Can ZOS make the promise to keep motif pages in blue （common）crate reward?

Lyserus · April 2018

I think we all know the answer to that.

“keep crate's blue reward more exciting” This is ZOS's excuse to put up crown crate exclusive motifs, and we all know too well the strategy here, SOON there will be super rare exclusive motif book since why not we already have common pages, then SOON there will be super rare motif pages since why not we already have super rare motif book. Who knows next, motif as radiant reward?

With each compromise ZOS will try to squzze us further. If we are stupid enough to accept this reason again （and come on, “you can alternatively purchase them with CROWN GEM”? you call that alternate??）then playerbase as a whole probably deserve this treatment.

A line must be draw for each one of us to tolerate ZOS's so called “market strategy”, and I believe many are like me with these 2: 1.Exclusive Motifs should stay in book not pages, and pricing should be like Grim or Frostcaster. 2.Motifs should stay out of crown crates.

I know that everyone got their own line, but know that this is a gateway, tolerating further, and your lines will be met one day.

Lyserus · April 2018

And heck I won't be this hassling if ZOS actually made non-crown motifs good. Go check on in-game summerset motifs, you'd be suprise how liitle effort they made on them, and how much on maormer one.

Turelus · April 2018

I have no faith at all they won't change this in future updates. ZOS marketing and monetisation teams have done nothing to give me a reason to trust them yet.

I'm also very curious to see if all the pages in the blue category actually have the same drop chance.

VaranisArano · April 2018

None of these changes to make crown crate rewards "more exciting" are anywhere near as good for the consumer as just putting the items in the Crown Store for direct purchase would be.

"More,exciting" blue tier rewards or not, I'm still not buying your Crown Crates, ZOS.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · April 2018

I would love to have radiant apex motifs.

Prof_Bawbag · April 2018

It's more to do with making the drops garbage and even less chance to win the half decent purple rewards. We see it already with the 5th card we get from time to time. The 5th card was always a good drop, now it's almost always absolute junk. It's so they can make everything else rarer basically.

TheCyberDruid · April 2018

The sad bit is that now we have threads dealing with 'can we please stop here?'. I've only been around for half a year, but I can see where this is going. There's no stopping it because some people will buy into almost everything and as long as ZOS gets the money from them there is no need to stop anything.

Ley · April 2018

Considering how often I get free crates and the addition of daily rewards which have a chance of granting crates, this change seems ok. I don't see myself ever buying a motif from the crown store directly so at least now I have a shot at getting these styles.

Elsonso · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

I have no faith at all they won't change this in future updates. ZOS marketing and monetisation teams have done nothing to give me a reason to trust them yet.

I have been feeling that way about ZOS, in general, over the last few months. After dealing with a company for a few years, I can usually get a sense for them, what they think is important, how they do business, what their business philosophy is, etc. It is all part of learning the "brand" and being able to establish a brand identity for a company.

Every business is in the business to make money. That is a given. For me, brand identity is what the company does beyond that. It is how they approach the customers, the value that they want to provide, and how they go about the business of making money.

I don't get that with ZOS.

ParaNostram · April 2018

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

The sad bit is that now we have threads dealing with 'can we please stop here?'. I've only been around for half a year, but I can see where this is going. There's no stopping it because some people will buy into almost everything and as long as ZOS gets the money from them there is no need to stop anything.

We're the Frog being boiled alive in water, they slowly turned up the heat bit by bit and now here we are. Remember the outrage over the existence of crown exclusive motif books? Now we're getting gamble crate exclusive motif chapters.

Elsonso · April 2018

ParaNostram wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

The sad bit is that now we have threads dealing with 'can we please stop here?'. I've only been around for half a year, but I can see where this is going. There's no stopping it because some people will buy into almost everything and as long as ZOS gets the money from them there is no need to stop anything.

We're the Frog being boiled alive in water, they slowly turned up the heat bit by bit and now here we are. Remember the outrage over the existence of crown exclusive motif books? Now we're getting gamble crate exclusive motif chapters.

Pretty much. At each stage, we beg them not to go any further. When they do, we beg them not to go any further.

To be fair, there are some out there that are egging them on, and hoards that don't care, and that probably carries more weight. We always tend to approve of people who agree with us, or just have nothing to day, rather than people who challenge us.

Turelus · April 2018

Ley wrote: »

Considering how often I get free crates and the addition of daily rewards which have a chance of granting crates, this change seems ok. I don't see myself ever buying a motif from the crown store directly so at least now I have a shot at getting these styles.

Don't fool yourself into thinking you'll get 14 unique pages from one season on free rewards alone.
People who want this motif complete will have to buy crates, whether to get rolls on the motif or the gems for the pages.

pod88kk · April 2018

If they make it so the only way you can get motifs is by buying each page & or gambling in the crown crates then it would appear that ice gotten the most motifs I can(All so far). Pity

Elsonso · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Considering how often I get free crates and the addition of daily rewards which have a chance of granting crates, this change seems ok. I don't see myself ever buying a motif from the crown store directly so at least now I have a shot at getting these styles.

Don't fool yourself into thinking you'll get 14 unique pages from one season on free rewards alone.
People who want this motif complete will have to buy crates, whether to get rolls on the motif or the gems for the pages.

Oh yeah. This is a whole new level of "evil" for the loot boxes. How many loot crates will you have to buy to get the entire motif? Duplicates are a certainty, and the next level of "evil" would be not allowing the motif to be purchased with gems. Maybe they will allow gem purchases... this time. It is only a matter of time before they put a "super special" radiant motif in loot boxes.

Valkysas154 · April 2018

No they can not
All DLC free for eso+ broken
i been in the pts since hews bane i have not seen 1 minor bug be fixed no matter how annoying it is -stuck sit in chair bug-
not 1 thing changed no matter the info given them in pts be for it hits live

and we can prob go ahead and count this as a broken promise as well
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318400/ideas-for-eso-plus/p1
There prob going to say MW is now eso+ so no need!

Honestly there are only 2 things i really still want - spellcrafting and skyrim-
after that i think it's going to be a bit tuffer to sell them DLC disguise as chapters

Been playing mmorpg since 1999 i played plenty of games with less greed from Free Asian mmorpgs

Don't get me wrong i love this game and dam there is only so much one can take when it comes to greed

Tholian1 · April 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Considering how often I get free crates and the addition of daily rewards which have a chance of granting crates, this change seems ok. I don't see myself ever buying a motif from the crown store directly so at least now I have a shot at getting these styles.

Don't fool yourself into thinking you'll get 14 unique pages from one season on free rewards alone.
People who want this motif complete will have to buy crates, whether to get rolls on the motif or the gems for the pages.

Oh yeah. This is a whole new level of "evil" for the loot boxes. How many loot crates will you have to buy to get the entire motif? Duplicates are a certainty, and the next level of "evil" would be not allowing the motif to be purchased with gems. Maybe they will allow gem purchases... this time. It is only a matter of time before they put a "super special" radiant motif in loot boxes.

For sure there will be duplicates. And how many of those duplicates will it take to get enough gems to buy the page you need?

Recremen · April 2018

Seriously, *** the gambling boxes. May that whole part of the gaming industry rot in a garbage heap.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2018

No because it’s not a promise.
Even if it was, I’d rather the promise be to remove crates and motif only crown store exclusives

randomkeyhits · April 2018

Hope no one collects motifs on more than one character.........

So if you can buy the pages with crown gems then that will be 14 slots in that section on the crown store? so what? roughly half or a third of the choices for that tier? That is some rewards dilution going on.....

The whole books I could handle this per page thing, not so much

Smaxx · April 2018

Tholian1 wrote: »

For sure there will be duplicates. And how many of those duplicates will it take to get enough gems to buy the page you need?

Four. A blue tier item typically costs 16 gems. Lucky for you, a duplicate of that tier gets you 5 gems.

Ley · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Considering how often I get free crates and the addition of daily rewards which have a chance of granting crates, this change seems ok. I don't see myself ever buying a motif from the crown store directly so at least now I have a shot at getting these styles.

Don't fool yourself into thinking you'll get 14 unique pages from one season on free rewards alone.
People who want this motif complete will have to buy crates, whether to get rolls on the motif or the gems for the pages.

I mean at least you can buy them with germs (leaving that typo) and even if I don't get the whole style, 7/14 is better than 0/14. Crown store exclusive motifs have been around for a while and as far as I'm concerned did not exist for me because I'd never buy them. At least with this change it's only diluting blue rewards, which are generally kind of "meh" and giving me a chance to get some of the style pages for free.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of crown crates but ZOS typically gives us a taste of the new crates each season for free. I'm just trying to find a silver lining. This doesn't seem like the worst change ever.

Hanokihs · April 2018

Radiant Motif Books.

I give it three crate seasons, max, before they pull this stunt. And of course people will buy crates for them, because it'll be the most glorious, detailed, and gloriously detailed armor style in the game. The dyes will even dye correctly! And anyone who loves it and doesn't get it will lose it forever, piling on the pressure. So spend, the players will.

Can you even blame them? I don't. There are no other options; you buy in and are happy, or go without and hate the game a little more. If you're lucky, you won't like any of the super rare things and can breathe a sigh of relief that you don't have to care about crates and impossible drops for another 3 or so months. (Thankfully, that's been me the last few seasons. But that new, purple ghost horse better be hideous or I'm gonna be caught between a rock and a hard place again).

Worm Cult doesn't even look that great, and the exclusivity and rarity of the drops had people going absolutely mental. They can't put the $ in ZO$ if they don't take advantage of such an opportunity to extort the life out of their playerbase.

eso_nya · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

I have no faith at all they won't change this in future updates. ZOS marketing and monetisation teams have done nothing to give me a reason to trust them yet.

I'm also very curious to see if all the pages in the blue category actually have the same drop chance.

I'd bet theres only 13 of the pages in it xD

Never trust a marketing guy. They r phsically unable to speak the truth. There was a lot of promises given and broken regarding eso+.

Aebaradath · April 2018

They'll try to start off trying looking all innocent (even though it isn't and never will be) by putting it there, but we all know it'll just get worse.

Dymence · April 2018

Recremen wrote: »

Seriously, *** the gambling boxes. May that whole part of the gaming industry rot in a garbage heap.

And it just might, with all the loot box controversy going on after EA's mistakes.

Kharnis · April 2018

ParaNostram wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

The sad bit is that now we have threads dealing with 'can we please stop here?'. I've only been around for half a year, but I can see where this is going. There's no stopping it because some people will buy into almost everything and as long as ZOS gets the money from them there is no need to stop anything.

We're the Frog being boiled alive in water, they slowly turned up the heat bit by bit and now here we are. Remember the outrage over the existence of crown exclusive motif books? Now we're getting gamble crate exclusive motif chapters.

We're not that frog. We'd noticed the heat going up before now, and we'd been grumbling louder and louder about it as time passed. EA was the company that did it, but it really could have been anyone that caused us to jump out of that pot and scare the crap out of them with how angry we are. I'm thinking that ZOS believes that, since it's only cosmetics and not any pay-to-win items, we won't lump them in the same group as EA. ZOS is playing with fire, and I don't think they have a clue as to how little our anger over lootboxes has eased.

Elsonso · April 2018

Kharnis wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

The sad bit is that now we have threads dealing with 'can we please stop here?'. I've only been around for half a year, but I can see where this is going. There's no stopping it because some people will buy into almost everything and as long as ZOS gets the money from them there is no need to stop anything.

We're the Frog being boiled alive in water, they slowly turned up the heat bit by bit and now here we are. Remember the outrage over the existence of crown exclusive motif books? Now we're getting gamble crate exclusive motif chapters.

We're not that frog. We'd noticed the heat going up before now, and we'd been grumbling louder and louder about it as time passed. [...] I'm thinking that ZOS believes that, since it's only cosmetics and not any pay-to-win items, we won't lump them in the same group as EA. ZOS is playing with fire, and I don't think they have a clue as to how little our anger over lootboxes has eased.

We are not that frog, and we have noticed that it is getting hotter. Many, including myself, are still in the "bargaining" phase where we think that, if we reason with ZOS, they will stop turning up the heat.

Turelus · April 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Kharnis wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

The sad bit is that now we have threads dealing with 'can we please stop here?'. I've only been around for half a year, but I can see where this is going. There's no stopping it because some people will buy into almost everything and as long as ZOS gets the money from them there is no need to stop anything.

We're the Frog being boiled alive in water, they slowly turned up the heat bit by bit and now here we are. Remember the outrage over the existence of crown exclusive motif books? Now we're getting gamble crate exclusive motif chapters.

We're not that frog. We'd noticed the heat going up before now, and we'd been grumbling louder and louder about it as time passed. [...] I'm thinking that ZOS believes that, since it's only cosmetics and not any pay-to-win items, we won't lump them in the same group as EA. ZOS is playing with fire, and I don't think they have a clue as to how little our anger over lootboxes has eased.

We are not that frog, and we have noticed that it is getting hotter. Many, including myself, are still in the "bargaining" phase where we think that, if we reason with ZOS, they will stop turning up the heat.

The question for many however is when does it get so hot you jump out?
I love everything ZOS do game design wise, it's just the store and marketing side which really riles me up. I honestly don't know when that will become too much for me to enjoy the gameplay any more.

I'll admit though all this fiasco with Summerset has sadly killed some of my hype for the expansion. Now it feels tainted by more things I hate and I can't just be excited for the great things we heard about before that.

Elsonso · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Kharnis wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

The sad bit is that now we have threads dealing with 'can we please stop here?'. I've only been around for half a year, but I can see where this is going. There's no stopping it because some people will buy into almost everything and as long as ZOS gets the money from them there is no need to stop anything.

We're the Frog being boiled alive in water, they slowly turned up the heat bit by bit and now here we are. Remember the outrage over the existence of crown exclusive motif books? Now we're getting gamble crate exclusive motif chapters.

We're not that frog. We'd noticed the heat going up before now, and we'd been grumbling louder and louder about it as time passed. [...] I'm thinking that ZOS believes that, since it's only cosmetics and not any pay-to-win items, we won't lump them in the same group as EA. ZOS is playing with fire, and I don't think they have a clue as to how little our anger over lootboxes has eased.

We are not that frog, and we have noticed that it is getting hotter. Many, including myself, are still in the "bargaining" phase where we think that, if we reason with ZOS, they will stop turning up the heat.

The question for many however is when does it get so hot you jump out?
I love everything ZOS do game design wise, it's just the store and marketing side which really riles me up. I honestly don't know when that will become too much for me to enjoy the gameplay any more.

I'll admit though all this fiasco with Summerset has sadly killed some of my hype for the expansion. Now it feels tainted by more things I hate and I can't just be excited for the great things we heard about before that.

The beauty of B2P bordering on F2P, without P2W, is that I don't actually have to spend any money at all to play this game.

Right now, I am paying for ESO Plus on one of my accounts, and ESO Plus seems to be the last and final product offered up by ZOS that has value for me.

From what I have seen of Summerset, there is less value there than with Morrowind. It is also cheaper than Morrowind, so they clearly understand that. Out of the gate, Jewelry Crafting is crippled to prevent people from consuming it too fast. If they change that, it stands the chance of impacting Blacksmithing. This all comes together to make the game have less value for me, whether or not I purchase Summerset.

I am on track to spend less money with ZOS, while not reducing my play time, this year. It all comes down to value. They are not adding enough of it where I spend my money. It seems to come up short.

Until they decide to make it painful to not participate in the Crown Store and Crown Crates, and I do believe that day is coming, the water is not yet too hot for me.

Ingenon · April 2018

I believe that ZOS will continue to sell exclusive cosmetic items in RNG crown crates, with little or no chance of getting them in game otherwise. They will cross the line for me when they sell BIS armor or weapons in RNG crown crates.

Noisivid · April 2018

ZOS hasn't kept their promises so far so I don't think it matters what they say.