This is Embarrassing (How Some Experienced PVP Players are Treating New Players)

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players who clearly want nothing to do with fighting or capturing flags, and are only there to quest during the anniversary event. I can fully understand killing a group of lowbies once or twice if you're unsure about their intentions, but when that group consistently tries to avoid you and never fights back or tries to flag capture, why not just leave them alone?

It's such a bad look, and I get why some people complain about the PVP experience and don't even want to try it.

I've been talking to some new players who politely asked (through xbox messaging) an enemy alliance group that kept killing them if they could just quest (because they obviously stood no chance against these players). They were met with responses full of swears, insults, and general unpleasantness so they just left and went back to PVE. It's embarrassing.

What's embarrassing is someone not contemplating that there will likely be pvp in a pvp zone.

pzschrek · April 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

What an argument !! Fantastic. Everyone start killing newbies and new comers. Post 1vX videos in youtube. We are pros. Only max players should come to PVP. These people dont understand it . Forgive them. PVP is only for maxed players. Other ignore cyrodil and PVP dlcs. Imperial city & sewers should be ghost towns.

Congratulations! I applaud your hyperbolic straw man approach and your purposeful misinterpretation of a reasonable point of view. Your willful ignorance is amusing to behold, and a just reward for taking the time to read all these posts.

Talcyndl · April 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

What an argument !! Fantastic. Everyone start killing newbies and new comers. Post 1vX videos in youtube. We are pros. Only max players should come to PVP. These people dont understand it . Forgive them. PVP is only for maxed players. Other ignore cyrodil and PVP dlcs. Imperial city & sewers should be ghost towns.

This isn't about making "newcomers" to PvP feel welcome. The demand is that people be allowed to come to Cyrodiil and AVOID PvP ALTOGETHER. They want multiple PvP free areas within Cyrodiil - at least until they farm a bunch of motifs.

Sylosi · April 2018

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

In the past few days I've been seeing experienced PVP players camping quest towns and killing and teabagging new-to-PVP players

There are plenty of reasons to criticise PvP players in this game, 20 guys chasing one or two across a map, conversely small group hypocrites who complain about being zerged down, but then do exactly the same to some guy who is solo, etc, but in this case there is nothing to complain about.

These guys who suddenly appear in Cyrodil when there is an event, aren't new PvP players, they are PvE players and are not there because of some sudden desire to learn PvP, they are for the most part just Skinner Box zombies who are frankly the cancer on this genre and a big reason why the MMORPG genre is in the sad declining state it is in, so I have no sympathy with the notion that they should be left alone in a PvP zone to merrily PvE.

Neloth · April 2018

They explode so funny form my mag sorc burst combo, I can't stop killing them, sorry. Also, quest-hubs are the only place where I can still see 12k+ frag hits...

Since ZoS reduced my favourite class to a potato smasher, I'm going to play it as intended, don't see a problem here

Dojohoda · April 2018

Sometimes the experienced players who are camping/ganking get their arse whooped.

Feanor · April 2018

I just imagined the responses a thread from a PvPer who complained about dungeon dailies being too hard would draw.

That said, hate tells or any other trash talk are mostly lame.

BozzyTheDrummer · April 2018

This happens a lot to me. Like a whole lot. It gets annoying at times when I am on a time crunch and don't have a whole lot of time to play, and I just want to turn in the quest's I have completed in towns through out Cyrodiil. I know and understand that it's PvP, which I am getting used to as I am primarily PvE. But like I said, annoying at times when you don't have a lot of time to play. Other than that, I expect it and have more time to play and get the quests done.

Talcyndl · April 2018

BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

This happens a lot to me. Like a whole lot. It gets annoying at times when I am on a time crunch and don't have a whole lot of time to play, and I just want to turn in the quest's I have completed in towns through out Cyrodiil. I know and understand that it's PvP, which I am getting used to as I am primarily PvE. But like I said, annoying at times when you don't have a lot of time to play. Other than that, I expect it and have more time to play and get the quests done.

If you do these quests enough, it would make sense to take some time and learn some PvP basics. Who knows, you might learn to like the challenge.

Willard · April 2018

I would almost be willing to bet the folks doing this are PVEers that came here knowing they could get some easy kills and just mess with other people's fun. I think most serious PvPers are actually out PvPing.

I do both PvP and PvE--and am terrible at both compared to most people--but I am just there to have fun. I generally leave players questing alone --- unless they attack me--then I usually just die! lol

Thunderknuckles · April 2018

I'm one of those PvP'ers that will leave folks alone if I can see they're PvE'ers and doing quests. Not tooting my own horn here, it's just the way I like to be. Still, a vast number of PvP'ers get a true thrill out of beating down player they know don't have much of a chance against them. Mind you, THEY hate it when they get smoked by someone/s, but have no problem going for the easy take down.

If you're trying to understand the mentality of this kind of player....just think spoiled brat 12 year old bully. That pretty much sums it up. The kind that will T-bag you, but send you salty tells if you do it back.

ArchMikem · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

This game forces us pvpers to, when grinding a new char, after the whole leveling. 5 minimum days undaunted with 4-5 hours of grind.
That's a lot

If you are magicka:
Mage's guild book farm. That's a lot of time

Skyshard-Skillpoint farm:

That's more time

So yeah. If i see a PvEr in PvP i greet them in kind

That's a *** comparison. Your grind is still you progressing in the game. In Cyrodiil your "greeting in kind" is keeping us from playing the game at all. Ganked before turning in Dailies, you people camping the Givers to begin with, absolutely nothing gets done. PvE may be nothing more than tedious to you, but you are nothing but a Griefer to us.

MaximillianDiE · April 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

This game forces us pvpers to, when grinding a new char, after the whole leveling. 5 minimum days undaunted with 4-5 hours of grind.
That's a lot

If you are magicka:
Mage's guild book farm. That's a lot of time

Skyshard-Skillpoint farm:

That's more time

So yeah. If i see a PvEr in PvP i greet them in kind

That's a *** comparison. Your grind is still you progressing in the game. In Cyrodiil your "greeting in kind" is keeping us from playing the game at all. Ganked before turning in Dailies, you people camping the Givers to begin with, absolutely nothing gets done. PvE may be nothing more than tedious to you, but you are nothing but a Griefer to us.

Welcome to Cyrodil carebear.

scrobey · April 2018

I don't pick on low cps, unless they attack first.

ArchMikem · April 2018

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

This game forces us pvpers to, when grinding a new char, after the whole leveling. 5 minimum days undaunted with 4-5 hours of grind.
That's a lot

If you are magicka:
Mage's guild book farm. That's a lot of time

Skyshard-Skillpoint farm:

That's more time

So yeah. If i see a PvEr in PvP i greet them in kind

That's a *** comparison. Your grind is still you progressing in the game. In Cyrodiil your "greeting in kind" is keeping us from playing the game at all. Ganked before turning in Dailies, you people camping the Givers to begin with, absolutely nothing gets done. PvE may be nothing more than tedious to you, but you are nothing but a Griefer to us.

Welcome to Cyrodil carebear.

You're years late with that welcome, tryhard.

Rair.Kitani · April 2018

As a PVE player and Cyrodil quester, I don't think its too bad at all. I'm not max CP (560ish) but at least read some guides for PVP builds, got some more or less acceptable gear (amberplasm, shacklebreaker, 1 domihaus) oh my mNB and of course I still get my arse handed to me a lot. But still I'm able to do my 30-40 quests /day within less than 2 hours and even leech some AP by capturing towns or get a few hits on an enemy. When I find a town being besieged by a small group of high rank players with no intention to turn the flag but just to camp quests npcs I just move on the the next town to come back later.

Shroudonus5735 · April 2018

Talcyndl wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

this is borderline bullying because you aren't fighting players that know/can fight back at all

FFS, Morgul667, borderline bullying? in a game, in an area that is meant for random combat engagements to happen?? please tell me you posted this for attention, because you seriously cant be trying to make a point here.......are you?

grim gaming · April 2018

Its normal your in the questing town to get rewards but pvpers look at as you free easy ap. Sorry but there nothing to do if the game designer made safe zones in PvP for pve to do quests all they re do is wait outside the areas and kill you before you in the safe zone if your grinding ap for skill points join a group and take farms and keeps. Or farm a lot of gold and repair was and doors safely. And by a lot I mean in the 500 thound range

Koensol · April 2018

You know what is embarrassing? When you spare a pve'ers life when you see him at the quest npc, only for them to snipegank you 5 minutes later when you are fighting a legit pvp player. Sadly, that is what being honorable brings you in this game.

Talcyndl · April 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

you are nothing but a Griefer to us.

You should report people.

That would be funny.

Personally, I've been running the dailies to stock up on gold in advance of jewelry crafting. I've been doing them on different characters, including ones who aren't really skill leveled or well geared. I won't "camp" the quest givers, but I certainly will attack any enemy I see while I'm there. Sometimes that means I die. Sometimes I'll kill someone who clearly has no business in Cyrodiil. Sometimes (actually the majority of times) I'll have some fun fights.

Regardless, at least I get to PvP -- IN THE ONLY PVP ZONE IN THE GAME.

UppGRAYxDD · April 2018

Kill all of the questers!!!!! I need all these motifs Im stashing to go up in price...

Talcyndl · April 2018

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Kill all of the questers!!!!! I need all these motifs Im stashing to go up in price...

This too.

Rickter · April 2018

aw man i cant believe i was late to this. Yes, this is what appears to have happened:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/405779/which-anniversary-event-cyrodiil-town-quest-archetype-do-you-fall-under/p1

carljokl · April 2018

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This meme was mentioned in a discussion with our guild in relation to players who defend the ganking because it is PvP and ganking is not against any rules.

I accept that there is the risk of getting ganked in Cyrodiil. I have tried different ways of grinding boxes. If I just want to maximise boxes I will do writs an all my characters. 6 writs and 15 characters is 90 boxes. It took about 5 hours and earned negligible XP.

Cyrodiil I don't get through as many quests but I levelled up 7 of my alts on the XP earned. I haven't found any other way of grinding dailies that works as well as Cyrodiil. I am typically using the servers when they are under low load so it is not as if I am denying anyone a slot. It seems like Vivec is the only server that gets full these days (PS4 N/A).

Kybotica · April 2018

carljokl wrote: »

This meme was mentioned in a discussion with our guild in relation to players who defend the ganking because it is PvP and ganking is not against any rules.

I accept that there is the risk of getting ganked in Cyrodiil. I have tried different ways of grinding boxes. If I just want to maximise boxes I will do writs an all my characters. 6 writs and 15 characters is 90 boxes. It took about 5 hours and earned negligible XP.

Cyrodiil I don't get through as many quests but I levelled up 7 of my alts on the XP earned. I haven't found any other way of grinding dailies that works as well as Cyrodiil. I am typically using the servers when they are under low load so it is not as if I am denying anyone a slot. It seems like Vivec is the only server that gets full these days (PS4 N/A).

I already posted this response, but you may have missed it. Those Cyrodiil quests are so easy precisely BECAUSE they are done with the risk of being attacked by a player. Without that risk, they are unbalanced with other quests in the game and would need to be adjusted. The risk of being attacked and "slowed down" is factored into the rewards, which are far better per minute than other daily quests. This is intentional, and PvP has already been factored into the equation. They are "the best" because, if you manage to get lucky and avoid PvP, you've essentially "skipped" some of the content.

montjie · April 2018

Dont you know. Thats 'smallscaling'

God forbid those players would go out and find other exp players to fight for the challenge/fun of fair competition.

Talcyndl · April 2018

montjie wrote: »

Dont you know. Thats 'smallscaling'

God forbid those players would go out and find other exp players to fight for the challenge/fun of fair competition.

At least in Sotha, there are a number of experienced players in the towns doing the quests. It has resulted in some of the best small scale fights I've had in a while.

MaximillianDiE · April 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

This game forces us pvpers to, when grinding a new char, after the whole leveling. 5 minimum days undaunted with 4-5 hours of grind.
That's a lot

If you are magicka:
Mage's guild book farm. That's a lot of time

Skyshard-Skillpoint farm:

That's more time

So yeah. If i see a PvEr in PvP i greet them in kind

That's a *** comparison. Your grind is still you progressing in the game. In Cyrodiil your "greeting in kind" is keeping us from playing the game at all. Ganked before turning in Dailies, you people camping the Givers to begin with, absolutely nothing gets done. PvE may be nothing more than tedious to you, but you are nothing but a Griefer to us.

Welcome to Cyrodil carebear.

You're years late with that welcome, tryhard.

That is interesting then if you've been to Cyrodill before then you should understand that as soon as you step foot into Cyrodill "playing the game" means fighting and potentially being killed by opposition players. Far from "stopping" you playing the game you should say thank-you as they are assisting you to play the game under the ruleset that is the dominant ruleset in that part of the game. It's not rocket science. Would you like some cheese with your whine?

The real issue here is that pvper's are forced to put up with pver's in the relatively small pvp part of the game while you uselessly take up campaign slots and stopping other pvpers from participating in the actual pvp and campaign while you try to farm your bags like you farm your little predictable ai controlled monsters and roleplay about putting on your wizards hat and robes. If you can't handle the pvp then stay out of the pvp zone. It's pretty simple.

Talcyndl · April 2018

My new response to any whiny tells of "I'm just questing. Why did you kill me?"

"I'm questing too. I have the 'Kill enemy players' quest."

MaximillianDiE · April 2018

Talcyndl wrote: »

My new response to any whiny tells of "I'm just questing. Why did you kill me?"

"I'm questing too. I have the 'Kill enemy players' quest."

That is genius - and absolutely true!