bag upgrade is too expensive

parpin · April 2018

please reduce the cost of bag upgrade because you need big bag size when you are playing through the core game and looting many enemies, you do not have to return to town often in order to sell your stuff, it is annoying as matter of fact i have 144 bag size now after i only increased my horse bag(the daily bag) and gave 88k from my second account to my toon or i could not get to 144 without it, which shows how costly bag upgrade is, as new player by the time you have enough money to increase your bag to 150+ you are almost done with core content, it is too expensive please make it easier for new player to get bag upgrade.

Arobain · April 2018

would you rather they not allow you to upgrade it for gold at all, and only allow you upgrade it with real money?

Guarlet · April 2018

No.

It's a gold sink. If you keep playing the game, you'll get the money needed eventually. It's actually not that expensive in the long run.

You can also upgrade your mount's carry capacity for more bag space.

Ruinhorn · April 2018

There's a bag upgrade in Crown Store. 1k per 10 slots.
The logic is: either "difficult" way (earning gold and buy upgrade) or "easy" way - use real money to buy crowns.
Moreover, with ESO+ you put the most of your stuff in special bag, so you don't need so much slots in main bag.

From a monetizations point of view there's no reason to decrease bag upgrade cost.

Apache_Kid · April 2018

Arobain wrote: »

would you rather they not allow you to upgrade it for gold at all, and only allow you upgrade it with real money?

Why does it have to be one or the other? Confused by this response.

Edit: for the record not saying i agree that the cost of bag upgrades is too high but OP stated they wanted the gold cost reduced, not totally black and white crowns or gold only.

Arobain · April 2018

it doesnt really matter, alot of mmos dont even allow you to upgade your bag space without real money, the gold required isnt that much, and if you really needed more space, you could create mule characters extremely easily, ZOS has made it extremely easy for you store whatever you need, they even added house storage

Turelus · April 2018

It's not really that expensive if you upgrade it in tiers as you progress through your life in the game.
eventually you'll be at a point where making a few 100k is a days work.

parpin · April 2018

Ruinhorn wrote: »

There's a bag upgrade in Crown Store. 1k per 10 slots.
The logic is: either "difficult" way (earning gold and buy upgrade) or "easy" way - use real money to buy crowns.
Moreover, with ESO+ you put the most of your stuff in special bag, so you don't need so much slots in main bag.

From a monetizations point of view there's no reason to decrease bag upgrade cost.

that is my point, this is not asian free to play game where you do not spend money up front but then they will get your money via bag upgrade i have spent 30 euro on core game then 19 for first expansion and i will buy new expansion so bag upgrade should not be problem at all for buy to play game but it is because of monetizations.

Arobain · April 2018

ok i see you arent really here to listen to any type of reason or any other point of view and you just want people to agree with you, bye

Guarlet · April 2018

parpin wrote: »

Ruinhorn wrote: »

There's a bag upgrade in Crown Store. 1k per 10 slots.
The logic is: either "difficult" way (earning gold and buy upgrade) or "easy" way - use real money to buy crowns.
Moreover, with ESO+ you put the most of your stuff in special bag, so you don't need so much slots in main bag.

From a monetizations point of view there's no reason to decrease bag upgrade cost.

that is my point, this is not asian free to play game where you do not spend money up front but then they will get your money via bag upgrade i have spent 30 euro on core game then 19 for first expansion and i will buy new expansion so bag upgrade should not be problem at all for buy to play game but it is because of monetizations.

Oi. Did you even read the above posts. Once you've played the game for a while, the amount of gold needed really isn't that much.

majulook · April 2018

You earn gold in the game pretty quick. Just keep playing you will get there.

Ruinhorn · April 2018

parpin wrote: »

Ruinhorn wrote: »

There's a bag upgrade in Crown Store. 1k per 10 slots.
The logic is: either "difficult" way (earning gold and buy upgrade) or "easy" way - use real money to buy crowns.
Moreover, with ESO+ you put the most of your stuff in special bag, so you don't need so much slots in main bag.

From a monetizations point of view there's no reason to decrease bag upgrade cost.

that is my point, this is not asian free to play game where you do not spend money up front but then they will get your money via bag upgrade i have spent 30 euro on core game then 19 for first expansion and i will buy new expansion so bag upgrade should not be problem at all for buy to play game but it is because of monetizations.

I'm playing since beta, so yes, I remember times without Crown Store and I absolutely understand your feelings. And I'm agree with this statement. But ESO is an expensive game and all players are being milked in either way. Look "General ESO Discussion". We have server problems for several days in a "30 euro game" as you said. Frustrating, but players have spent and will spend their real cash supporting such monetization politics. And will continue to subscriptions. It's their choice, and no one can prohibit it.

For now the best you can do is to sell all unnesessary things to traveling merchants which you can find on your way during questing. Or in small towns, they're not far away, because you said you have a mount. Try not to hold things you really don't need, both in bag and in bank. And as it's being said above, getting money in ESO is quite easy. Later you'll be able to buy more slots with no problems.

If you don't want to support this way, don't buy crowns or subscription. No one is forcing you to do it.

P.S. Yes, forgot to mention 30 and 60 slots chests for your house. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can buy them for writs from merchant (=gold), not only for crowns.

xbobx · April 2018

Arobain wrote: »

it doesnt really matter, alot of mmos dont even allow you to upgade your bag space without real money, the gold required isnt that much, and if you really needed more space, you could create mule characters extremely easily, ZOS has made it extremely easy for you store whatever you need, they even added house storage

yep, and made starter houses only able to hold one chest is it?

why are you such a suckup?

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2018

This game needs more gold sinks. Not trying to be a jerk, but if anything it should be increased. I just rolled a new toon last night, and it was less than 200k I think to totally max your bags? That is nothing in this game. Sure, it's a lot if you have only been playing for a few weeks, but people playing for a few weeks shouldn't have a maxed out character anyway. If you cant afford a bag upgrade, chances are that there isnt much in your bag worth saving anyways.

Also, it is easier for new players to get an upgrade. The pricing increases progressively. What you really want is to make it trivial for a new player to have max bags, and most long time players are going to push back on that.

Tomg999 · April 2018

The OP mentions returning to town to sell - I found that the merchant assistant (as well as the Banker) were a good investment of crowns, since my time IRW is valuable, as well as the disruption of having my adventuring interrupted by a trip to a laggy town.

parpin · April 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game needs more gold sinks. Not trying to be a jerk, but if anything it should be increased. I just rolled a new toon last night, and it was less than 200k I think to totally max your bags? That is nothing in this game. Sure, it's a lot if you have only been playing for a few weeks, but people playing for a few weeks shouldn't have a maxed out character anyway. If you cant afford a bag upgrade, chances are that there isnt much in your bag worth saving anyways.

Also, it is easier for new players to get an upgrade. The pricing increases progressively. What you really want is to make it trivial for a new player to have max bags, and most long time players are going to push back on that.

most of people who disagree with me are veteran players it is obvious from stars front of their forum name, anyways i played on 2 accounts and on both i had bag size issue, i had to give gold from one account to another in order to solve bag issue, for veteran player like you it is easy but try to play without gold from your old toon then you will see how fast bag gets full and you have to run back to town.

jedtb16_ESO · April 2018

parpin wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game needs more gold sinks. Not trying to be a jerk, but if anything it should be increased. I just rolled a new toon last night, and it was less than 200k I think to totally max your bags? That is nothing in this game. Sure, it's a lot if you have only been playing for a few weeks, but people playing for a few weeks shouldn't have a maxed out character anyway. If you cant afford a bag upgrade, chances are that there isnt much in your bag worth saving anyways.

Also, it is easier for new players to get an upgrade. The pricing increases progressively. What you really want is to make it trivial for a new player to have max bags, and most long time players are going to push back on that.

most of people who disagree with me are veteran players it is obvious from stars front of their forum name, anyways i played on 2 accounts and on both i had bag size issue, i had to give gold from one account to another in order to solve bag issue, for veteran player like you it is easy but try to play without gold from your old toon then you will see how fast bag gets full and you have to run back to town.

fair point. but none of us started as veterans.... we all had to work through it just like you are. most of what people are saying here is encouragement... keep going, you'll get there.

Ruinhorn · April 2018

parpin wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game needs more gold sinks. Not trying to be a jerk, but if anything it should be increased. I just rolled a new toon last night, and it was less than 200k I think to totally max your bags? That is nothing in this game. Sure, it's a lot if you have only been playing for a few weeks, but people playing for a few weeks shouldn't have a maxed out character anyway. If you cant afford a bag upgrade, chances are that there isnt much in your bag worth saving anyways.

Also, it is easier for new players to get an upgrade. The pricing increases progressively. What you really want is to make it trivial for a new player to have max bags, and most long time players are going to push back on that.

most of people who disagree with me are veteran players it is obvious from stars front of their forum name, anyways i played on 2 accounts and on both i had bag size issue, i had to give gold from one account to another in order to solve bag issue, for veteran player like you it is easy but try to play without gold from your old toon then you will see how fast bag gets full and you have to run back to town.

Why everyone forgets that so-called "veteran players" don't appear out of nowhere?

People with expierence in ESO had the same problems which you have. For example, don't you think I never had this bag problem? Even now I have 160/170 of space in my bag because of furnishing. And it's the 3rd time for last hour I'm running to merchant to sell stuff and and then to go to crafting stations to decon purple items. I tried to play without gold. I didn't have a horse. I spent a lot of time running here and there, slowly, with full bags. Everyone started from this experience.

And instead of thanking people which share their experience and give you tips how to overcome this problem, you just call them "veteran players"? Aren't they just players? Such an elite community with tons of gold, houses and mounts with all achievements unlocked?

Not at all, man.

Arobain · April 2018

xbobx wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

it doesnt really matter, alot of mmos dont even allow you to upgade your bag space without real money, the gold required isnt that much, and if you really needed more space, you could create mule characters extremely easily, ZOS has made it extremely easy for you store whatever you need, they even added house storage

yep, and made starter houses only able to hold one chest is it?

why are you such a suckup?

im a suckup because i have played alot of games and i see what the average mmo does, i'm a suck up because my opinion is different than yours? i'm a suck up because i have played this game longer than you and thus have more experience? nice attempt at trolling i guess?

oh and before you try to doubt, 3000+ hours here

lemme guess, you are gonna say i have no life too now

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2018

parpin wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game needs more gold sinks. Not trying to be a jerk, but if anything it should be increased. I just rolled a new toon last night, and it was less than 200k I think to totally max your bags? That is nothing in this game. Sure, it's a lot if you have only been playing for a few weeks, but people playing for a few weeks shouldn't have a maxed out character anyway. If you cant afford a bag upgrade, chances are that there isnt much in your bag worth saving anyways.

Also, it is easier for new players to get an upgrade. The pricing increases progressively. What you really want is to make it trivial for a new player to have max bags, and most long time players are going to push back on that.

most of people who disagree with me are veteran players it is obvious from stars front of their forum name, anyways i played on 2 accounts and on both i had bag size issue, i had to give gold from one account to another in order to solve bag issue, for veteran player like you it is easy but try to play without gold from your old toon then you will see how fast bag gets full and you have to run back to town.

Well, that is always going to be the tension between new and old players. New players want things right now, vet players want new players to put in the same time and effort they did. Vet players also want to have things to continue to work for. I certainly understand the need to make this game accessible to new players, but the reality is this game does a LOT to cater to them. This games inventory can be daunting, and yes it is pricey to max out the bags on a character (even pricier to max out your bank), but this game gives you several options to make this better.

Some cost $$$. The banker and merchant assistant do wonders, and dont get me started on the utility value of the craft bag. Also, both your bags and bank can be upgraded with crowns. A lot of people pay gold for the first few upgrades, and crowns for the pricier ones.

If you dont want to spend $$$, well, one word: Mules. For 179,900, you could max one characters bags to 140 (80 new slots). For the same price, you could max 9 characters to 100 (360 new slots, on top of the 540 slots you gained from making the mules).

Kiralyn2000 · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

eventually you'll be at a point where making a few 100k is a days work.

Hmm, I've never reached that point. But, then, I'm no master trader. /shrug

(still ok with the price of bags, though.)

Violynne · April 2018

parpin wrote: »

please reduce the cost of bag upgrade because you need big bag size when you are playing through the core game

No denying this, that's for sure. Ugh, those were some trying levels.

So I'm going to give you the best advice you'll receive to upgrade faster without waiting.

Ready?

STEAL. EVERYTHING!

Okay, not fingerless gloves because they're only worth 3 gold, but steal anything 40g+. Take it to a fence, and sell it. Once you've hit the daily limit, launder it, then sell it.

Believe me, you'll make quick gold and bag space will no longer be an issue.

Hope this helps.

Juju_beans · April 2018

Ruinhorn wrote: »

parpin wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game needs more gold sinks. Not trying to be a jerk, but if anything it should be increased. I just rolled a new toon last night, and it was less than 200k I think to totally max your bags? That is nothing in this game. Sure, it's a lot if you have only been playing for a few weeks, but people playing for a few weeks shouldn't have a maxed out character anyway. If you cant afford a bag upgrade, chances are that there isnt much in your bag worth saving anyways.

Also, it is easier for new players to get an upgrade. The pricing increases progressively. What you really want is to make it trivial for a new player to have max bags, and most long time players are going to push back on that.

most of people who disagree with me are veteran players it is obvious from stars front of their forum name, anyways i played on 2 accounts and on both i had bag size issue, i had to give gold from one account to another in order to solve bag issue, for veteran player like you it is easy but try to play without gold from your old toon then you will see how fast bag gets full and you have to run back to town.

Why everyone forgets that so-called "veteran players" don't appear out of nowhere?

People with expierence in ESO had the same problems which you have. For example, don't you think I never had this bag problem? Even now I have 160/170 of space in my bag because of furnishing. And it's the 3rd time for last hour I'm running to merchant to sell stuff and and then to go to crafting stations to decon purple items. I tried to play without gold. I didn't have a horse. I spent a lot of time running here and there, slowly, with full bags. Everyone started from this experience.

And instead of thanking people which share their experience and give you tips how to overcome this problem, you just call them "veteran players"? Aren't they just players? Such an elite community with tons of gold, houses and mounts with all achievements unlocked?

Not at all, man.

I bought a home (Autumn's Gate) for a furniture warehouse.

What I do on my characters that I play each day is to loot..Daggerfall ships, VG bank, and Rawl'kha.
And I always clean out my bags before heading out to quest.

All the free inn rooms are close to way shrines so it's easy to port back to a town, sell and then go back to where you were questing.

Inventory is also one of the big reasons I'm eso+

Turelus · April 2018

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

eventually you'll be at a point where making a few 100k is a days work.

Hmm, I've never reached that point. But, then, I'm no master trader. /shrug

(still ok with the price of bags, though.)

Dailies and motifs or farming for tempers is a good easy way to make god, adding all the gold you get whilst doing that.

It does require membership in an active trade guild to sell, but it doesn't have to be a super big one.

SolidusPrime · April 2018

I'm kind of surprised by the responses here. Not so long ago, the community's feelings matched OP's...I remember when ZoS put out the statement about how a big portion of the base didn't go past a certain upgrade point, and they used that as a reason for not making housing storage and it pissed a lot of people off that felt pack upgrade prices were too much.

Kind of meh on the issue myself...I've been playing since launch and still don't have the last 1-2 upgrades and don't feel like I need them. Especially with storage containers now.

Narvuntien · April 2018

Yep... Which is why my houses are filled with storage chests. But wait.. there is a limit on the amount of storage chests I can have in my house!... now I have to buy a bigger house which is even more expensive

.To be honest the main reason I don't upgrade my bag is not that I don't have the money its that I'd rather save it for something more useful/entertaining... like a larger house to put my storage chests in.

Actually the main way I manage my inventory the same way I make money... constantly selling things. Deconning gear and selling the mats. if you ever need the mats or gear again well you have money now you can just buy it back. Yeah yeah you'll need a trade guild but whatever fees they may charge its almost always worth it.

Danikat · April 2018

Interestingly the price of bag upgrades can't actually be blamed on monetisation. Back when ESO was a subscription-only game and they promised players would get everything included in the cost of the game+sub bag upgrades cost exactly the same amount.

The introduction of the crown store just added another option.

As for the gold cost I agree that it's extremely high, especially for new players. I also agree that as you play more getting gold becomes easier and therefore the cost isn't as bad, and that the game needs gold sinks to control inflation. I also think limiting bag spaces and expansions helps encourage players to think about what they actually need to keep and carry with them, rather than hording everything just in case.

If you don't want to join a trade guild or don't have the time/inclination to farm items to sell you can try stealing - you can make quite a bit of gold quickly and it's something anyone can do which isn't level dependant.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Dailies and motifs or farming for tempers is a good easy way to make god, adding all the gold you get whilst doing that.

It does require membership in an active trade guild to sell, but it doesn't have to be a super big one.

Yeah, I know. I've just never been enough of a trader to bother. In auction house games, I'd toss a handful of items up every few weeks, at a large undercut to make them fly off the shelves. Here, with the whole "trade guild" thing? Meh, too much work, and I don't have enough stuff to sell for it to be worth it. Vendoring things to NPCs, and crafting writs, eventually gives some gold (which them immediately gets spent on furniture

).

Spacemonkey · April 2018

honestly, the only thing that takes up space and could possibly have you reach over 100 slots is if you hoard crafting mats.

1)Either control the hoarding and accept that you need to go back to town all the time

OR

2)Focus on only 1 or 2 craft trades per character (will make 1 easier)

OR

3)Get ESO+

The pain is as designed to add incentive (a lot of it!!) for ESO+ on top of it being an early gold sink at launch (that was effective for a while)

Sergykid · April 2018

yes, early game is pretty difficult regarding bag space and upgrading. But on the other hand, i would pay even more to have even more slots

Seraphayel · April 2018

You get tons of crap. I really can't imagine this game without the crafting bag anymore. I have it and maxed inventory and still suffer from too much items and not enough free space.