Let us come together and explore catch up mechanics for TESO.

_Salty_ · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Can the mods set a limit to how many threads someone can make in a 24 hour period please.......Im trying hard to follow the forums guidelines about conduct, but the OP is making it hard not to get myself banned......

How would me making a thread get you banned? Also, I would kindly ask that you only post relevant discussion in my thread and forward any issues or questions regarding the community guidelines to the moderators.

^ as above @_Salty_ just report threads in breach of rules / duplicating other open ones / recently shut etc etc. Don't get frustrated.

Im not frustrated lol. Just having trouble biting my tongue lol

Salty, do you have any opinions regarding the training program or catch up mechanics?

I'd be very happy to see your ideas.

The catch up mechanics are fine as they are. You don't have to constantly try to change game mechanics with every thread you post.

Salty, some members have expressed the need for a training program. Do you agree with this?

Read a guide. Join a guild. Watch YouTube Videos. We live in the age of incredible access to information. Anything we want to know is literally at our fingertips.

The point of guilds is to teach new players and foster a strong community with a knowledgeable player base. Zos can't even balance their game, why put more on their plate.

Knowledge · April 2018

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Can the mods set a limit to how many threads someone can make in a 24 hour period please.......Im trying hard to follow the forums guidelines about conduct, but the OP is making it hard not to get myself banned......

How would me making a thread get you banned? Also, I would kindly ask that you only post relevant discussion in my thread and forward any issues or questions regarding the community guidelines to the moderators.

^ as above @_Salty_ just report threads in breach of rules / duplicating other open ones / recently shut etc etc. Don't get frustrated.

Im not frustrated lol. Just having trouble biting my tongue lol

Salty, do you have any opinions regarding the training program or catch up mechanics?

I'd be very happy to see your ideas.

The catch up mechanics are fine as they are. You don't have to constantly try to change game mechanics with every thread you post.

Salty, some members have expressed the need for a training program. Do you agree with this?

Read a guide. Join a guild. Watch YouTube Videos. We live in the age of incredible access to information. Anything we want to know is literally at our fingertips.

The point of guilds is to teach new players and foster a strong community with a knowledgeable player base. Zos can't even balance their game, why put more on their plate.

I personally think the game balance is coming closer and closer to perfection. With the Psijic Order line, changes to classes and skills, I think Summerset will bring us even closer.

AzraelKrieg · April 2018

Beardimus · April 2018

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Can the mods set a limit to how many threads someone can make in a 24 hour period please.......Im trying hard to follow the forums guidelines about conduct, but the OP is making it hard not to get myself banned......

How would me making a thread get you banned? Also, I would kindly ask that you only post relevant discussion in my thread and forward any issues or questions regarding the community guidelines to the moderators.

^ as above @_Salty_ just report threads in breach of rules / duplicating other open ones / recently shut etc etc. Don't get frustrated.

Im not frustrated lol. Just having trouble biting my tongue lol

Salty, do you have any opinions regarding the training program or catch up mechanics?

I'd be very happy to see your ideas.

The catch up mechanics are fine as they are. You don't have to constantly try to change game mechanics with every thread you post.

Salty, some members have expressed the need for a training program. Do you agree with this?

Read a guide. Join a guild. Watch YouTube Videos. We live in the age of incredible access to information. Anything we want to know is literally at our fingertips.

The point of guilds is to teach new players and foster a strong community with a knowledgeable player base. Zos can't even balance their game, why put more on their plate.

Spot on @_Salty_ everything you have said in this thread is perfect.

@Knowledge you are trying to fix things that aren't broke. Guilds help people through dungeons, its an MMO. Players help players. Training programmes / tutorials dont help. There's a siege tutorial in Cyrodiil does it help people siege? No. Does the sailing prison prep people a 40k DPS pass? No.

Lets keep context here. People didn't create a thread about training programme they said it in response to you saying catchup is needed. They would prefer the later over the former is my take on the progress in this thread.

Personally most of this thread was covered in another recent catch-up thread so I feel its a duplicate conversation.

Forum training might be needed

actually said that as a joke but typing it and seeing the recent spate of threads about duplicate issues, and responses it maybe wouldn't be a bad thing. It's hard sometimes to know how to respond.

Knowledge · April 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Can the mods set a limit to how many threads someone can make in a 24 hour period please.......Im trying hard to follow the forums guidelines about conduct, but the OP is making it hard not to get myself banned......

How would me making a thread get you banned? Also, I would kindly ask that you only post relevant discussion in my thread and forward any issues or questions regarding the community guidelines to the moderators.

^ as above @_Salty_ just report threads in breach of rules / duplicating other open ones / recently shut etc etc. Don't get frustrated.

Im not frustrated lol. Just having trouble biting my tongue lol

Salty, do you have any opinions regarding the training program or catch up mechanics?

I'd be very happy to see your ideas.

The catch up mechanics are fine as they are. You don't have to constantly try to change game mechanics with every thread you post.

Salty, some members have expressed the need for a training program. Do you agree with this?

Read a guide. Join a guild. Watch YouTube Videos. We live in the age of incredible access to information. Anything we want to know is literally at our fingertips.

The point of guilds is to teach new players and foster a strong community with a knowledgeable player base. Zos can't even balance their game, why put more on their plate.

Spot on @_Salty_ everything you have said in this thread is perfect.

@Knowledge you are trying to fix things that aren't broke. Guilds help people through dungeons, its an MMO. Players help players. Training programmes / tutorials dont help. There's a siege tutorial in Cyrodiil does it help people siege? No. Does the sailing prison prep people a 40k DPS pass? No.

Lets keep context here. People didn't create a thread about training programme they said it in response to you saying catchup is needed. They would prefer the later over the former is my take on the progress in this thread.

Personally most of this thread was covered in another recent catch-up thread so I feel its a duplicate conversation.

Forum training might be needed actually said that as a joke but typing it and seeing the recent spate of threads about duplicate issues, and responses it maybe wouldn't be a bad thing. It's hard sometimes to know how to respond.

Thank you for your lengthy submission, Beardimus. It was very informative.

Beardimus · April 2018

@knowledge could you shed some light on how you feel? I.e. What this thread is trying to achieve.

Are you leveling alts in the event and this sparked the need for this discussion? Or do you struggle to get guild support to train for hard vet content

Curious on your view.

Beardimus · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Can the mods set a limit to how many threads someone can make in a 24 hour period please.......Im trying hard to follow the forums guidelines about conduct, but the OP is making it hard not to get myself banned......

How would me making a thread get you banned? Also, I would kindly ask that you only post relevant discussion in my thread and forward any issues or questions regarding the community guidelines to the moderators.

^ as above @_Salty_ just report threads in breach of rules / duplicating other open ones / recently shut etc etc. Don't get frustrated.

Im not frustrated lol. Just having trouble biting my tongue lol

Salty, do you have any opinions regarding the training program or catch up mechanics?

I'd be very happy to see your ideas.

The catch up mechanics are fine as they are. You don't have to constantly try to change game mechanics with every thread you post.

Salty, some members have expressed the need for a training program. Do you agree with this?

Read a guide. Join a guild. Watch YouTube Videos. We live in the age of incredible access to information. Anything we want to know is literally at our fingertips.

The point of guilds is to teach new players and foster a strong community with a knowledgeable player base. Zos can't even balance their game, why put more on their plate.

I personally think the game balance is coming closer and closer to perfection. With the Psijic Order line, changes to classes and skills, I think Summerset will bring us even closer.

Just saw this too. That's a derail summerset balance needs its own thread. As I disagree MSorcs are getting none of what they need. But this thread is not the place

SickDuck · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

What good will catch-up mechanisms do if they don't teach people to play?

We need better tutorials/tips for how to do an end-game DPS rotation, healers get good buff/debuff/heals uptime, and tanks who can taunt, debuff and CC. And that's not even touching the steep PVP learning curve.

Without better training and tutorials, catch up mechanisms create CP 720 players with no freaking clue how to play.

VaranisArano, doing things like gathering mage books for your ten different characters isn't going to teach you how to play.

I wish they made the Undaunted passives only effective when inside a dungeon, delve or trial. That would finally make people stfu about it.

Knowledge · April 2018

SickDuck wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

What good will catch-up mechanisms do if they don't teach people to play?

We need better tutorials/tips for how to do an end-game DPS rotation, healers get good buff/debuff/heals uptime, and tanks who can taunt, debuff and CC. And that's not even touching the steep PVP learning curve.

Without better training and tutorials, catch up mechanisms create CP 720 players with no freaking clue how to play.

VaranisArano, doing things like gathering mage books for your ten different characters isn't going to teach you how to play.

I wish they made the Undaunted passives only effective when inside a dungeon, delve or trial. That would finally make people stfu about it.

This is a very good idea.

Beardimus · April 2018

How would that help? Just curious.

Mureel · April 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k

Garwulf · April 2018

Since Dumb Tamriel, most of this game has been reduced to beginner level. If they make it easier to get the only thing really slightly useful in this game, CP , then they might as well give you a fully levelled , max CP character out of the proverbial box.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · April 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

More enlightenment or a larger multiplier for it.

Would you advocate enlightenment potions?

No, I think just an upgrade to the existing mechanic that people have access to regardless of gold or crowns/real cash.

Knowledge wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Solo training arena broke up into three difficulties(gold, silver, bronze) in the three roles(DPS, healing, tank). By completing each tier you get a role appropriate weapon similar to the prophet weapons you get while leveling. These weapons become the base line entry level equipment for vet dungeons.

I believe they have that in World of Warcraft too. Thanks for your submission.

STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS WoW!
All of your threads are " Can We Have A Token Like WoW Because I Want It Now!".
Go play WoW.
As said, your suggestions are aimed at things that dont need fixed.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

This.... ^^^^^^ You and Doc ESO, please !!! This^^^^^^

Mureel · April 2018

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

More enlightenment or a larger multiplier for it.

Would you advocate enlightenment potions?

No, I think just an upgrade to the existing mechanic that people have access to regardless of gold or crowns/real cash.

Knowledge wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Solo training arena broke up into three difficulties(gold, silver, bronze) in the three roles(DPS, healing, tank). By completing each tier you get a role appropriate weapon similar to the prophet weapons you get while leveling. These weapons become the base line entry level equipment for vet dungeons.

I believe they have that in World of Warcraft too. Thanks for your submission.

STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS WoW!
All of your threads are " Can We Have A Token Like WoW Because I Want It Now!".
Go play WoW.
As said, your suggestions are aimed at things that dont need fixed.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

This.... ^^^^^^ You and Doc ESO, please !!! This^^^^^^

This. So sick of seeing their *** topics.

Ectheliontnacil · April 2018

If you're concerned about leveling alts, don't be. Outside of the xp events I level to 15-20 and then start doing normal randoms and attempt to complete every normal dungeon I have access to. At the same time I will do all 15 undaunted dailies. By the time you hit lvl 50 with this strategy you will be at undaunted 6 roughly. 2 more days and you can casually get to 9.

Xp bonuses are not helpful at all when leveling an alt. The bonuses do not applyto your guild skill lines and by the time your guilds are levelled, you will most certainly be at lvl 50.

Knowledge · May 2018

Garwulf wrote: »

Since Dumb Tamriel, most of this game has been reduced to beginner level. If they make it easier to get the only thing really slightly useful in this game, CP , then they might as well give you a fully levelled , max CP character out of the proverbial box.

Maybe some of the trials and veteran dungeons should be made a little bit easier. They do this in FFXIV every few patches to older content.

Aliyavana · May 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Garwulf wrote: »

Since Dumb Tamriel, most of this game has been reduced to beginner level. If they make it easier to get the only thing really slightly useful in this game, CP , then they might as well give you a fully levelled , max CP character out of the proverbial box.

Maybe some of the trials and veteran dungeons should be made a little bit easier. They do this in FFXIV every few patches to older content.

The dungeons and trials have had guides up for months and they already get easier with the cp and gear creep. If hm is too hard regular vet is there for them. It's called HARD mode. If veteran is too hard normal is there for them, it's for VETERANS

Knowledge · May 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Garwulf wrote: »

Since Dumb Tamriel, most of this game has been reduced to beginner level. If they make it easier to get the only thing really slightly useful in this game, CP , then they might as well give you a fully levelled , max CP character out of the proverbial box.

Maybe some of the trials and veteran dungeons should be made a little bit easier. They do this in FFXIV every few patches to older content.

The dungeons and trials have had guides up for months and they already get easier with the cp and gear creep. If hm is too hard regular vet is there for them. It's called HARD mode. If veteran is too hard normal is there for them, it's for VETERANS

Would you say Fungal Grotto I Veteran Hard Mode is Hard?

Aliyavana · May 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Garwulf wrote: »

Since Dumb Tamriel, most of this game has been reduced to beginner level. If they make it easier to get the only thing really slightly useful in this game, CP , then they might as well give you a fully levelled , max CP character out of the proverbial box.

Maybe some of the trials and veteran dungeons should be made a little bit easier. They do this in FFXIV every few patches to older content.

The dungeons and trials have had guides up for months and they already get easier with the cp and gear creep. If hm is too hard regular vet is there for them. It's called HARD mode. If veteran is too hard normal is there for them, it's for VETERANS

Would you say Fungal Grotto I Veteran Hard Mode is Hard?

For some players yes, I see them die plenty of times to the red no matter how many warnings you give them. It's good for an introduction to hard modes and to expect punishing mechanics like one shots

Knowledge · May 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Garwulf wrote: »

Since Dumb Tamriel, most of this game has been reduced to beginner level. If they make it easier to get the only thing really slightly useful in this game, CP , then they might as well give you a fully levelled , max CP character out of the proverbial box.

Maybe some of the trials and veteran dungeons should be made a little bit easier. They do this in FFXIV every few patches to older content.

The dungeons and trials have had guides up for months and they already get easier with the cp and gear creep. If hm is too hard regular vet is there for them. It's called HARD mode. If veteran is too hard normal is there for them, it's for VETERANS

Would you say Fungal Grotto I Veteran Hard Mode is Hard?

For some players yes, I see them die plenty of times to the red no matter how many warnings you give them. It's good for an introduction to hard modes and to expect punishing mechanics like one shots

Are you kidding or being seriously?

Aliyavana · May 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Garwulf wrote: »

Since Dumb Tamriel, most of this game has been reduced to beginner level. If they make it easier to get the only thing really slightly useful in this game, CP , then they might as well give you a fully levelled , max CP character out of the proverbial box.

Maybe some of the trials and veteran dungeons should be made a little bit easier. They do this in FFXIV every few patches to older content.

The dungeons and trials have had guides up for months and they already get easier with the cp and gear creep. If hm is too hard regular vet is there for them. It's called HARD mode. If veteran is too hard normal is there for them, it's for VETERANS

Would you say Fungal Grotto I Veteran Hard Mode is Hard?

For some players yes, I see them die plenty of times to the red no matter how many warnings you give them. It's good for an introduction to hard modes and to expect punishing mechanics like one shots

Are you kidding or being seriously?

That phrase can be interpreted differently depending on person and you can't hear a person's intended tone of voice through text and could come off as rude and baiting so careful. I'm serious, Fg1 hm is easily solable for vets like me but the overland content is so easy that it doesn't punish players enough for standing in stupid and so fg1 is a good way to teach new players to gtfo of the red or get one shot which is essential for upper tier content.

You can't push a player to say go straight into dlc dungeon and vma type difficulty as they need the cushioning of simple vet dungeons like fg1 to teach them the basics of getting better without wanting to turn off and want to even attempt to get better.

Vapirko · May 2018

Instant mages/undaunted/fighters guild level ups? Let’s do it. Screw grinding that *** it on every different toon I want to PvP with.

JKorr · May 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

What good will catch-up mechanisms do if they don't teach people to play?

We need better tutorials/tips for how to do an end-game DPS rotation, healers get good buff/debuff/heals uptime, and tanks who can taunt, debuff and CC. And that's not even touching the steep PVP learning curve.

Without better training and tutorials, catch up mechanisms create CP 720 players with no freaking clue how to play.

VaranisArano, doing things like gathering mage books for your ten different characters isn't going to teach you how to play.

Of course not. Every book you need to find is out in the open, within 2 feet of a wayshrine, no enemies to fight through, absolutely nothing that requires using any of your character's skills or abilities.

Oh, wait..... :dim, vague memories of needing to go into delves, fight bosses, fight mobs, and generally use skills and abilities to get the books my character was sent after....: Nope. Apparently I didn't learn a blessed thing. Even though my characters leveled and morphed abilities. /sarcasm.

Getern · May 2018

Whenever I read, OPs thread I always find how ironic his nickname is.

Aesthier · May 2018

Getern wrote: »

Whenever I read, OPs thread I always find how ironic his nickname is.

I tried making an account named Wisdom to counter these types of things but someone already has it, most likely Knowledge ROFL.

Knowledge · May 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

Instant mages/undaunted/fighters guild level ups? Let’s do it. Screw grinding that *** it on every different toon I want to PvP with.

I wholeheartedly agree. Maybe it could be on the crown store or for gold if you have it leveled on one character already.

PlagueSD · May 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

Sell them boost tokens to just be created at max level. Have the login screen just be the dungeon finder and these people will be quite happy.

Oh God no...We already have enough "bads" in the dungeon finder now just sitting in the back spamming light attack with their bow. We don't need more...