^ no thanks Derra as they were rubbish and population felt away because of it. Hence reverting.

Back to the OPs point i disagree. I think its healthy to try other areas. And BG is a quick and easy (no horse simulator) way to try it.

As a PvPer to grind vet hard mode DLC dungeons or trials for motifs is a timeburn @tyrobag BGs last 15 minutes (really 10 in noCP as the ridiculous CP tank builds are gone.)

Beardimus wrote: »

^ no thanks Derra as they were rubbish and population felt away because of it. Hence reverting.

Back to the OPs point i disagree. I think its healthy to try other areas. And BG is a quick and easy (no horse simulator) way to try it.

As a PvPer to grind vet hard mode DLC dungeons or trials for motifs is a timeburn tyrobag BGs last 15 minutes (really 10 in noCP as the ridiculous CP tank builds are gone.)

But why not make them unbound so people who PvP a lot can sell them and make gold, those who really don't want to PvP can just buy them.

Forcing people into content they don't want to do isn't good game design. The only people who are going to enjoy it are the PvP players who get to ROFL-Stomp some ungeared unknowledgeable PvE players.

Hold on, battlegrounds motifs are bound? What joker did they hire that suddenly has a desire to make new motifs bound when they never were in the past (outside of the 2 crown holiday exclusives).

ZOS, please explain your reasoning here.

Turelus wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

^ no thanks Derra as they were rubbish and population felt away because of it. Hence reverting.

Back to the OPs point i disagree. I think its healthy to try other areas. And BG is a quick and easy (no horse simulator) way to try it.

As a PvPer to grind vet hard mode DLC dungeons or trials for motifs is a timeburn tyrobag BGs last 15 minutes (really 10 in noCP as the ridiculous CP tank builds are gone.)

But why not make them unbound so people who PvP a lot can sell them and make gold, those who really don't want to PvP can just buy them.

Forcing people into content they don't want to do isn't good game design. The only people who are going to enjoy it are the PvP players who get to ROFL-Stomp some ungeared unknowledgeable PvE players.

We are already 'Forced' into a ton of content. Normally for stuff we need. Motifs are a want.

Im with you people should play content they enjoy for the sake of it, they don't tho, this event proves it with people.grinding 100s of boxes and facing burn out.

So yeah utopia we wouldn't need extrinsic motivation to do content. But its not utopia, and getting pulled Into new areas for stuff can be healthy.

I never intended to PvP till i was 'forced' and then loved it, as did many i know from events. Same for me with trading, thieving.

I personally run vMA because i enjoy it (bar bugs) most do it for weapons. I despise trials, but had to run to get stuff.and actually found an ok guild and have now enjoyed then more.

I'm with you in principle, but that principle doesn't apply.across the board. So I'm ok with it being BOP and look.forward to nurturing guild.mates into BG warriors.

I think this is going to be BAD for BG
1 just going to get allot of pve players that ONLY want the new items and don't care about pvp
they wont try and prob just light attack a few times and watch t.v
Then you are going to get the ppl who are going to rage big time if they did not get first or second place to get a chance at new items

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, for one, they aren't Motif Pages. They're Outfit Style items.

From the article: "In addition to opening it up to all, when you queue for a random Battleground match and place first or second, you will receive a Battlemaster Rivyn's Reward Box. These new reward boxes will always contain Soul Gems, a Transmutation geode, a PvP area style item, and a Battlegrounds set weapon. However, they also have a rare chance to include bind-on-pickup Outfit Style Pages for the brand-new Fang Lair Victor and Horned Dragon styles, too. These new styles can only be obtained from the Battlegrounds!"

So I'm not surprised they are bind-on-pickup.

What I would like clarified is whether or not there is a smart loot system or if (more likely, IMO) the drops work like the special rewards did during the Random Dungeon Event: you still get the chance for it to drop, you just don't get the item.

Good point. If this is true, then the title is misleading. I didn't delve into the problem OP mentioned yet, but we should really discern motif pages and outfits(and outfit elements). Motif Pages is what is necessary for crafting (to craft styled armor and do Master Writs), Outfit has no other in-game application except as an accessory

Its stupid to make these bop, even if you forget about people who dont want to play battlegrounds to get them, or that they could be a way for people who do play battlegrounds to make money, due to the rng nature and the fact that they are rare, even someone who plays battlegrounds a lot will find it difficult to complete the outfit style without being able to buy their missing pieces. At they very least they need to introduce an actual smart loot system for these NOT just like the random dungeon event where if you already have the item, you just don't get anything. It would be much easier, to just put these in a rune box and make them tradeable.

redspecter23 wrote: »

Hold on, battlegrounds motifs are bound? What joker did they hire that suddenly has a desire to make new motifs bound when they never were in the past (outside of the 2 crown holiday exclusives).

ZOS, please explain your reasoning here.

They're not motifs, they're "outfit styles". I'd assume that's why since its a collectible technically.