DK or to not DK?

Joxer61 · April 2018

Ok, I have a stamDK but have recently been playing around as magDK and find I enjoy both. SO the big question is, which looks like its going to be more viable come the content, mag or stam? And this is pve and such, no pvp for this kid. Levelling a magNB and its powerful as atm but having an already levelled toon is kinda a big draw what with new stuff to try. Builds seem few and far between but I just came from a game where they changed monthly so yea, could be a good thing!

TheNightflame · April 2018

tentatively, magdk will surpass stamdk (and everyone else) in summerset. But that's just based on the play testers. Only the PTS patch notes will tell!

NyassaV · April 2018

StamDK is brain dead and easy rotation. mDK is a lot more fun but still has a pretty easy rotation. If you do choose to go into PvP in the future then mDK will certainly be better than anything you've mentioned thus far

Joxer61 · April 2018

TheNightflame wrote: »

tentatively, magdk will surpass stamdk (and everyone else) in summerset. But that's just based on the play testers. Only the PTS patch notes will tell!

Thanks for that! Will keep that mind if I grow tired of levelling my NB.

VaranisArano · April 2018

What role are you wanting to play?

I would absolutely recommend either stamDK or magDK for the role of tank or dungeon DPS.

I'm less familiar with the current trials meta, but generally MagDK DPS has struggled in recent updates due to not performing as well as other melee DPS builds.

Joxer61 · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

What role are you wanting to play?

I would absolutely recommend either stamDK or magDK for the role of tank or dungeon DPS.

I'm less familiar with the current trials meta, but generally MagDK DPS has struggled in recent updates due to not performing as well as other melee DPS builds.

DPS for sure! Was a tank since vanilla in WOW and so over it...time to pew pew! I had a StamDk prior to leaving but looks like ALOT has changed. As I said, enjoying the magNB right now but if I get bored of levelling just might make that DK mag and go for it! Cheers!

ak_pvp · April 2018

If you want PvE, next patch they are both great choices.

If you want PvP? Just stay away lmao. StamDK is useless. MagDK is situational (small group good, 1v1 pretty good, solo awful, large group awful.)

Raraaku · April 2018

From early information out there (Gilliam / Alcast) MagDk looks like it could be in for a huge boost with the coming changes in Summerset. I'm rolling both right now (still leveling each though) and I like them both. StamDK is a lot of fun, the single target DoT of Rending Slashes + Venomous Claw is really fun. You've also got some nice AoE/CC abilities to experiment on both types of DK, for instance endless hail + noxious breath + burning talons/erupt is always fun to do on trash mobs.

The only downside to MagDK is that you have to be within melee range to do a lot of your abilities. But with the (base?) change to ash cloud or one of it's morphs, it will give MagDk a great survival ability to help compensate for being squishy if you're rolling in 5 pieces of light armor.

jypcy · April 2018

@Raraaku for magdk, take full advantage of the heal when burning embers ends. Double casting this ability pretty much heals me to full health when running a full damage build (5 pc light armor, ~17k max health). The new cinder storm could be useful but our toolkit already has a good survivability tool that does good damage, too!

Raraaku · April 2018

jypcy wrote: »

@Raraaku for magdk, take full advantage of the heal when burning embers ends. Double casting this ability pretty much heals me to full health when running a full damage build (5 pc light armor, ~17k max health). The new cinder storm could be useful but our toolkit already has a good survivability tool that does good damage, too!

This is very true. I'm not totally sure, but does double casting activate the previous burning embers heal effect, just for a lower amount? It seemed like it did on my Dunmer MagDK, but he's on the back-burner for the time being until I get my StamDK and MagSorc tank to CP

jypcy · April 2018

Yep! It just checks how much damage the instance of that ability did whenever it ends (to simplify it) and heals you for a percentage of that. So the heal will be bigger if you let it run the full duration, but as a dps, that heal will end up exceeding your health pool pretty quickly. If you need a quick, burst heal on magdk, it’s a cheap ability that can heal for a lot.

SaintSubwayy · April 2018

TheNightflame wrote: »

tentatively, magdk will surpass stamdk (and everyone else) in summerset. But that's just based on the play testers. Only the PTS patch notes will tell!

well only the Live Patchnotes will actually tell, they can stil lchange alot form last PST Patch to the live patch....we know that from expierience -.^

TheRedRavenTR · April 2018

Joxer61 wrote: »

Ok, I have a stamDK but have recently been playing around as magDK and find I enjoy both. SO the big question is, which looks like its going to be more viable come the content, mag or stam? And this is pve and such, no pvp for this kid. Levelling a magNB and its powerful as atm but having an already levelled toon is kinda a big draw what with new stuff to try. Builds seem few and far between but I just came from a game where they changed monthly so yea, could be a good thing!

İ love to play both in pvp. But as in pve i think stamdk is better. But play the one you enjoy the most. İts the best that way. Last patch magdk was strong but now stamdk is better in pvp so it can change anytime for pve too.İ suggest,play both, enjoy both. İts a game.

Hoolielulu · April 2018

TheNightflame wrote: »

tentatively, magdk will surpass stamdk (and everyone else) in summerset. But that's just based on the play testers. Only the PTS patch notes will tell!

I have a stamplar and magblade right now. I have a love/hate relationship with my stamplar and my magblade is satisfying but for a week I've been toying with making my first tank. Learning how to tank sounds fun as hell. I want to be able to pull some weight in dungeons to finally pick up some good gear since crafting has only taken me so far.

This is my first MMO and want to take more chances. I think I'm going to try a magdk.

huschdeguddzje · April 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

StamDK is brain dead and easy rotation. mDK is a lot more fun but still has a pretty easy rotation. If you do choose to go into PvP in the future then mDK will certainly be better than anything you've mentioned thus far

This I recently did scalecaller without realising the boss died. That being said our healer was top notch aswell

Nelson_Rebel · April 2018

Magdk has been the lowest dps parsers for months and the absolute worse sustain since morrowind and people here think they will suddeny be the best dps?

Really?

I'll hold my laugh as I'll just assume you've never played magdk and think its rotation is even remotely easy to sustain. Especially AFTER flame lash AND off balance nerfs at the same time last patch lmfao. Just wow

Checkmath · April 2018

Then you havent heard about the changes for SS and what the testplayers actually reported?

Nelson_Rebel · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

Then you havent heard about the changes for SS and what the testplayers actually reported?

400 magicka or stamina on a rng proced effect for burning or posion as far as the pre-pts was reported.

Link to anything else or link me to a dps parse for summerset compared to other classes and show me otherwise.

If not I'll go off what almost a year has been of mag dk nerfs for 5 patches in a row after morrowind

Checkmath · April 2018

You know how much burning procs on magdk? Then you would know that this isnt much about rng anymore, but constant and unconditional sustain. Just think about that bsw and a AS staff will proc it very often together with 4+ fire dots ticking. The playtesters reached over 70k and reported it to be the highest single target dps parse they got amongst all classes. But nevermind, you dont believe in the players here in the forum, in streamers and so surely not in the playtesters too.

Nelson_Rebel · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

You know how much burning procs on magdk? Then you would know that this isnt much about rng anymore, but constant and unconditional sustain. Just think about that bsw and a AS staff will proc it very often together with 4+ fire dots ticking. The playtesters reached over 70k and reported it to be the highest single target dps parse they got amongst all classes. But nevermind, you dont believe in the players here in the forum, in streamers and so surely not in the playtesters too.

I dont believe in "heresay"

Once I see hard solid dps numbers and see the parses on how often burning will actually proc the Rnjesus of sustain on the worst dps class, then we'll talk

But just "I said so because I heard other people say so" doesnt cut it. Especially after the past YEAR of magdk evidencial performance

Checkmath · April 2018

then i just summon @Gilliamtherogue in here to state, what he experienced regarding magdk dps parses from the summerset playtesting.

ak_pvp · April 2018

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Then you havent heard about the changes for SS and what the testplayers actually reported?

400 magicka or stamina on a rng proced effect for burning or posion as far as the pre-pts was reported.

Link to anything else or link me to a dps parse for summerset compared to other classes and show me otherwise.

If not I'll go off what almost a year has been of mag dk nerfs for 5 patches in a row after morrowind

It puts DK on par regeneration wise as the other classes. A DK can get 60k st on valariel as is, but relies on spell sym. An extra 200 regen is nice

Its more than that though if you count meta changes. Elf bane adds 2500~ dps to zaan, assuming base damage of 5000 and base dps of 3750. I have seen parses with 5k dps (base, no elf) from zaan. So the dps increase on zaan alone from elfbane could be about 3k+ quite handily. Then think of all fire dots increased, so more time for spammable, and higher ultimate uptime.

Then add the bloodthirsty trait, light attack damage buff, always nice, 2x set bonuses on staves, so bsw/elfbane. (Which won't affect stam as much, since they will still stay dw.) And the nerfs to sunder/nmg (Stam loses pen overall, even if switching to TFS.)

Add all that, MDK comes out ahead. The problem is PvP. Less dots, less continuous attack and rotation, and immunity to sustain changss via race/shield. Elfbane won't help, and DK is still an s/b oriented class, having no worthwhile defence, so staff bonus is limited to build. The wings change does nothing so is shortsighted too. (Though I highly suspect it will change)