Those that have played the PTS... Is Stam getting shafted?

  • Vaoh
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    Phage wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

    If it gives even a 1% increase over stam, leaderboard guilds will go back to the mag meta.

    Doesn't mean you have to go along with it. Damn the meta, man your stam.
    Vaoh wrote: »
    Good to know. Ty. I’m really curious now if ZOS will let Summerset launch this way. DPS seems too high across the board. All trials besides Cloudrest will become so easy...

    Doesn't seem so to me. Mag DPS is looking more competitive vs Stam, that's all. If it was really too strong, there would be ample evidence of it and it'd be all over the PTS right now.

    Not Mag vs Stam, although if their DPS becomes equal, Stam will likely not be needed very much next patch PvE-wise.

    I’m referring to DPS as a whole. Group DPS will be significantly higher next patch. Possibly too high, though idk if this will be a good or a bad thing.
  • Kanar
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    Tasear wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

    Instead of 7 Stam dps meta?

    Please name which vet HM trial is currently run with this configuration.
  • Bladerunner1
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    I dunno but on the PTS my magblade is 30% stronger it seems, even with funnel health, whereas the stamblade might be 10% stronger. They're very close in single target DPS now. I've played Stamblade for years but I'm a Magblade noob with a stamblade-type rotation. I'm letting DOTs run out and still get within a drop of matching the stamblade dps.

    Between the two magblade seems like the obvious choice to me if I want a safe or easy dungeon clear.
  • Guarlet
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    Kanar wrote: »
    Tasear wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

    Instead of 7 Stam dps meta?

    Please name which vet HM trial is currently run with this configuration.

    I know, right?

    Groups generally bring a nice balanced mix of stam and mag DPS into trials atm. Which is how it should be. I really hope this doesn't get effed up in Summerset.
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  • Kanar
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    Currently on live, typical vet HM trials groups are 4 stam at most. Once the gap between stam and mag is closed (or even worse mag moves ahead of stam), then there will be no reason to bring stam. Melee is a liability not a benefit, unless it does more damage.
  • AlienatedGoat
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    Phage wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

    If it gives even a 1% increase over stam, leaderboard guilds will go back to the mag meta.

    Doesn't mean you have to go along with it. Damn the meta, man your stam.
    Vaoh wrote: »
    Good to know. Ty. I’m really curious now if ZOS will let Summerset launch this way. DPS seems too high across the board. All trials besides Cloudrest will become so easy...

    Doesn't seem so to me. Mag DPS is looking more competitive vs Stam, that's all. If it was really too strong, there would be ample evidence of it and it'd be all over the PTS right now.

    Not Mag vs Stam, although if their DPS becomes equal, Stam will likely not be needed very much next patch PvE-wise.

    I’m referring to DPS as a whole. Group DPS will be significantly higher next patch. Possibly too high, though idk if this will be a good or a bad thing.

    Honestly, I think that is what they're going for. The only real reason to boost damage of LA and to make them weigh heavier on your resource stack is to augment DPS for underperformers. I think that casual players will see the most benefit from this, and probably be able to participate in content they might not have been able to otherwise.

    Not sure how that will end up. Like you said, I'm not sure if its good or bad.
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  • Azyle1
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    Kanar wrote: »
    Currently on live, typical vet HM trials groups are 4 stam at most. Once the gap between stam and mag is closed (or even worse mag moves ahead of stam), then there will be no reason to bring stam. Melee is a liability not a benefit, unless it does more damage.

    Right, I fear this as well.
  • XGCAlbatr0ss
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    Well i have one of each class, except mag warden. So if it goes back to magic than ill play magic and let my stam toons rest for a year (outside of pvp since stam will always be king there)
    Edited by XGCAlbatr0ss on April 26, 2018 6:50PM
  • Vahrokh
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    Phage wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

    If it gives even a 1% increase over stam, leaderboard guilds will go back to the mag meta.

    Doesn't mean you have to go along with it. Damn the meta, man your stam.
    Vaoh wrote: »
    Good to know. Ty. I’m really curious now if ZOS will let Summerset launch this way. DPS seems too high across the board. All trials besides Cloudrest will become so easy...

    Doesn't seem so to me. Mag DPS is looking more competitive vs Stam, that's all. If it was really too strong, there would be ample evidence of it and it'd be all over the PTS right now.

    Yay, switching from everybody = stamblade to everybody = magblade.

    Clearly, having 1 class above all, is not a class overpower case.

    It's NERF MAGICKA! No, wait, NERF MAGSORC! Just because many want them to die even in real life.
    Edited by Vahrokh on April 26, 2018 7:00PM
  • JobooAGS
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    Phage wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

    If it gives even a 1% increase over stam, leaderboard guilds will go back to the mag meta.

    Doesn't mean you have to go along with it. Damn the meta, man your stam.

    That is what I fear, the meta going back to mag and having stam being worthless for pve in endgame, as you pointed out, if mag has the advantage over stam, there will be no stam. If there were a ranged stam option that endgame leaderboard raids want, then I'd be fine or even a reason to maintain stam in raids
  • beetleklee
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    Tasear wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

    Instead of 7 Stam dps meta?

    It hasn't been a 7 stam meta. More like half the DPS is stam and the other half is magblade/sorc, and vAS+2 is all magicka ranged, most being magblades. Some fights are rough when you have to many melee (curses in first boss vMoL, last boss vAA, top boss in vHRC favors ranged)
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