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Dark Cloak now takes you out of stealth when you use it.
Yolokin_Swagonborn
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Can't tell whether to laugh, cry, or just shake my head. Let's just sit back and admire how far we've come with the Nightblade class.
An ability that used to hide you, now reveals you when you use it. A class that relies on stealth and stealth damage routinely getting both of those mechanics nerfed. Is it time for ZOS to just admit they regret adding nightblades to the game? Maybe they should just make stealth a psijic order skill so everyone can use it and we can finish the homogenization of the classes and crush class uniqueness once and for all.
On a serious note, is there any way to make this heal more "nightbladey," Maybe add one second of stealth to it or remove snares?
An ability that used to hide you, now reveals you when you use it. A class that relies on stealth and stealth damage routinely getting both of those mechanics nerfed. Is it time for ZOS to just admit they regret adding nightblades to the game? Maybe they should just make stealth a psijic order skill so everyone can use it and we can finish the homogenization of the classes and crush class uniqueness once and for all.
On a serious note, is there any way to make this heal more "nightbladey," Maybe add one second of stealth to it or remove snares?
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KefkaGestahl✭✭✭It's for tanks. You generally don't want your tank to go invisible. Take the other one if you want to be hidey-stabby.14
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KefkaGestahl wrote: »It's for tanks. You generally don't want your tank to go invisible. Take the other one if you want to be hidey-stabby.
If the boss got visibly confused for a second, that would be kinda funny. "Hey where'd that tough guy go that I was so mad at about 3 seconds ago?"7 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't care the for animation. I was hoping for something unique and renamed, but it's the exact same. Looks kinda dumb looking like you're trying to sneak when you're trying to be tanky.5 -
MisterBigglesworth✭✭✭✭✭
✭Since it's a 3-sec HOT, they could easily add the following:Cast again within 2 seconds and become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.1 -
Marabornwingrion✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Agree. This is just ridiculous.
Ability that should hide you, now will reveal you instead.
What next? Healing abilities will decrease my health, damage abilities will restore health to mobs and bosses?
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Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So it got the Vigor Treatment. Oh well.
I'm in agreement on updating the Animation though, seems very odd to see your tank crouch down when they're just healing themselves; Maybe have a shadow wrap around you slowly for the duration?Argonian forever2 -
Capt_Morgan✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »So it got the Vigor Treatment. Oh well.
I'm in agreement on updating the Animation though, seems very odd to see your tank crouch down when they're just healing themselves; Maybe have a shadow wrap around you slowly for the duration?
If they haven't updated the frost staff blocking animation in over a year I doubt they're going to update this animation ever.4 -
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Well Nb have that ability offering deals damage to the caster and heals a ally.Agree. This is just ridiculous.
Ability that should hide you, now will reveal you instead.
What next? Healing abilities will decrease my health, damage abilities will restore health to mobs and bosses?
Not sure if laugh or cry
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MisterBigglesworth✭✭✭✭✭
✭What next? Healing abilities will decrease my health, damage abilities will restore health to mobs and bosses?
A bolt escape that moves the world forward several feet instead of you... actually... that'd still be useful.
Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They really need to change the animation for this morph IMO. It looks like you still go "into stealth" when you use it and that should just be scrapped.
And obviously a heal like this shouldn't take you out of stealth if you are already in it.-- @xaraan --
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
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Well Nb have that ability offering deals damage to the caster and heals a ally.Agree. This is just ridiculous.
Ability that should hide you, now will reveal you instead.
What next? Healing abilities will decrease my health, damage abilities will restore health to mobs and bosses?
Not sure if laugh or cry
It's all starting to make sense...0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Should have an animation where you wrap a cloak around you, like this:
In any case, if it's only a self heal it shouldn't pull you out of stealth. Any heals that could affect allies (Mutagen, Heal Ward, Vigor) the sure. But self-heals and self buffs should not. Not just for NB, but across all classes.EU | PC | AD4 -
Marabornwingrion✭✭✭✭✭
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Well Nb have that ability offering deals damage to the caster and heals a ally.Agree. This is just ridiculous.
Ability that should hide you, now will reveal you instead.
What next? Healing abilities will decrease my health, damage abilities will restore health to mobs and bosses?
Not sure if laugh or cry
I know. I was thinking about stuff like: If you stay on your own refreshing path when it heals you, you're gonna die
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✭✭✭✭✭Should have an animation where you wrap a cloak around you, like this:
In any case, if it's only a self heal it shouldn't pull you out of stealth. Any heals that could affect allies (Mutagen, Heal Ward, Vigor) the sure. But self-heals and self buffs should not. Not just for NB, but across all classes.
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✭Silver_Strider wrote: »So it got the Vigor Treatment. Oh well.
I'm in agreement on updating the Animation though, seems very odd to see your tank crouch down when they're just healing themselves; Maybe have a shadow wrap around you slowly for the duration?
Vigor is an aoe heal. Rally doesn't pull you out of stealth. ZOS is just lazy and stupid, can't believe they couldn't even be bothered with changing the animation.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades are very strong lol
Choose the other morph and thats it
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Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Change the animation if you're going to change the skill. There is no excuse other than we thought it worth the effort to change the skill but we don't want to spend the time and resources to do anything else with it. Just comes off as unprofessional and downright lazy.
Stop with the halfass approaches already.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The other moph still makes you invisible, so i don't get all this crying
It's proper forum protocol to complain.
Given ofc that it's kind of ridiculous to make Cloak (of all abilities lol) the skill that a NB tank is meant to use for heals....
The only issue I take with this is that it doesn't sound strong enough, and that it's just another simple, boring skill. Would be far more interesting if it could stack on itself rather than override the current HoT when spammed. THEN maybe it would be a truly powerful tool for a (currently nonexistent) NB tank.1 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SleepyTroll wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »So it got the Vigor Treatment. Oh well.
I'm in agreement on updating the Animation though, seems very odd to see your tank crouch down when they're just healing themselves; Maybe have a shadow wrap around you slowly for the duration?
Vigor is an aoe heal. Rally doesn't pull you out of stealth. ZOS is just lazy and stupid, can't believe they couldn't even be bothered with changing the animation.
True but I'm still not complaining about it. My question is, why would you need to use Dark Cloak from stealth?
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✭✭MisterBigglesworth wrote: »Since it's a 3-sec HOT, they could easily add the following:Cast again within 2 seconds and become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Not sure if serious or trolling.1 -
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✭The other moph still makes you invisible, so i don't get all this crying
It’s not a good, needed or required change. I love Dark Cloak over the other morph yes one gives one crit hit 100% chance to next attack. But it’s just one attack. Dark Cloak reduces incoming damage by 8% for 5 seconds way more useful in a fight.
This change would not be bad if it was a real skill it was just done to kill the morph. This will not make TankBlades a thing. All other classes can still tank better. Hell then is just Green Dragon Blood over 3 seconds. NB need a burst heal we have DoTs covered. Taking a great morph and making it a watered down version of the shadow of a better skill was never going to go down easy with players.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Should have an animation where you wrap a cloak around you, like this:
In any case, if it's only a self heal it shouldn't pull you out of stealth. Any heals that could affect allies (Mutagen, Heal Ward, Vigor) the sure. But self-heals and self buffs should not. Not just for NB, but across all classes.
I disagree. Buffing up from stealth should absolutely take you out if it. The advantage of hitting first is great enough as it is.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭MisterBigglesworth wrote: »
Reworked dk skill.....when it ends, the next opponent said person under the effect hits, the first attack will heal their target lolololol
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✭✭✭✭Should have an animation where you wrap a cloak around you, like this:
In any case, if it's only a self heal it shouldn't pull you out of stealth. Any heals that could affect allies (Mutagen, Heal Ward, Vigor) the sure. But self-heals and self buffs should not. Not just for NB, but across all classes.
I disagree. Buffing up from stealth should absolutely take you out if it. The advantage of hitting first is great enough as it is.
Oh, great suggestion, really!
As a Sorc, what would you say, if any buffing would pull down your shields?
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Should have an animation where you wrap a cloak around you, like this:
In any case, if it's only a self heal it shouldn't pull you out of stealth. Any heals that could affect allies (Mutagen, Heal Ward, Vigor) the sure. But self-heals and self buffs should not. Not just for NB, but across all classes.
I disagree. Buffing up from stealth should absolutely take you out if it. The advantage of hitting first is great enough as it is.
Oh, great suggestion, really!
As a Sorc, what would you say, if any buffing would pull down your shields?
Major difference. You can still target and hit me. Besides, I’m mostly talking about applying damage related buffs from stealth. Nobody should be able to get the jump fully pre-buffed, and that’s not exclusive to NBs.Edited by Feanor on April 17, 2018 9:20AMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭✭✭✭There is no difference! You want to take a big bonus from all classes, because sorcs just don't need it.
Give all classes the opportunity to stack shields and we can talk.
But we would lose diversity!PS5|EU0
