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Ghost Horse 3000 crowns, overpriced or a good price?
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MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Soul_Marrow wrote: »25 dollars for a digital re-skin is obviously overpriced. Has everyone in the world lost their minds? Whether or not someone likes it enough to pay for it is beside the point.
You need to keep things in perspective:
1) A NEW game costs 59.99 to purchase.
2) A new-in-box OLDER game typically costs 19.99 to 29.99.
3) A single re-skin of a mount in-game costs 25.00.
Think about ALL of the content you get in a game. All of the art that is created, all of the gameplay aspects, the story, multiplayer components, balancing, etc...everything it takes to create a game from scratch. They sell it at a price that allows them to recoup that investment AND to make money (return on investment).
Now think about the value offered between a complete gaming experience for 19.99-59.99 vs the value offered from a re-skin horse to ride in the already completed game. Microtransactions have destroyed gaming.
Full disclosure, I love the mount so I'm not hating on the way it looks. It simply is a TERRIBLE cost to value ratio. If YOU personally value it enough to spend that much on it, so be it...but the comparison between these things should give consumers pause. These are the types of things that used to cost 1.99. DLC map packs cost between 5 and 20 dollars for games and they add an entirely different experience. This is a 25 dollar cosmetic horse. They tested the market and enough consumers purchased the digital content to justify that meteoric rise in price. Please resist bad economic practices and vote with your wallet. This takes foresight and discipline, but in the long run we all win.
I also look at my steam library and see how many games I don't play.
But I keep playing this one, and like the mount. :Shrug:Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord0 -
eklhaftb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I'm entirely okay with a game having microtransactions, but there's nothing micro about this price. Also, the horse uses the new awful model like all the recently released horses. Also also, it's a lot less transparent and a lot more, um, garish than I like for something that's supposed to be a ghost - which is probably the engine problem, but still. All in all, no, I don't consider it a good buy. Your mileage may vary, of course.
For me, the Bloodshadow Wraith Steed looks a lot more ghostly... and it comes with a game expansion as a bonus.
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Appleblade✭✭✭✭✭I was looking forward to it, but it just radiates “wrong” in practice.
Preview it when wearing robes. Terribly dorky.1 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To be fair, it's the first and only "true" ghost horse. Maybe this is a play on the "fake" unicorn.0 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭doesn't fit any of my characters so i'll have to pass on this one.
if there was a permanent cyan light you could put on wardens, though...
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Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Value is subjective. I don't like horse mounts and think they are boring as all hell so I'd skip it even if it was free. What I have a problem with is someone telling me I shouldn't value something simply because they don't.
I don't care one iota what you think is worth spending on, I worked hard to support my lifestyle/hobbies and will be damned if another person determines what I should and should see value in.
I personally think 3000 crowns is peanuts and would pay twice that for a mount I liked.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
-Hemingway1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Too high for my budget in games but hey , direct purchase . Never will I complain about direct purchase options . It could cost $150 if it was in a cursed crown crate .0 -
Orticia✭✭✭✭I think pretty much everything in the crown store is overpriced once I do the crown to real money value conversion first to get an honest idea of actual cost. So that includes the new ghost mount.1
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I think 2000 or 2500 crowns would have been a more appropriate price.
1000 to 1500 crowns is realistic for a cosmetic item that does nothing. Everything in the store is far ridiculously overpriced. I wouldn't care if I had a million dollars to spend on crowns, I still wouldn't do it.4 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Practically useless, therefore definitively overpriced. Either in terms of crowns or real money.You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!0 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭Overpriced no cosmetic items should be more than 2000 crowns max your telling me 1 mount is more that 2 dungeons that dumbXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.2 -
It's a bad marketing tactic. Only a few players that have taken the placebo of 'thinking' that these mounts or almost everything besides the dlc, well most of the dlc it seems, is worth anything have dove into participating in Crown store purchases. Even the new Crown Crates is a total ripoff and was proven to be true in a youtube video with $100 to spend on them as evidence. If you lower the prices, more people will buy them, if you keep more items in the store, which there should be no reason why they couldn't expand server storage at this point after all of the profits, then they will collect more profits over time. As an IT professional with years of experience in a corporate environment, too many companies are hellbent on gaining max profits in the short-term versus the long term. When it's the long-term that will yield more profits. There is no reason why they couldn't expand server storage to have more items available, bring back mounts that haven't been in the store for the past several years. It is clear it is marketed towards wanting players to get a subscription, but after making these changes to the Crown Store, they can easily add features and services that can still make ESO+ worth buying.
I stopped playing ESO for a long period of time, because there are so many other games that are great and provide dlc at a reasonable price. The ONLY reason I came back was for some of the expansions that I recently downloaded. I don't know why it's so hard to change and make items more affordable. It is code in cyberspace, nothing more. Yes I am aware that programmers need to be paid and all parties involved in their creations, but when you are expecting over %1000 profits and will market accordingly, you are no longer catering to players or your customers, you are catering to the corporate machine.
I want to see sales figures, I want to see numbers, I want to see global market sales, and I want to see those numbers over time, and I am willing to bet that hardly anyone is indulging into this madness.3 -
Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's a bad marketing tactic. Only a few players that have taken the placebo of 'thinking' that these mounts or almost everything besides the dlc, well most of the dlc it seems, is worth anything have dove into participating in Crown store purchases. Even the new Crown Crates is a total ripoff and was proven to be true in a youtube video with $100 to spend on them as evidence. If you lower the prices, more people will buy them, if you keep more items in the store, which there should be no reason why they couldn't expand server storage at this point after all of the profits, then they will collect more profits over time. As an IT professional with years of experience in a corporate environment, too many companies are hellbent on gaining max profits in the short-term versus the long term. When it's the long-term that will yield more profits. There is no reason why they couldn't expand server storage to have more items available, bring back mounts that haven't been in the store for the past several years. It is clear it is marketed towards wanting players to get a subscription, but after making these changes to the Crown Store, they can easily add features and services that can still make ESO+ worth buying.
I stopped playing ESO for a long period of time, because there are so many other games that are great and provide dlc at a reasonable price. The ONLY reason I came back was for some of the expansions that I recently downloaded. I don't know why it's so hard to change and make items more affordable. It is code in cyberspace, nothing more. Yes I am aware that programmers need to be paid and all parties involved in their creations, but when you are expecting over %1000 profits and will market accordingly, you are no longer catering to players or your customers, you are catering to the corporate machine.
I want to see sales figures, I want to see numbers, I want to see global market sales, and I want to see those numbers over time, and I am willing to bet that hardly anyone is indulging into this madness.
Sigh. I find it hard to believe as a business owner, that a company like ZOS and their parent company mind you, are looking at their data, notice that the current pricing is failing and continue on as if doing the same thing over and over will yield different results.
I'm glad they do this and hope they continue to do so as it just highlights that even without crown crates folks still would complain about the crown store prices and all the hubbub about crates targeting addiction is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to cover up players wanting to spend the bare minimum and everything should cost 1k crowns.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
-Hemingway3 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sigh. I find it hard to believe as a business owner, that a company like ZOS and their parent company mind you, are looking at their data, notice that the current pricing is failing and continue on as if doing the same thing over and over will yield different results.
Exactly. ZOS has data that we don't.2 -
NeKryXe✭✭✭✭✭
✭Soul_Marrow wrote: »25 dollars for a digital re-skin is obviously overpriced. Has everyone in the world lost their minds? Whether or not someone likes it enough to pay for it is beside the point.
that thing is transparent, so it wasn't even re-skinned, it was scalped.
for this mount even 1 crown would be ultra expensive since you can get a better mount on game for 10.000g
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heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's a bad marketing tactic. Only a few players that have taken the placebo of 'thinking' that these mounts or almost everything besides the dlc, well most of the dlc it seems, is worth anything have dove into participating in Crown store purchases. Even the new Crown Crates is a total ripoff and was proven to be true in a youtube video with $100 to spend on them as evidence. If you lower the prices, more people will buy them, if you keep more items in the store, which there should be no reason why they couldn't expand server storage at this point after all of the profits, then they will collect more profits over time. As an IT professional with years of experience in a corporate environment, too many companies are hellbent on gaining max profits in the short-term versus the long term. When it's the long-term that will yield more profits. There is no reason why they couldn't expand server storage to have more items available, bring back mounts that haven't been in the store for the past several years. It is clear it is marketed towards wanting players to get a subscription, but after making these changes to the Crown Store, they can easily add features and services that can still make ESO+ worth buying.
I stopped playing ESO for a long period of time, because there are so many other games that are great and provide dlc at a reasonable price. The ONLY reason I came back was for some of the expansions that I recently downloaded. I don't know why it's so hard to change and make items more affordable. It is code in cyberspace, nothing more. Yes I am aware that programmers need to be paid and all parties involved in their creations, but when you are expecting over %1000 profits and will market accordingly, you are no longer catering to players or your customers, you are catering to the corporate machine.
I want to see sales figures, I want to see numbers, I want to see global market sales, and I want to see those numbers over time, and I am willing to bet that hardly anyone is indulging into this madness.
Sigh. I find it hard to believe as a business owner, that a company like ZOS and their parent company mind you, are looking at their data, notice that the current pricing is failing and continue on as if doing the same thing over and over will yield different results.
I'm glad they do this and hope they continue to do so as it just highlights that even without crown crates folks still would complain about the crown store prices and all the hubbub about crates targeting addiction is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to cover up players wanting to spend the bare minimum and everything should cost 1k crowns.
Mounts used to be under 2000 crowns. Some of the horses were under 1000! Pets were 400 crowns. Cosmetics cost less than the DLC except in some fancy cases. Those were acceptable prices for digital goods. A sub crown allowance for a month could buy a mount and a pet, or a fancier mount. Now it takes 2 months sub to get 1 mount, IF it's available for direct purchase. It takes a month sub to get a single outfit slot for a single character. Crown prices have risen substantially and for no obvious reasons other than "because we can".
These are microtransactions, of digital goods, which take little time to produce, and have very little development cost other than the dev's salary and server space. To charge such high amounts is something customers SHOULD question. It's why crowns exist: it's a level of separation between what you get and what you pay. Some companies have done away with fake currency to which I say good riddance (though I do the real cost analysis anyway, some don't). I just wish ZOS would go back to the early days of the crown store where the prices actually reflected the content.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vDSA | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+2 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA | vRGIT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME NOW, THANKS ZOS5 -
Soul_Marrow✭✭✭It's a bad marketing tactic. Only a few players that have taken the placebo of 'thinking' that these mounts or almost everything besides the dlc, well most of the dlc it seems, is worth anything have dove into participating in Crown store purchases. Even the new Crown Crates is a total ripoff and was proven to be true in a youtube video with $100 to spend on them as evidence. If you lower the prices, more people will buy them, if you keep more items in the store, which there should be no reason why they couldn't expand server storage at this point after all of the profits, then they will collect more profits over time. As an IT professional with years of experience in a corporate environment, too many companies are hellbent on gaining max profits in the short-term versus the long term. When it's the long-term that will yield more profits. There is no reason why they couldn't expand server storage to have more items available, bring back mounts that haven't been in the store for the past several years. It is clear it is marketed towards wanting players to get a subscription, but after making these changes to the Crown Store, they can easily add features and services that can still make ESO+ worth buying.
I stopped playing ESO for a long period of time, because there are so many other games that are great and provide dlc at a reasonable price. The ONLY reason I came back was for some of the expansions that I recently downloaded. I don't know why it's so hard to change and make items more affordable. It is code in cyberspace, nothing more. Yes I am aware that programmers need to be paid and all parties involved in their creations, but when you are expecting over %1000 profits and will market accordingly, you are no longer catering to players or your customers, you are catering to the corporate machine.
I want to see sales figures, I want to see numbers, I want to see global market sales, and I want to see those numbers over time, and I am willing to bet that hardly anyone is indulging into this madness.
Sigh. I find it hard to believe as a business owner, that a company like ZOS and their parent company mind you, are looking at their data, notice that the current pricing is failing and continue on as if doing the same thing over and over will yield different results.
I'm glad they do this and hope they continue to do so as it just highlights that even without crown crates folks still would complain about the crown store prices and all the hubbub about crates targeting addiction is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to cover up players wanting to spend the bare minimum and everything should cost 1k crowns.
Mounts used to be under 2000 crowns. Some of the horses were under 1000! Pets were 400 crowns. Cosmetics cost less than the DLC except in some fancy cases. Those were acceptable prices for digital goods. A sub crown allowance for a month could buy a mount and a pet, or a fancier mount. Now it takes 2 months sub to get 1 mount, IF it's available for direct purchase. It takes a month sub to get a single outfit slot for a single character. Crown prices have risen substantially and for no obvious reasons other than "because we can".
These are microtransactions, of digital goods, which take little time to produce, and have very little development cost other than the dev's salary and server space. To charge such high amounts is something customers SHOULD question. It's why crowns exist: it's a level of separation between what you get and what you pay. Some companies have done away with fake currency to which I say good riddance (though I do the real cost analysis anyway, some don't). I just wish ZOS would go back to the early days of the crown store where the prices actually reflected the content.
You are absolutely objectively correct...so basically good luck trying to "logic and reason" with 90% of the people on these forums. They will completely miss the point you are making and screech about how it's their money and they will spend however they want. They don't want you pointing out things that would actually save them money and be positive for everyone because there is typically no self-awareness or foresight involved. It's mindless impulse buying and I imagine a good portion of the original crowd has moved onto other games so the recruits are possibly the majority now. If you play Xbox NA, shoot me a PM on here and maybe we can run a dungeon or 3.Edited by Soul_Marrow on April 18, 2018 11:02AM1 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Soul_Marrow wrote: »It's a bad marketing tactic. Only a few players that have taken the placebo of 'thinking' that these mounts or almost everything besides the dlc, well most of the dlc it seems, is worth anything have dove into participating in Crown store purchases. Even the new Crown Crates is a total ripoff and was proven to be true in a youtube video with $100 to spend on them as evidence. If you lower the prices, more people will buy them, if you keep more items in the store, which there should be no reason why they couldn't expand server storage at this point after all of the profits, then they will collect more profits over time. As an IT professional with years of experience in a corporate environment, too many companies are hellbent on gaining max profits in the short-term versus the long term. When it's the long-term that will yield more profits. There is no reason why they couldn't expand server storage to have more items available, bring back mounts that haven't been in the store for the past several years. It is clear it is marketed towards wanting players to get a subscription, but after making these changes to the Crown Store, they can easily add features and services that can still make ESO+ worth buying.
I stopped playing ESO for a long period of time, because there are so many other games that are great and provide dlc at a reasonable price. The ONLY reason I came back was for some of the expansions that I recently downloaded. I don't know why it's so hard to change and make items more affordable. It is code in cyberspace, nothing more. Yes I am aware that programmers need to be paid and all parties involved in their creations, but when you are expecting over %1000 profits and will market accordingly, you are no longer catering to players or your customers, you are catering to the corporate machine.
I want to see sales figures, I want to see numbers, I want to see global market sales, and I want to see those numbers over time, and I am willing to bet that hardly anyone is indulging into this madness.
Sigh. I find it hard to believe as a business owner, that a company like ZOS and their parent company mind you, are looking at their data, notice that the current pricing is failing and continue on as if doing the same thing over and over will yield different results.
I'm glad they do this and hope they continue to do so as it just highlights that even without crown crates folks still would complain about the crown store prices and all the hubbub about crates targeting addiction is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to cover up players wanting to spend the bare minimum and everything should cost 1k crowns.
Mounts used to be under 2000 crowns. Some of the horses were under 1000! Pets were 400 crowns. Cosmetics cost less than the DLC except in some fancy cases. Those were acceptable prices for digital goods. A sub crown allowance for a month could buy a mount and a pet, or a fancier mount. Now it takes 2 months sub to get 1 mount, IF it's available for direct purchase. It takes a month sub to get a single outfit slot for a single character. Crown prices have risen substantially and for no obvious reasons other than "because we can".
These are microtransactions, of digital goods, which take little time to produce, and have very little development cost other than the dev's salary and server space. To charge such high amounts is something customers SHOULD question. It's why crowns exist: it's a level of separation between what you get and what you pay. Some companies have done away with fake currency to which I say good riddance (though I do the real cost analysis anyway, some don't). I just wish ZOS would go back to the early days of the crown store where the prices actually reflected the content.
You are absolutely objectively correct...so basically good luck trying to "logic and reason" with 90% of the people on these forums. They will completely miss the point you are making and screech about how it's their money and they will spend however they want. They don't want you pointing out things that would actually save them money and be positive for everyone because there is typically no self-awareness or foresight involved. It's mindless impulse buying and I imagine a good portion of the original crowd has moved onto other games so the recruits are possibly the majority now. If you play Xbox NA, shoot me a PM on here and maybe we can run a dungeon or 3.
The same can be said of a lot of things, like drinks in a bar or first-class seats on a plane or "higher-end" status cars. But people pay the high price regardless.0 -
Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Soul_Marrow wrote: »It's a bad marketing tactic. Only a few players that have taken the placebo of 'thinking' that these mounts or almost everything besides the dlc, well most of the dlc it seems, is worth anything have dove into participating in Crown store purchases. Even the new Crown Crates is a total ripoff and was proven to be true in a youtube video with $100 to spend on them as evidence. If you lower the prices, more people will buy them, if you keep more items in the store, which there should be no reason why they couldn't expand server storage at this point after all of the profits, then they will collect more profits over time. As an IT professional with years of experience in a corporate environment, too many companies are hellbent on gaining max profits in the short-term versus the long term. When it's the long-term that will yield more profits. There is no reason why they couldn't expand server storage to have more items available, bring back mounts that haven't been in the store for the past several years. It is clear it is marketed towards wanting players to get a subscription, but after making these changes to the Crown Store, they can easily add features and services that can still make ESO+ worth buying.
I stopped playing ESO for a long period of time, because there are so many other games that are great and provide dlc at a reasonable price. The ONLY reason I came back was for some of the expansions that I recently downloaded. I don't know why it's so hard to change and make items more affordable. It is code in cyberspace, nothing more. Yes I am aware that programmers need to be paid and all parties involved in their creations, but when you are expecting over %1000 profits and will market accordingly, you are no longer catering to players or your customers, you are catering to the corporate machine.
I want to see sales figures, I want to see numbers, I want to see global market sales, and I want to see those numbers over time, and I am willing to bet that hardly anyone is indulging into this madness.
Sigh. I find it hard to believe as a business owner, that a company like ZOS and their parent company mind you, are looking at their data, notice that the current pricing is failing and continue on as if doing the same thing over and over will yield different results.
I'm glad they do this and hope they continue to do so as it just highlights that even without crown crates folks still would complain about the crown store prices and all the hubbub about crates targeting addiction is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to cover up players wanting to spend the bare minimum and everything should cost 1k crowns.
Mounts used to be under 2000 crowns. Some of the horses were under 1000! Pets were 400 crowns. Cosmetics cost less than the DLC except in some fancy cases. Those were acceptable prices for digital goods. A sub crown allowance for a month could buy a mount and a pet, or a fancier mount. Now it takes 2 months sub to get 1 mount, IF it's available for direct purchase. It takes a month sub to get a single outfit slot for a single character. Crown prices have risen substantially and for no obvious reasons other than "because we can".
These are microtransactions, of digital goods, which take little time to produce, and have very little development cost other than the dev's salary and server space. To charge such high amounts is something customers SHOULD question. It's why crowns exist: it's a level of separation between what you get and what you pay. Some companies have done away with fake currency to which I say good riddance (though I do the real cost analysis anyway, some don't). I just wish ZOS would go back to the early days of the crown store where the prices actually reflected the content.
You are absolutely objectively correct...so basically good luck trying to "logic and reason" with 90% of the people on these forums. They will completely miss the point you are making and screech about how it's their money and they will spend however they want. They don't want you pointing out things that would actually save them money and be positive for everyone because there is typically no self-awareness or foresight involved. It's mindless impulse buying and I imagine a good portion of the original crowd has moved onto other games so the recruits are possibly the majority now. If you play Xbox NA, shoot me a PM on here and maybe we can run a dungeon or 3.
The same can be said of a lot of things, like drinks in a bar or first-class seats on a plane or "higher-end" status cars. But people pay the high price regardless.
Stop using logic and reason thereThere is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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Algraxa✭✭✭As someone who has purchased crates, and vanity items, I too feel the prices need to be cut in half to be considered 'reasonable'
I have no qualms laying down cash but my feeling of return has been severely hampered lately, this will be reflected in my future purchases.1 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its insane to waste $25 on a virtual horse that does exactly the same as any other virtual horse does in game.. And honestly it looks bad after seeing it in game, also ruins my immersion seeing a physical person on a ghost.. to me thats not even possible.1
