won´t all of a sudden be viable just because they get a spammable. Their problem is more complex than that.
Bolded part: MagDK´s will be put in the "Force-pulse" swamp with all the other magicka classes if you rework molten whip. So much for class diversity.......So we can at least acknowledge that a poison whip will help Stam DKs. I'm ok with incremental changes that help out the class. We at least need a better way to apply damage because no one is dying if we can't get them down to 0 health fast enough.
It will do little to no difference for stamDK, while at the same time gutting magDK. So nope, I don´t agree.Edited by Qbiken on April 27, 2018 1:54PM3 -
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✭✭So we can at least acknowledge that a poison whip will help Stam DKs. I'm ok with incremental changes that help out the class. We at least need a better way to apply damage because no one is dying if we can't get them down to 0 health fast enough.0 -
tyr509✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Because Molten whip is by far the best morph for PvE
I was referring mainly to PvP.In PvP stamina DK won´t all of a sudden be viable just because they get a spammable. Their problem is more complex than that.
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It will do little to no difference for stamDK, while at the same time gutting magDK. So nope, I don´t agree.
"Gutting magDK" because they only have one more of whip is a little bit of an exaggeration don't you think?
I agree getting a stam based spammable won't fix all of DK's PvP problems, but we need to start somewhere (like @Skoomah said).
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Murador178✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Sounds good as long as mDKs get an execute with that.
mDk is really strong on the pts - and u can get execute dmg by 2 ring echants without dropping a spellslot0 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Because Molten whip is by far the best morph for PvE
I was referring mainly to PvP.In PvP stamina DK won´t all of a sudden be viable just because they get a spammable. Their problem is more complex than that.
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It will do little to no difference for stamDK, while at the same time gutting magDK. So nope, I don´t agree.
"Gutting magDK" because they only have one more of whip is a little bit of an exaggeration don't you think?
I agree getting a stam based spammable won't fix all of DK's PvP problems, but we need to start somewhere (like @Skoomah said).
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kookster✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Also there is one more thing that I can't stress this enough, is the possibility of reworking wrecking blow into an ability similar to suprise attack, so that every class, including stamsorc and stamDk, has a choice over other than slow and clunky dizzying swing. This alone would remove the need of a stam whip, or stam anything really.
All we ask for is a reliable spammable. I doubt we will get a stam whip though.
This makes even more sense with them changing empower, it just made wrecking blow useless to everyone now pretty much.Edited by kookster on April 27, 2018 5:28PMPotato Pact - PC NA0 -
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✭✭Stam DK using imbued weapon as a spammable is still not good enough. You have to click twice to get it to work. That's not a spammable. It's clunky.
Please ZOS, make one of the whip morphs into a Poison Whip.
Dizzy swing is a clunky skill that takes just as long to fire as the imbue weapon + light attack combo. Which leaves Stam DK with poor choices for spammable. Stam DK badly needs a class spammable for effective pvp.
Absolutely good idea.
+execute as well... but the orc doesn't want to be greedy.
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