Anotherone773 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Jewelry crafting is absolutely P2W.

so would you say wow has p2w elements? since jewelcrafting was locked behind an expansion? as well as better gear etc?

Well yeah, basically. That's the whole premise of P2W. Pay money -> get either access to or clear advantage over those who did not pay.

By that statement all games are P2W. Since all games you either have to pay to get access too or you have to pay something that gives a clear advantage over free players. Someone has to pay the electric bill.

P2W Games

* Pretty much anything on Google Play that is considered a game
* Every game from Bigpoint( Browser based games)
* Games from Aeria( Last Chaos was one of their more popular ones).

Those are pay 2 win. ESO is not even close to P2W. You will know when you are playing a p2w game because you will have to fork out $30-$40 a month or more to remain competitive. A chapter once a year for 30 bucks does not even come close to p2w. Its not even in the same solar system, little lone the same ball park.

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aliyavana wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Jewelry crafting is absolutely P2W.

so would you say wow has p2w elements? since jewelcrafting was locked behind an expansion? as well as better gear etc?

Of course Jewelry crafting is P2W BUT it’s probably an acceptable form of it. ZOS has to create some incentives to buy new stuff, I get it. They need to make money, I’m not going to fault them for that.

Anything that confers an advantage, no matter how small or insignificant it seems(like being able to craft and use new jewels before people who didn’t buy) is a form of p2w. Is P2W always bad? No it’s not. Like anything else in this world context and how it’s used is everything.

I think jewel crafting is acceptable at this time simply because you can preorder for like 30 bucks, compared to the 60 Morrowind was. Considering how cheap Summerset is, most will buy it so the soft P2W with Summerset will be negligible.

However, like all money making games with revenues based around a cash shop, they will eventually go full on P2W...there is no other path a cash shop leads to. Cash shops and in game currency like crowns always leads to P2W at some point simply because the market pushes it in that direction. This combined with time consuming grinds like trait research,horse feeding, etc and then putting short cuts in the crown store is a big important first step down this road.

Games with cash shops that go P2W always start out by offering short cuts on grinds in their cash shop.so far ZOS is folllowing the same path with research scrolls, cup scrolls, horse training, etc. I’m pretty good at predicting trends. I’ll be surprised if the game isn’t pretty much P2W in the next 18 months. It don’t matter if they have cup pots in game you can make as they put huge RNG against you in getting stuff like perfect roe and aetherial dust, and the prices for these things on guild traders due to their rarity means 7 out of 10 people don’t have time to get that much gold hence out comes the credit card to reduce or bypass that grind.

Game, set, and match.

As I said ZOS is trying to make money, I’m not faulting them. They are smart to maximize profits as long as they can, any day the whole bottom could fall out. Have to make money while the iron is hot as long as you can...lots of whales out there spending a few hundred dollars a month in that cash shop, can’t blame them for capitalizing on that. It’s smart business imo

usmcjdking wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Jewelry crafting is absolutely P2W.

so would you say wow has p2w elements? since jewelcrafting was locked behind an expansion? as well as better gear etc?

Well yeah, basically. That's the whole premise of P2W. Pay money -> get either access to or clear advantage over those who did not pay.

By that definition the base game is P2W because you have to buy it to get access to the features and content.



This is why I've completely stopped listening to people who say something is pay to win, because the vast majority of people who use the term don't actually understand what it really means and simply label anything they don't like as pay to win.

Phage wrote: »

Also said jumping is crap and the gear grind is worst of any MMO, among other ridiculous things in about half an hours rant to me. He played nearly 1k hours.

Not sure we can be friends anymore.

How's everyone elses week going so far?

Meh, different strokes for different folks. As far as the P2W claim, well, those are a dime-a-dozen on the Internet. Any time a developer charges money for something, there’s people that go charging after that windmill with their best dragon-slaying sword in hand.

The whole “boy who cried wolf” thing and all that. Most people see right through that nonsense. I wouldn’t worry about it.

“It’s P2W!” Is really just the battlecry of the cheapskates, imo.

A friend! ok...

Zos is lucky there are barely more things people like about the game then done like. but its getting closer. I dont know anyone that has played the 2 new Dngns more then once on vet. I have 5 nearly full active guilds lol. thats just 1 example.

Phage wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Opinions are like butts, everyone has them, most don't look that good and they never smell good except to themselves.

Aww, I'm sure your butt smells good @Nestor.

Did it suddenly get real awkward in here, or is it just me?

Well the jumping is pretty terrible.

Sounds like an entertaining tantrum.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Opinions are like butts, everyone has them, most don't look that good and they never smell good except to themselves.

Aww, I'm sure your butt smells good @Nestor.

Did it suddenly get real awkward in here, or is it just me?

There was a lot of temper tantrums for morrowind as well. I don't want people like this in the game, they'll flip out over anything... but I also kind of need players so I don't really want to push them away.

I think, it is likely it is something completely unrelated they are stressed about, perhaps it is money (and so can't afford summerset) perhaps its stress at work or school. People flip out at things randomly are normally stressed out about something unrelated.

he is right about the stupid Jumping.
there should be a stamina cost for the Jumping.
at just antagonizes and taunts, is annoying and i hope they add a stamina cost to jumping.

Sounds like your friend got a case of the Stupids.
Ain’t no curin’ the stupids.. Just gotta let ‘em hump cactuses and hold lit bottle rockets in their hand until Darwin welcomes them to the sweet here-after with a shiny award for helpin’ clean up the gene pool with their graceful exit stage left.