This is Embarrassing (How Some Experienced PVP Players are Treating New Players)

TheValar85 · April 2018

In my opinion, it was the biggest mistakes from ZOs to mix together the PVE with PVP in case of Cyrodiil and Imperial city.

I dont think it is hard to make a non pvp phaced instance cyrodiil and imperial city for the pve players, while the pvp players wouldn't even sense a damn thing about that, and still they can enjoy eachothers slauther.

Anazasi · April 2018

182 posts and the clash of gaming cultures is still as confused as ever. This entire phenomena is like when the East met the West. Unless players are regularly unavoidably forced to mix the opposing cultures change will never occur. The values of each culture must be forced to compromise with the liberties of each culture in order for a new culture to be created. Good luck guys, stand your ground and don't sacrifice too many of your liberties in the name of progress. I suggest reading more of Thomas Jefferson's philosophies to gain some insights on this matter.

Beardimus · April 2018

^ full ON!

I'm standing my ground. Which is : PvP in a PvP zone is legit.

Expecting others not to play the game as intended for that zone is wrong.

Done.

Anazasi · April 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

^ full ON!

I'm standing my ground. Which is : PvP in a PvP zone is legit.

Expecting others not to play the game as intended for that zone is wrong.

Done.

I agree with you but I think the PVE community just wants to not be insulted. I am certain that they new the risk when they entered the zone.

Beardimus · April 2018

Agreed @Anazasi and if i were them i would have prepped. Sorted Impen gear, learnt to survive at least.

Adapt, over come and profit.

Or don't, get thumped and get offended.

Willard · April 2018

I wonder if I can get the Dungeon Monsters to stop attacking me since I am only in the dungeon to farm Treasure Chests for gear?

Just a thought?

VaranisArano · April 2018

Willard wrote: »

I wonder if I can get the Dungeon Monsters to stop attacking me since I am only in the dungeon to farm chest for gear?

Just a thought?

Nvm, misread.

It was a stupid joke anyway.

Caza99 · April 2018

Rylana wrote: »

Its really no different than the current crop of backpatters talking about how good they are at the game when all the good pvpers left 2-3 years ago.

Scrubs eat scrubs I guess?

Of course thats just based on some of the self-gratification I have read on the various forum threads I have lurked in for the last year or so.

God knows how much of it there is in the game itself, havent stepped foot there in a year and a half. Even then the PvP playerbase was turning into unchecked zerg trash talking mad *** all the time.

Woah a wild Rylana has appeared.

Talcyndl · April 2018

Anazasi wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

^ full ON!

I'm standing my ground. Which is : PvP in a PvP zone is legit.

Expecting others not to play the game as intended for that zone is wrong.

Done.

I agree with you but I think the PVE community just wants to not be insulted. I am certain that they new the risk when they entered the zone.

Based on some of the rage tells I've received, many of them simply want to be immune from being attacked. I've never t-bagged or sent tells to anyone I've killed in towns during the events. But I've still gotten VERY indignant messages about how I was [insert various insults here].

Note that I also didn't send tells to the NB who ganked me while I was turning in a quest at Vlas.

I did use a few detect pots in hunting him down after though.

dsalter · April 2018

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players who clearly want nothing to do with fighting or capturing flags, and are only there to quest during the anniversary event. I can fully understand killing a group of lowbies once or twice if you're unsure about their intentions, but when that group consistently tries to avoid you and never fights back or tries to flag capture, why not just leave them alone?

see it from the pvpers point of view, these guys give some of the easiest AP, are actually crippling their faction by not contributing to the PvP war effort, and will keep doing this for the petty money gains.
this kind of thing something the game really doesnt need.
those quests could have been useful for the campaign but instead they aren't. so the PvEers are infact a burden to everyone else.
this event has made it clear the last few days that IC and questers can cripple a faction since they dont actually help in ANY way at all, no buffs, no bonus points, no nothing. but hinder it in the form of taking up more prime time player slots.

Talcyndl · April 2018

dsalter wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players who clearly want nothing to do with fighting or capturing flags, and are only there to quest during the anniversary event. I can fully understand killing a group of lowbies once or twice if you're unsure about their intentions, but when that group consistently tries to avoid you and never fights back or tries to flag capture, why not just leave them alone?

see it from the pvpers point of view, these guys give some of the easiest AP, are actually crippling their faction by not contributing to the PvP war effort, and will keep doing this for the petty money gains.
this kind of thing something the game really doesnt need.
those quests could have been useful for the campaign but instead they aren't. so the PvEers are infact a burden to everyone else.
this event has made it clear the last few days that IC and questers can cripple a faction since they dont actually help in ANY way at all, no buffs, no bonus points, no nothing. but hinder it in the form of taking up more prime time player slots.

Well crap, when you put it that way....

I may need to stop killing AD or DC questers lest I drive them from Cyrodiil and thereby assist the enemy factions.

dsalter · April 2018

Talcyndl wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players who clearly want nothing to do with fighting or capturing flags, and are only there to quest during the anniversary event. I can fully understand killing a group of lowbies once or twice if you're unsure about their intentions, but when that group consistently tries to avoid you and never fights back or tries to flag capture, why not just leave them alone?

see it from the pvpers point of view, these guys give some of the easiest AP, are actually crippling their faction by not contributing to the PvP war effort, and will keep doing this for the petty money gains.
this kind of thing something the game really doesnt need.
those quests could have been useful for the campaign but instead they aren't. so the PvEers are infact a burden to everyone else.
this event has made it clear the last few days that IC and questers can cripple a faction since they dont actually help in ANY way at all, no buffs, no bonus points, no nothing. but hinder it in the form of taking up more prime time player slots.

Well crap, when you put it that way....

I may need to stop killing AD or DC questers lest I drive them from Cyrodiil and thereby assist the enemy factions.

actually by repeatedly 1 manning them they stay longer so that actually keep them blocking up useful pop during primetimes, its stupid really the only usefulness the PvEers bring is to hinder the side team they join...
this is why we need some sort of a grindable buff from those quests that applies to keep guards so when PvEer decides to go off and be useless... he can still contribute.

usmguy1234 · April 2018

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players who clearly want nothing to do with fighting or capturing flags, and are only there to quest during the anniversary event. I can fully understand killing a group of lowbies once or twice if you're unsure about their intentions, but when that group consistently tries to avoid you and never fights back or tries to flag capture, why not just leave them alone?

It's such a bad look, and I get why some people complain about the PVP experience and don't even want to try it.

I've been talking to some new players who politely asked (through xbox messaging) an enemy alliance group that kept killing them if they could just quest (because they obviously stood no chance against these players). They were met with responses full of swears, insults, and general unpleasantness so they just left and went back to PVE. It's embarrassing.

You have elitist/opportunist on both sides that make the game unenjoyable for many people. This is not solely a pvp issue.

technohic · April 2018

I wonder what would happen if I entered a PUG on vet mode and said I just wanted the dungeon helmet and if they could just let me tag along without participating in the PVE.

Itacira · April 2018

So, I'm a PvEr. I've never been to PVP zone so I'm curious. Is there something that can stop me from going to Cyrodil armor and weaponless (so they don't get damaged by death), let PVPers kill me if they find any amusement in it, wait till they get bored (read a book, make tea) and leave to rez in the same spot they stopped me ?

technohic · April 2018

Itacira wrote: »

So, I'm a PvEr. I've never been to PVP zone so I'm curious. Is there something that can stop me from going to Cyrodil armor and weaponless (so they don't get damaged by death), let PVPers kill me if they find any amusement in it, wait till they get bored (read a book, make tea) and leave to rez in the same spot they stopped me ?

No damage on gear from PvP death

Itacira · April 2018

So, I could just let people kill over and over with no consequences ? No need to fight back in vain ?

Cool

VaranisArano · April 2018

Itacira wrote: »

So, I'm a PvEr. I've never been to PVP zone so I'm curious. Is there something that can stop me from going to Cyrodil armor and weaponless (so they don't get damaged by death), let PVPers kill me if they find any amusement in it, wait till they get bored (read a book, make tea) and leave to rez in the same spot they stopped me ?

If you are killed by another player, you cannot rez in the place you died like in PVE. You have to rez at a forward camp, your home gates, or a keep/outpost/town that your alliance owns and that isn't flagged.

You can only rez in place if you die to an NPC or fall damage.

So if you die at Cropsford and your alliance owns it and it isn't flagged, you can rez at the spawn point in Cropsford. If its flagged or not owned by your alliance, you'd have to rez at your alliance's nearest keep or outpost and ride back.

Hence why so many PVEers complain about people wasting their time -because they have to ride back when killed.

cHIIMEERa · April 2018

So what a PvE-player in Cyrodiil look like?

To be fair, it's not like the PvE players has a stamp on their forehead saying "PVE PLAYER". PvP players (such as myself) used the Cyrodiil-towns to farm anniversary crates aswell. You never knew what kind of reception you were going to get when players from other alliances spotted you. The times i took the friendly approach and ignored the opponents often resulted in me getting attacked by these so called PvE-players (so i had to put them down, sorry OP).

My point? I think its pretty naive just to expect a ceasefire. You could get your fair share of Anniversary boxes from the PvE dailies.

ShadowMonarch · April 2018

Going into cyrodil knowingly unprepared and expecting it to be kind to you is a very naive childs mistake.