Those that have played the PTS... Is Stam getting shafted?

Azyle1

Just curious. I've seen some ridiculous mag numbers now (like 56K on a 6million dummy).

In general does stam look like it is going to take a back seat to mag this Xpac?

red_emu

Not at all. Just bringing up some mag set ups to be on par with stam. Lots of Mag stuff got nerfed or resigned completely. Like MagBlade is now forced to be a DD sorc and magDK is now forced to be a healer. Stam is pretty much where it is. StamBlade one button kill, stam warden unstoppable liking machine. Stam Templar. Well that's been in the bin a loooong time.

Cellentel

red_emu wrote: »

, stam warden unstoppable liking machine..

Next Facebook scandal will be stam wardens liking everything and messing up people’s feeds.

D0PAMINE

On the PTS my Magblade was self buffing to 5.2k spell damage so im excited. My stam toons are stronger as well.

Sixty5

Everything is pulling higher numbers than before.

However magicka builds are doing so with a much higher margin.

Stam seems to be solo.parsing 40-45k at the top end, with magicka hitting 45-50k.

Best parse I've seen so far was a magblade who pulled 68k solo on a 3m dummy.

So basically, everything is viable, but magicka dps is a lot more viable than anything else, and nightblades are still dumb.

Rex-Umbra

Stam will be dominating pvp

Kanar

Yes stam is getting shafted because this is the buff magicka patch. Every major choice they made was to buff magicka; some of those choices had an incidental impact to stam, like the 2h set changes.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/404337/magicka-supremacy-returns-with-summerset/p1

Rohaus

Way too earlier to make a proper assessment at this point. Imbued weapons testing seems awesome on my Stam toons.

fastolfv_ESO

the only decent sets usable atm from summerset are for solo stam chars in pvp so i would say atleast in pvp expect more boring i dodge all day stam builds being even stronger

Heka Cain

You all talk like each of you only have one toon levelled!

Azyle1

Heka Cain wrote: »

You all talk like each of you only have one toon levelled!

Well, actually all I have is a stamblade.

And I only PVE, not PVP.

flguy147ub17_ESO

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Stam will be dominating pvp

Heard a very reputable PVPer on the PTS say the same thing. He said something like 90% of players in PVP will be stamina. I still will be Magicka.

JobooAGS

I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

Guarlet

JobooAGS wrote: »

I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

This is all I'm worried about right now. I'm fine with closing the gap between magicka and stam DPS, since the gap was kind of large. But magicka should not be pulling HIGHER numbers than stam, otherwise there will be no reason to take stamina DPS into trials yet again. I hope the devs understand this and will adjust accordingly if this is indeed how things are on the PTS (I haven't tested on it, myself).

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

red_emu wrote: »

Not at all. Just bringing up some mag set ups to be on par with stam. Lots of Mag stuff got nerfed or resigned completely. Like MagBlade is now forced to be a DD sorc and magDK is now forced to be a healer. Stam is pretty much where it is. StamBlade one button kill, stam warden unstoppable liking machine. Stam Templar. Well that's been in the bin a loooong time.

Only in PVP, right?

Tasear

JobooAGS wrote: »

I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

Instead of 7 Stam dps meta?

Vaoh

Sixty5 wrote: »

Everything is pulling higher numbers than before.

However magicka builds are doing so with a much higher margin.

Stam seems to be solo.parsing 40-45k at the top end, with magicka hitting 45-50k.

Best parse I've seen so far was a magblade who pulled 68k solo on a 3m dummy.

So basically, everything is viable, but magicka dps is a lot more viable than anything else, and nightblades are still dumb.

Ehhh idk about that @Sixty5

I legit just watched a video of @Gilliamtherogue testing Stam NB DPS looking at Crushing Weapon vs Surprise Attack, and he was parsing something like 49-52K across parses, which is way higher than your "40-45K top end" number.

Not saying that Magicka isn't going to be more desirable in general than Stam next patch. I honestly don't know because I'm on console so I can't test anything at all.

Also please link he vid of Mag NB pulling 68K solo vs a 3mil target dummy. I really have to see it to believe it lol.

JobooAGS

Tasear wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

Instead of 7 Stam dps meta?

Mag always has a spot in raids, and I never heard of 7 stam dps unless you have some ranged stam. Plus 8 > 7

Azyle1

JobooAGS wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

Instead of 7 Stam dps meta?

Mag always has a spot in raids, and I never heard of 7 stam dps unless you have some ranged stam. Plus 8 > 7

Right now the people run 4 stam and 4 mag. If stam gets shafted though it'll be like 6 mag and 2 stam. If not more mag, that is.

Sixty5

Vaoh wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Everything is pulling higher numbers than before.

However magicka builds are doing so with a much higher margin.

Stam seems to be solo.parsing 40-45k at the top end, with magicka hitting 45-50k.

Best parse I've seen so far was a magblade who pulled 68k solo on a 3m dummy.

So basically, everything is viable, but magicka dps is a lot more viable than anything else, and nightblades are still dumb.

Ehhh idk about that @Sixty5

I legit just watched a video of @Gilliamtherogue testing Stam NB DPS looking at Crushing Weapon vs Surprise Attack, and he was parsing something like 49-52K across parses, which is way higher than your "40-45K top end" number.

Not saying that Magicka isn't going to be more desirable in general than Stam next patch. I honestly don't know because I'm on console so I can't test anything at all.

Also please link he vid of Mag NB pulling 68K solo vs a 3mil target dummy. I really have to see it to believe it lol.

@Vaoh

I was talking about on average, rather than absolute top end

And here's a 71k Magblade parse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_kidQ2gHU

Vaoh

Sixty5 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Everything is pulling higher numbers than before.

However magicka builds are doing so with a much higher margin.

Stam seems to be solo.parsing 40-45k at the top end, with magicka hitting 45-50k.

Best parse I've seen so far was a magblade who pulled 68k solo on a 3m dummy.

So basically, everything is viable, but magicka dps is a lot more viable than anything else, and nightblades are still dumb.

Ehhh idk about that @Sixty5

I legit just watched a video of @Gilliamtherogue testing Stam NB DPS looking at Crushing Weapon vs Surprise Attack, and he was parsing something like 49-52K across parses, which is way higher than your "40-45K top end" number.

Not saying that Magicka isn't going to be more desirable in general than Stam next patch. I honestly don't know because I'm on console so I can't test anything at all.

Also please link he vid of Mag NB pulling 68K solo vs a 3mil target dummy. I really have to see it to believe it lol.

@Vaoh

I was talking about on average, rather than absolute top end

And here's a 71k Magblade parse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_kidQ2gHU

That’s insane..... I’ve seen ppl saying that Mag Warden is viable now with like 47K solo parses - meanwhile Mag NB gets 71K

Is this totally legit or is there a bug (I hear Infused jewelry trait is bugged) that amps DPS more than it’s meant to be?

Sixty5

Vaoh wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Everything is pulling higher numbers than before.

However magicka builds are doing so with a much higher margin.

Stam seems to be solo.parsing 40-45k at the top end, with magicka hitting 45-50k.

Best parse I've seen so far was a magblade who pulled 68k solo on a 3m dummy.

So basically, everything is viable, but magicka dps is a lot more viable than anything else, and nightblades are still dumb.

Ehhh idk about that @Sixty5

I legit just watched a video of @Gilliamtherogue testing Stam NB DPS looking at Crushing Weapon vs Surprise Attack, and he was parsing something like 49-52K across parses, which is way higher than your "40-45K top end" number.

Not saying that Magicka isn't going to be more desirable in general than Stam next patch. I honestly don't know because I'm on console so I can't test anything at all.

Also please link he vid of Mag NB pulling 68K solo vs a 3mil target dummy. I really have to see it to believe it lol.

@Vaoh

I was talking about on average, rather than absolute top end

And here's a 71k Magblade parse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_kidQ2gHU

That’s insane..... I’ve seen ppl saying that Mag Warden is viable now with like 47K solo parses - meanwhile Mag NB gets 71K

Is this totally legit or is there a bug (I hear Infused jewelry trait is bugged) that amps DPS more than it’s meant to be?

Only trait cheese here is multiplicative bloodthirsty IIRC.

Infused works correctly with phys and spell damage glyphs.

Vaoh

Sixty5 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Everything is pulling higher numbers than before.

However magicka builds are doing so with a much higher margin.

Stam seems to be solo.parsing 40-45k at the top end, with magicka hitting 45-50k.

Best parse I've seen so far was a magblade who pulled 68k solo on a 3m dummy.

So basically, everything is viable, but magicka dps is a lot more viable than anything else, and nightblades are still dumb.

Ehhh idk about that @Sixty5

I legit just watched a video of @Gilliamtherogue testing Stam NB DPS looking at Crushing Weapon vs Surprise Attack, and he was parsing something like 49-52K across parses, which is way higher than your "40-45K top end" number.

Not saying that Magicka isn't going to be more desirable in general than Stam next patch. I honestly don't know because I'm on console so I can't test anything at all.

Also please link he vid of Mag NB pulling 68K solo vs a 3mil target dummy. I really have to see it to believe it lol.

@Vaoh

I was talking about on average, rather than absolute top end

And here's a 71k Magblade parse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_kidQ2gHU

That’s insane..... I’ve seen ppl saying that Mag Warden is viable now with like 47K solo parses - meanwhile Mag NB gets 71K

Is this totally legit or is there a bug (I hear Infused jewelry trait is bugged) that amps DPS more than it’s meant to be?

Only trait cheese here is multiplicative bloodthirsty IIRC.

Infused works correctly with phys and spell damage glyphs.

Good to know. Ty. I’m really curious now if ZOS will let Summerset launch this way. DPS seems too high across the board. All trials besides Cloudrest will become so easy...

xaraan

Getting the shaft? Not completely I guess... stam is still solid for pvp and for most content more than good enough; but if you compare mag/stam dps to each other for something like an end-game raid: maybe a little.

I mean, do you want to run a build that doesn't have good shields (don't try to compare bone shield to ward or harness), has to stand up next to or inside all the craziness instead of being at range, has to lose a lot of their damage every time they have to reposition, and do thousands less dps, then run a stammy. There is a reason you don't see a lot of stam in vAS HMs even on live currently (fights are often not designed very melee friendly these days) - with mag dps being higher there is even less reason to run one.

grannas211

Are you guys serious? Robust heavy armor weapon damage sets alone should tell you to drop the woe is me attitude.

JJBoomer

it funny how people constantly cry for balance, but then once gaps are closed, then people start threads like this. "omg how caqn something be better than this!" You can't want balance but then still insist that magicka or stam be better than the other LOL

D0PAMINE

@Vaoh Is the infused bug present reguardless of the enchantment?

Vaoh

D0PAMINE wrote: »

@Vaoh Is the infused bug present reguardless of the enchantment?

Pretty sure it’s only some enchants, like bloodthirsty and potion cooldown reduction. Idk all of the details. I’m a console player

AlienatedGoat

JobooAGS wrote: »

I hope it will not revert to the 8 mag dps meta again in pve

If it gives even a 1% increase over stam, leaderboard guilds will go back to the mag meta.

Doesn't mean you have to go along with it. Damn the meta, man your stam.

Vaoh wrote: »

Good to know. Ty. I’m really curious now if ZOS will let Summerset launch this way. DPS seems too high across the board. All trials besides Cloudrest will become so easy...

Doesn't seem so to me. Mag DPS is looking more competitive vs Stam, that's all. If it was really too strong, there would be ample evidence of it and it'd be all over the PTS right now.

Ihatenightblades

red_emu wrote: »

Not at all. Just bringing up some mag set ups to be on par with stam. Lots of Mag stuff got nerfed or resigned completely. Like MagBlade is now forced to be a DD sorc and magDK is now forced to be a healer. Stam is pretty much where it is. StamBlade one button kill, stam warden unstoppable liking machine. Stam Templar. Well that's been in the bin a loooong time.

What are you talking about?

AlienatedGoat

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Not at all. Just bringing up some mag set ups to be on par with stam. Lots of Mag stuff got nerfed or resigned completely. Like MagBlade is now forced to be a DD sorc and magDK is now forced to be a healer. Stam is pretty much where it is. StamBlade one button kill, stam warden unstoppable liking machine. Stam Templar. Well that's been in the bin a loooong time.

What are you talking about?