Vivec PC/NA the population exploits are still occurring & IC is still useless
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pzschrek✭✭✭✭I main AD ATM because the guilds I play in do. All zone chats are toxic in the same ways, but I agree ADs is worse.
Frankly, AD zone chat is toxic because the pug quality in AD is atrocious, mostly garbage players who don't listen and don't want to learn, and the people who care about the campaign find this heartbreaking and infuriating. The vast majority of the faction is atrocious and valueless, worthy, if you are fortunate, only of living just long enough to distract an enemy from an indirect attack.
On EP, I figured that I could rely on the pug to my left and right with at least a moderate degree of confidence. If you lean on the pug to your left and right in AD, you're just asking to be utterly disappointed.“The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he is on.”3 -
Iskras✭✭✭It would sound more sincere IF people who talk about 'zone chat' here open a specific topic to talk about. Here, in the case, topic talks about possible failures in QUEUE.
Edited by Iskras on April 14, 2018 12:34AM0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would sound more sincere IF people who talk about 'zone chat' here open a specific topic to talk about. Here, in the case, topic talks about possible failures in QUEUE.
Is there any proof that the queue bug/exploit is recurring?
Because if it is, I want it fixed ASAP. But, ZOS says they fixed it.
So if someone claims that bug is recurring, lets not beat around the bush. Prove it. Don't claim that with no proof.1 -
Iskras✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »It would sound more sincere IF people who talk about 'zone chat' here open a specific topic to talk about. Here, in the case, topic talks about possible failures in QUEUE.
Is there any proof that the queue bug/exploit is recurring?
Because if it is, I want it fixed ASAP. But, ZOS says they fixed it.
So if someone claims that bug is recurring, lets not beat around the bush. Prove it. Don't claim that with no proof.
"possible failures in QUEUE." It is highlighted. Interpreting text is part of reading.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »It would sound more sincere IF people who talk about 'zone chat' here open a specific topic to talk about. Here, in the case, topic talks about possible failures in QUEUE.
Is there any proof that the queue bug/exploit is recurring?
Because if it is, I want it fixed ASAP. But, ZOS says they fixed it.
So if someone claims that bug is recurring, lets not beat around the bush. Prove it. Don't claim that with no proof.
"possible failures in QUEUE." It is highlighted. Interpreting text is part of reading.
Alright then. Here's your notice that I found that impossibly vague to interpret, so I'm gonna ask you to be clear about what you mean.
Lets not beat around the bush.1 -
Iskras✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »It would sound more sincere IF people who talk about 'zone chat' here open a specific topic to talk about. Here, in the case, topic talks about possible failures in QUEUE.
Is there any proof that the queue bug/exploit is recurring?
Because if it is, I want it fixed ASAP. But, ZOS says they fixed it.
So if someone claims that bug is recurring, lets not beat around the bush. Prove it. Don't claim that with no proof.
"possible failures in QUEUE." It is highlighted. Interpreting text is part of reading.
Alright then. Here's your notice that I found that impossibly vague to interpret, so I'm gonna ask you to be clear about what you mean.
Lets not beat around the bush.
Ask to who open the topic. No one need agree with you about anything.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »It would sound more sincere IF people who talk about 'zone chat' here open a specific topic to talk about. Here, in the case, topic talks about possible failures in QUEUE.
Is there any proof that the queue bug/exploit is recurring?
Because if it is, I want it fixed ASAP. But, ZOS says they fixed it.
So if someone claims that bug is recurring, lets not beat around the bush. Prove it. Don't claim that with no proof.
"possible failures in QUEUE." It is highlighted. Interpreting text is part of reading.
Alright then. Here's your notice that I found that impossibly vague to interpret, so I'm gonna ask you to be clear about what you mean.
Lets not beat around the bush.
Ask to who open the topic. No one need agree with you about anything.
Already asked him. No proof. You've got nothing but vaguery either. I'm rather disappointed that you didn't have more to offer and chose not to be upfront about that, but you do you.1 -
Iskras✭✭✭He owns and argues for evidence. Evidence is not prof. I think his settings are just right. Or, we will fall into something infinitely worse that is not debated in a forum - I pointed out what it was in previous posts.
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Iskras✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »It would sound more sincere IF people who talk about 'zone chat' here open a specific topic to talk about. Here, in the case, topic talks about possible failures in QUEUE.
Is there any proof that the queue bug/exploit is recurring?
Because if it is, I want it fixed ASAP. But, ZOS says they fixed it.
So if someone claims that bug is recurring, lets not beat around the bush. Prove it. Don't claim that with no proof.
"possible failures in QUEUE." It is highlighted. Interpreting text is part of reading.
Alright then. Here's your notice that I found that impossibly vague to interpret, so I'm gonna ask you to be clear about what you mean.
Lets not beat around the bush.
Ask to who open the topic. No one need agree with you about anything.
Already asked him. No proof. You've got nothing but vaguery either. I'm rather disappointed that you didn't have more to offer and chose not to be upfront about that, but you do you.
If you pay more attention to what has been written previously you will find that I partly agree with your arguments. It is written, just read carefully. I do not think there is a big controversy here. BUG - Possible exploiter, can be reported to ZOS without any 'drama'.
What I do not understand - yet - is because some issues like 'cheater / exploiter' seem to offend some in this forum. Something like 'if the mask will serve, I will use' ...And soon the 'same selves' appear to speak of the interlocutor instead of sticking to the subject, as if they just wanted to disturb.
And, i stop here time to sleep a bit
See u Varanis.
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Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Prove this is still happening, or lock the thread.
Prove that what is happeniong?
1) That there are players who use alts over multiple factions to help get some extra numbers?
2) That there are players who use those alts to help them hold objectives so they can farm AP?
3) That there are people who purposely screw over others just for the 'fun' of proving theycan do so?
4) That IC is just a population sink that actively harms any attempt to establsih a semblance of population parity?
5) That AD zone chat during Telel's typical play time is riddled with troll alts from people who'll later be found on the other side of a zerg?
Which one of those do you wish me to prove....Character: Telel
Class: Night Blade-Werewolf-viking-ninja-catgirl-mallet wielder
Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
Khajiit has a twitch stream! https://twitch.tv/telel_khajiit feel free to come see how truly unskilled Telel is.0 -
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✭✭✭Prove this is still happening, or lock the thread.
Prove that what is happeniong?
1) That there are players who use alts over multiple factions to help get some extra numbers?
2) That there are players who use those alts to help them hold objectives so they can farm AP?
3) That there are people who purposely screw over others just for the 'fun' of proving theycan do so?
4) That IC is just a population sink that actively harms any attempt to establsih a semblance of population parity?
5) That AD zone chat during Telel's typical play time is riddled with troll alts from people who'll later be found on the other side of a zerg?
Which one of those do you wish me to prove....
All of them.0331
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Iskras✭✭✭Prove this is still happening, or lock the thread.
Prove that what is happeniong?
1) That there are players who use alts over multiple factions to help get some extra numbers?
2) That there are players who use those alts to help them hold objectives so they can farm AP?
3) That there are people who purposely screw over others just for the 'fun' of proving theycan do so?
4) That IC is just a population sink that actively harms any attempt to establsih a semblance of population parity?
5) That AD zone chat during Telel's typical play time is riddled with troll alts from people who'll later be found on the other side of a zerg?
Which one of those do you wish me to prove....
This proves no problem at all in the queue. This only proves that this is a game, where there are children, teenagers and adults playing, some immature, etc. Nothing more. I could talk code and conduct, but I think it would be another topic.
Edited by Iskras on April 14, 2018 4:40AM2 -
Elong✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Prove this is still happening, or lock the thread.
Prove that what is happeniong?
1) That there are players who use alts over multiple factions to help get some extra numbers?
2) That there are players who use those alts to help them hold objectives so they can farm AP?
3) That there are people who purposely screw over others just for the 'fun' of proving theycan do so?
4) That IC is just a population sink that actively harms any attempt to establsih a semblance of population parity?
5) That AD zone chat during Telel's typical play time is riddled with troll alts from people who'll later be found on the other side of a zerg?
Which one of those do you wish me to prove....
All of the above.1 -
Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Prove this is still happening, or lock the thread.
Prove that what is happeniong?
1) That there are players who use alts over multiple factions to help get some extra numbers?
2) That there are players who use those alts to help them hold objectives so they can farm AP?
3) That there are people who purposely screw over others just for the 'fun' of proving theycan do so?
4) That IC is just a population sink that actively harms any attempt to establsih a semblance of population parity?
5) That AD zone chat during Telel's typical play time is riddled with troll alts from people who'll later be found on the other side of a zerg?
Which one of those do you wish me to prove....
All of the above.
Welp I'd love to post the videos directly but certain someone's are a bit uneven in their handling of problem cases. So..
Go here: https://www.twitch.tv/telel_khajiit/videos/all
1) Look for the highlights with the word team purple in them. If you like I can also rustle up a clip where we see some EP and DC standing right next to each other on siege trying to light a keep.
2) See number 1
3) Plenty of posts here about siege trolls who show up and stand on siege or even fire it the wrong way just to 'mess' with 'bads'.
4) Do I really need to explain to you how people who actively take up server space but never contribute make things harder for those PVPing?
5) Show up during the time period I play in and pay careful attention to the most 'toxic', rude, and spamtastic individuals. Wait 30 minutes to an hour and then go check names against the dozens of EP now Front dooring alessia. Also see the clip marked Meet Roaldy: the zerg surfing AP mule. You'll see a name there you'll often see harassing people in AD zone chat.
Edited by Telel on April 14, 2018 7:05PMCharacter: Telel
Class: Night Blade-Werewolf-viking-ninja-catgirl-mallet wielder
Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
Khajiit has a twitch stream! https://twitch.tv/telel_khajiit feel free to come see how truly unskilled Telel is.2 -
Iskras✭✭✭What seems to happen is something else. ZOS, in order to control the 'lag', limits players by faction - this is something that runs between all factions, hour one, another hour. Sometimes when the queue says to be 'locked', in fact, it is benefiting certain faction for a certain period of time. It happens with all 3 factions. In short, the queue has a 'bug planned'. While one faction is in fact locked, the other remains full, and so on, rotating between all factions the same situation.
Well, that's just my impression, nothing more.
Edited by Iskras on April 15, 2018 10:50PM0 -
Ixtyr✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Again, if there is legit que exploiting, then provide evidence for that and let ZoS know.
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kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Prove this is still happening, or lock the thread.
Prove that what is happeniong?
1) That there are players who use alts over multiple factions to help get some extra numbers?
2) That there are players who use those alts to help them hold objectives so they can farm AP?
3) That there are people who purposely screw over others just for the 'fun' of proving theycan do so?
4) That IC is just a population sink that actively harms any attempt to establsih a semblance of population parity?
5) That AD zone chat during Telel's typical play time is riddled with troll alts from people who'll later be found on the other side of a zerg?
Which one of those do you wish me to prove....
All of the above.
Welp I'd love to post the videos directly but certain someone's are a bit uneven in their handling of problem cases. So..
Go here: https://www.twitch.tv/telel_khajiit/videos/all
1) Look for the highlights with the word team purple in them. If you like I can also rustle up a clip where we see some EP and DC standing right next to each other on siege trying to light a keep.
2) See number 1
3) Plenty of posts here about siege trolls who show up and stand on siege or even fire it the wrong way just to 'mess' with 'bads'.
4) Do I really need to explain to you how people who actively take up server space but never contribute make things harder for those PVPing?
5) Show up during the time period I play in and pay careful attention to the most 'toxic', rude, and spamtastic individuals. Wait 30 minutes to an hour and then go check names against the dozens of EP now Front dooring alessia. Also see the clip marked Meet Roaldy: the zerg surfing AP mule. You'll see a name there you'll often see harassing people in AD zone chat.
Proof that the population queue exploit is still occurring which is what you claimed in your OP. I haven't heard of anyone able to replicate this since the fix however, given the ZOS track record of breaking things that have been previously fixed I'm genuinely interested if you have evidence and, if you do, please report it.Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!1 -
Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »Prove this is still happening, or lock the thread.
Prove that what is happeniong?
1) That there are players who use alts over multiple factions to help get some extra numbers?
2) That there are players who use those alts to help them hold objectives so they can farm AP?
3) That there are people who purposely screw over others just for the 'fun' of proving theycan do so?
4) That IC is just a population sink that actively harms any attempt to establsih a semblance of population parity?
5) That AD zone chat during Telel's typical play time is riddled with troll alts from people who'll later be found on the other side of a zerg?
Which one of those do you wish me to prove....
All of the above.
Welp I'd love to post the videos directly but certain someone's are a bit uneven in their handling of problem cases. So..
Go here: https://www.twitch.tv/telel_khajiit/videos/all
1) Look for the highlights with the word team purple in them. If you like I can also rustle up a clip where we see some EP and DC standing right next to each other on siege trying to light a keep.
2) See number 1
3) Plenty of posts here about siege trolls who show up and stand on siege or even fire it the wrong way just to 'mess' with 'bads'.
4) Do I really need to explain to you how people who actively take up server space but never contribute make things harder for those PVPing?
5) Show up during the time period I play in and pay careful attention to the most 'toxic', rude, and spamtastic individuals. Wait 30 minutes to an hour and then go check names against the dozens of EP now Front dooring alessia. Also see the clip marked Meet Roaldy: the zerg surfing AP mule. You'll see a name there you'll often see harassing people in AD zone chat.
Proof that the population queue exploit is still occurring which is what you claimed in your OP. I haven't heard of anyone able to replicate this since the fix however, given the ZOS track record of breaking things that have been previously fixed I'm genuinely interested if you have evidence and, if you do, please report it.
if you can go back to the original post and show me where I said what I didn't say about the pop bar glitch that was supposedly fixed last DLC then by all means do so.
Because someone asked for evidence of the things I just posted evidence for. Which I did. Plus I have repeatedly pointed out that I never once actually claimed that the population bar glitch was a primary concern.
However i have also repeatedly posted that I am unsure why certain people are focusing on that detail instead of everything else that was actually mentioned as an issue.
PS: with 2 hours to go in the campaign AD is in first place. So for everyone who was trying to claim I did this because we were once again losing.........
Nyah nyah nyahCharacter: Telel
Class: Night Blade-Werewolf-viking-ninja-catgirl-mallet wielder
Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yeah LOL, you guys are the sorest winners ever Telel.
Look at some of the threads here.
Blaaah, AD morale bad all we do is get farmed
Blaaah, AD screwed by town placement when we have two in our backyard
Blaaah, People are queue exploiting (this thread)
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I play AD most of the time. If there are people in IC at all, it is rare to see more than 10 people. Most of the time it's less than that. If those 10 people are that huge of a difference, AD has bigger problems than how many people are in IC.Beta tester November 20130 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »Prove this is still happening, or lock the thread.
Prove that what is happeniong?
1) That there are players who use alts over multiple factions to help get some extra numbers?
2) That there are players who use those alts to help them hold objectives so they can farm AP?
3) That there are people who purposely screw over others just for the 'fun' of proving theycan do so?
4) That IC is just a population sink that actively harms any attempt to establsih a semblance of population parity?
5) That AD zone chat during Telel's typical play time is riddled with troll alts from people who'll later be found on the other side of a zerg?
Which one of those do you wish me to prove....
All of the above.
Welp I'd love to post the videos directly but certain someone's are a bit uneven in their handling of problem cases. So..
Go here: https://www.twitch.tv/telel_khajiit/videos/all
1) Look for the highlights with the word team purple in them. If you like I can also rustle up a clip where we see some EP and DC standing right next to each other on siege trying to light a keep.
2) See number 1
3) Plenty of posts here about siege trolls who show up and stand on siege or even fire it the wrong way just to 'mess' with 'bads'.
4) Do I really need to explain to you how people who actively take up server space but never contribute make things harder for those PVPing?
5) Show up during the time period I play in and pay careful attention to the most 'toxic', rude, and spamtastic individuals. Wait 30 minutes to an hour and then go check names against the dozens of EP now Front dooring alessia. Also see the clip marked Meet Roaldy: the zerg surfing AP mule. You'll see a name there you'll often see harassing people in AD zone chat.
Proof that the population queue exploit is still occurring which is what you claimed in your OP. I haven't heard of anyone able to replicate this since the fix however, given the ZOS track record of breaking things that have been previously fixed I'm genuinely interested if you have evidence and, if you do, please report it.
if you can go back to the original post and show me where I said what I didn't say about the pop bar glitch that was supposedly fixed last DLC then by all means do so.
Because someone asked for evidence of the things I just posted evidence for. Which I did. Plus I have repeatedly pointed out that I never once actually claimed that the population bar glitch was a primary concern.
However i have also repeatedly posted that I am unsure why certain people are focusing on that detail instead of everything else that was actually mentioned as an issue.
PS: with 2 hours to go in the campaign AD is in first place. So for everyone who was trying to claim I did this because we were once again losing.........
Nyah nyah nyah
It's like.....in the title of your thread
"Then there was the population exploit that let other factions exploit more people onto the server using alts. Supposedly zenimax fixed this, but then they rolled back some changes and the supposedly fixed population bars suddenly returned to their old state."
I'm not sure how else to interpret what you wrote here. Everything else you ranted about aren't actionable as they aren't violations of the ToS, rude and immature but not violations. The reason people are focused on this one aspect of your post is that population queue exploit is well....an exploit and needs to be reported to ZoS with the appropriate evidence.
Edited by kpittsniperb14_ESO on April 18, 2018 2:56AMMagicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!0 -
Anazasi✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »It would sound more sincere IF people who talk about 'zone chat' here open a specific topic to talk about. Here, in the case, topic talks about possible failures in QUEUE.
Is there any proof that the queue bug/exploit is recurring?
Because if it is, I want it fixed ASAP. But, ZOS says they fixed it.
So if someone claims that bug is recurring, lets not beat around the bush. Prove it. Don't claim that with no proof.
because the bars are not actual numbers it will always be speculation on how players are counted. if you want to test it get a group of dc players together with an different faction raid lead. que the raid for vivec and see what happens. be sure to record those finding and post them. i suggest doing it on pts though to avoid complications.0
