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[Poll] Non-Exclusive Motif Pages in Crown Crates (updated)

  • Turelus
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Astrid_V wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Another concern is Psijic crates ‘rewarding’ body markings available for free in character creation. Still no confirmation on if that’s a bug or just further evidence that ZOS doesn’t see the players as anything but cash-milking material
    This one is new to me but damn if that's not a bug that's pretty low.
    Have you or anyone else bug reported it?

    What if this is NOT a bug...?

    ZOS is very lazy, in crown crates we are always getting tons of old items which were available for direct purchase is the past, or old items with new textures, like mounts and pets.

    What if their laziness went even more further and now they will put base game features in crates?
    Then they continue to push Summerset to the lowest of lows in regards to the Crown Store. I would be willing to give them the benefit of doubt over this one, but we will see.
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  • Kybotica
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Lake wrote: »
    As one of the ex "ESO's monetization is not that bad" apologists, I'm starting to change my mind. They're wading into dodgy SWTOR downfall territory.

    Ditto. This thing reeks something awful.
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  • strangeradnd
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    I am fine with exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    If it is cosmetic only I could care less if they make it exclusive. The minute you need that motif to complete a writ my opinion will pull a 180.

    I do buy crates but I don't spend massive amounts of money on them. I get what I get and if I don't get something I would like, hey that's how RNG works and tough crap for me and I'm ok with that.
  • Ley
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    To be fair, this change will not likely effect me much. I don't see myself buying crown crates any time soon. Could make free crates a bit disappointing. I do think it makes something pretty scummy, even more scummy.
    Turelus wrote: »
    Obviously voting against them, because no one makes a poll on the ESO forums without an agenda.
    I think we should put it up in a poll and see if there are people who make polls without an agenda.
    Edited by Ley on April 20, 2018 7:53PM
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  • gnarlyvandal
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    I'm indifferent or have other thoughts.
    1) it doesn’t affect your performance in anyway as it is simply an outfit
    2) it’s not even close to being the best looking outfit IMO
    3) we literally just had a HUGE (3 week) motif and craft mats giveaway event that’s been extended to the Monday coming up, do people really not have enough outfits? I’ve managed to complete 3 of my favoured sets in this time including worm cult
    4) if anyone here thinks the motif giveaway has negatively affected the in-game market, imagine how much ZO$ are losing.. I’d be pretty certain people won’t be paying for outfits with crowns whilst also farming ‘better looking’ sets in game.
    5) i personally spend my subscriptions worth of crowns on the crates anyway, a chance to get an extra motif page for doing something I do anyway would be kind of cool imo
    6) It’s not the best idea, but I can really only see hardcore outfit collection fans & whales actually attempting to get these pages

    Edited by gnarlyvandal on April 20, 2018 1:15PM
  • Septimus_Magna
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    I dont like it because in my opinion everything should be obtainable by doing in-game activities.

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  • heaven13
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    1) it doesn’t affect your performance in anyway as it is simply an outfit
    It's not an outfit. It's a crafting motif (meaning you can make it over and over and over again as well as it possibly being used for writs, which I admit we don't know yet (and the 2 other Crown exclusive motifs are not) and also make gear to trade/give to other players.
    2) it’s not even close to being the best looking outfit IMO
    Opinion. A LOT of people have been wanting Maormer stuff for ages now
    3) we literally just had a HUGE (3 week) motif and craft mats giveaway event that’s been extended to the Monday coming up, do people really not have enough outfits? I’ve managed to complete 3 of my favoured sets in this time including worm cult
    Again, a motif, not an outfit. It can be used to create outfits, yes. But for some poeple, crafting is their endgame. They want to collect the motifs, and furnishing plans, and recipes.
    4) if anyone here thinks the motif giveaway has negatively affected the in-game market, imagine how much ZO$ are losing.. I’d be pretty certain people won’t be paying for outfits with crowns whilst also farming ‘better looking’ sets in game.
    Speculation. Given that ZO$ is selling outfit slots at 1500 crowns per slot PER CHARACTER they might end up selling more slots for people to make use of multiple outifts (though I personally hope not since that price is insane, lol)
    5) i personally spend my subscriptions worth of crowns on the crates anyway, a chance to get an extra motif page for doing something I do anyway would be kind of cool imo
    That's great for you. But for all the crafters who do not buy crates, it's a slap in the face
    6) It’s not the best idea, but I can really only see hardcore outfit collection fans & whales actually attempting to get these pages
    Again, it's not about the outfits. It's about getting all the styles/crafting recipes learned of which it is already an ever moving goal post with stuff now locked behind a massive RNG paywall


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  • datgladiatah
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    This is a quick way to get me to stop playing. It's only down the rabbithole from here
  • AlienSlof
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Sickening the way they're going with this crates nonsense. Simply sickening.
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  • Tholian1
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    If the individual chapters for the crown crate exclusive motifs are a success, then I guess it isn’t unreasonable to expect page fragments to be added to them as well at some future point.
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  • DanteYoda
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Its like any other gambling its bad.. and should be stamped out..
  • heaven13
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Dev has confirmed pages are crown crate exclusive (for anyone not checking PTS forum): https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5067472/#Comment_5067472
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  • TerraDewBerry
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    I just have no words for this. Is there no one at ESO who has any ability to control whoever is doing this stuff?

    I'm like...
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  • GiantFruitFly
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    I just have no words for this. Is there no one at ESO who has any ability to control whoever is doing this stuff?

    That's assuming that this is just an isolated attempt at pushing the boundary of monetization. It is more like that marketing or the group that decides this stuff are fully aware of the method and goal, and are fully aware and in control of the what, why, and how of crate exclusive motif pages. Which is why it is important to let the displeasure be known, because it only goes further from here.
  • Numerikuu
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    The answer is clear, but will be and continue to be ignored by Zo$ regardless. Vote with your wallets people.
    Edited by Numerikuu on April 21, 2018 10:46AM
  • The_Protagonist
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    I have a deep hatred for anything to do with gambling.
  • Smaxx
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    @Turelus You should update the opening post of this thread, since we now have confirmation.
  • GaelicCat
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    I'm not keen on the crown crates, but I do buy things I like from the crown store that I can pay for directly.
    If the whole book was available to buy, I would buy it with no second thoughts.
    As it is now, there is no chance I will be going after it. I don't buy crown crates because I hate the randomness. If you want something specific from them, you're more likely to end up disappointed, or spending far more money than you should.

    It wouldn't be quite so bad if it was the whole book, but splitting it into individual pages is just disgusting.
  • Turelus
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Smaxx wrote: »
    Turelus You should update the opening post of this thread, since we now have confirmation.
    Good shout, updated.
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  • Palidon
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    This is just another way for ZOS to exploit Crown Crate sales. What to stop this bull? Don't buy their crates.
  • Korah_Eaglecry
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    I know there is no way of dissuading anyone that will buy the crates with the intent of pursuing this motif. But I really hope that players realize how deep of a rabbit hole this is. That ultimately they will be paying more for this motif than any other motif ever. Including other motif books found in the crown crates.
    Edited by Korah_Eaglecry on April 21, 2018 1:52PM
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  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Istoppucks wrote: »
    I guarentee there are more peoples ok with this than the vocal minority throwing a fit on the forums.

    No. Sample size is big enough here to be accurate enough, and more people are always complaining about crates and RNG every day in game without posting.
    We're all sick of the greed.
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Istoppucks wrote: »
    Back in the day im sure a poll about sub fees would have the same results from the same people.

    The 86% complainig about the store were the same people complaining about sub fees and wanting f2p b2p games. Well congrats boys you created this yourself.

    I dont buy store item with real money i pay a sub and use what they give me. Right now the cool thing to do in the "video game forum community" is complain about the stores. I find it ironic and hilarious as most of you brought this on yourself.

    It wasn't just this game. You're the minority in all games.

    The anti-subscription movement was started because games were suffering in quality AND already adding microtransactions on top of the subscription.

    Anyone else remember the World of Warcraft "sparkle pony" called the Celestial Steed? I spent the $25 for that account wide mount. I regret it.
    These random boxes are far worse.

    This game only went B2P to fool people into thinking moves like these crates aren't as bad as they really are. Apparently, some people like the person i quoted have fallen for this trick.
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Istoppucks wrote: »
    Slurg wrote: »
    Do they think a gimmick like this is going to convince the people who don’t buy crates to start buying them? Or convince the people who buy a few every season to buy a lot more?

    It seems more likely to rub even the people who buy crates the wrong way.

    It sure doesn’t make me want to start buying crates. It signals a trend that makes me want to buy fewer crowns actually.

    Pretty sure nothing will get people like you to buy crates. You dont like them Thats fine. The problem with those like you is you think nobody should be allowed to buy or like them because you dont. The good news is that is not how the world works.

    You're saying "everone should be fine with this because I am" while telling him that he is wrong for the same kind of argument.
    That's rather hypocritical.
    Edited by Mystrius_Archaion on April 21, 2018 9:21PM
  • Elsonso
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    At the time I voted, it was only 88% against, which is not even close to what it takes to get ZOS to reconsider. That, unfortunately, is somewhere around 200%. :smiley:
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  • Integral1900
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Thing is, if it was in the store, give me a couple of months to budget for it at say five or six thousand crowns, hell yes, but the cost of slogging through the gamble box rng is simply beyond me. I can’t justify an outlay of that magnitude, it’s a shame, I’d had a an idea for a disgraced sea elf fleeing his homeland, oh well, back to the drawing board

    Also I’m deeply against using gambling as a cash grab, a good friend used to work for a charity that helped families recover from the consequences of gambling addiction ... and she swore that what she saw in those homes would silence anyone with a heart. A lot of the time wasn’t the gamblers that suffered the most, it was those around them, and yes even things like crown crates. This kind of thing is not limited to the bookies
    Edited by Integral1900 on April 21, 2018 9:44PM
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    Faylis wrote: »
    People seem to want ZOS to make money and be successful, but also what to be able to dictate how the do it, I am not sure we can have that cake and eat it too.
    Actually, that is our right as consumers. If they do not listen then we don't buy and they go under.
    They can be successful without being illegal like illegal gambling gets prosecuted all the time.
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    If it is cosmetic only I could care less if they make it exclusive. The minute you need that motif to complete a writ my opinion will pull a 180.

    I do buy crates but I don't spend massive amounts of money on them. I get what I get and if I don't get something I would like, hey that's how RNG works and tough crap for me and I'm ok with that.

    I wonder if this would work with gas for your vehicle or food or if you would accept it if a fast food place messed up your order.

    Or think of it like your fiance flips a coin to see if she stays with you or cheats on you after you buy her the ring and she said yes.
  • Esha76
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    It's interesting to note... Many people voiced their discontent with the outfit slot pricing. And instead of re-thinking that maybe they were a bit excessive with the slot pricing, ZOS marketing and Leadership crank out crown store outfit packs and this atrocious RNG box exclusive motif.

    I am sure the plans to do the outfit packs were long in the works. ZOS decision makers could have taken customer feed-back into consideration, and re-evaluated their pricing tactics, they instead seem to have a different business approach for those of us who refuse to buy outfit slots, and RNG boxes:

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  • MalakithAlamahdi
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    I don't like exclusive motif pages in Crown Crates.
    I would vote for "I hate gamble crates alltogether" if it were an option.
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