Before complaining about lag...
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Night_Watch wrote: »
Also, fun fact, you can backup your registry before you edit it. I think you’re getting it confused with your BIOS.
Yes! You are 100% right about the backup thing. I see from your posts that you seem to be very experinced and knowledable (no pun) about technical matters / computing. Not all users of this forum are though and I have no doubt that inexperience causes bad things to happen. Not arguing or wanting to cause offence here but simply want to urge caution to those who are not at a level at which registry manipulation should be attempted.
Thanks for once again urging caution against the editing, modification, or unnecessary tinkering with the Microsoft Windows Registry. You seem to be very informed about this topic and I appreciate you dissuading innocent people from harming their computers.0 -
AerunSun✭✭MSI krait Z170a (CM VT750 powered)
I7 6700k 8c 4g
Coolermaster Nepton 240 (+5 8/12 fans)
Crucial Ballistrix 32gb 2400
Crucial Mx300 500g SSD (2x)
NVIDIA 1060 Gaming 6gb
IIyama Prolite GB2488HSU (running on 144/1)
Internet - 100mb / 1gb Intel I219 CAT5
Razor Tartarus V2 / Logitech G502
Only FPS (normal 75-100) drops when tons of people are dropping on a dolmen or a WB
Just the last week I experiance serious drops in FPS and LAT that is beyond normal
But normaly I can't complain.Edited by AerunSun on April 10, 2018 10:48PM- Bosmer Girl since Morrowind 2002
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Yeah, I do a fair amount of informal tech support foe my family and I will try every over solution possible before I touch the registry.
Edited: not because some people can't get good results, just I'm not comfortable monkeying around with it except as a last resort.
Yeah it’s one of those things that you don’t want to mess with unless you know what you’re doing. That’s why I didn’t post the registry prioritization tweaks here or any of the Nagle disabling tweaks here. I think the actual phrase I used was that I didn’t want “other people’s computers to explode”
But if you’re giving out tech advice, you should know how to use a registry.
Mostly its along the order of "the keyboard attached my iPad isn't working" or "how do I get rid of the taskbars I accidently downloaded and not download them again" for my parents, aka stuff I Google until I find likely answers if I don't already know how to fix it. Like I said, informal tech support.
The latest was actually interesting, with them saying "my windows 7 computer won't turn on properly" and that turned out to be a widespread problem with the latest Windows update so I had to go in and remove the problem update with command prompt, but that's the most complicated fix I've had to do in a while.0 -
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✭MSI krait Z170a (CM VT750 powered)
I7 6700k 8c 4g
Coolermaster Nepton 240 (+5 8/12 fans)
Crucial Ballistrix 32gb 2400
Crucial Mx300 500g SSD (2x)
NVIDIA 1060 Gaming 6gb
IIyama Prolite GB2488HSU (running on 144/1)
Internet - 100mb / 1gb Intel I219 CAT5
Razor Tartarus V2 / Logitech G502
Only FPS drops when tons of people are dropping on a dolmen or a WB
Can't complain.
Thank you for chiming in with your experiences and your awesome gaming computer specs! I appreciate this post as it reaffirms my point. I love your AIO, by the way.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Night_Watch wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours
Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i to all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
PLEASE do NOT suggest or encourage the editing of the Windows registry. This is very dangerous and against every helpdesk protocol. Never EVER modify your registry PLEASE. I am saying this for users reading this thread. The windows registry should never ever be modified. There are very special cases where systems administrators must do this but it is NOT advised and NOT necessary.
Also do not invest in any Registry Cleaner, Editor, or anything that would otherwise modify it.
Thogard, what may be expensive to you may not be expensive to others.
@Thogard. I'm sure you were only relating your own experience to us and the registery changing is something that you felt comfortable with. I have no issue with this per se.
However, I must agree with @Knowledge on the point that most usesrs should not change the registry.
For most users, changing the registry directly or via a registry editor or cleaner is a VERY BAD IDEA.
Though I do not do so now due to health issues, in the past I built and maintained many PC systems for friends, famliy, associates and out and out strangers (at time of meeting). I also helped, free of charge, a few local businesses to trouble shoot problems at my level of learning and experience. Whenever I saw someone had installed a registry editor or cleaner I would gnash my teeth and bite my tongue in order to stay civil and kindly explain to the user to not use such applications. The amount of times I heard something said like '"I read on the internet to change the registr"' or"'My mate said to get this registry fix when going to maintain a machine that was acting up (I'm keeping it clean) I lost count of. So many people would act on web viewed information and do something to the registry that was way beyond their technical experience or level and so many would try to blame a friend, relative or other for what, ultimately, they allowed to happen. These things would, for want of a better way of putting it, really make my blood boil.
The registry is not something to be taken lightly. If you do not know for deginate what you are doing, STAY AWAY FROM THE REGISTRY. I can not stress this enough.
How did I learn about using the registry? Well, I'm glad you asked. Sort of! I learned many things about computers by reading books and later some web based material. I also got schooled in computing to (UK) HND level. Degrees are so meh! Another thing I did was use every spare penny I had to buy budget or even second hand PC components or would take in for free any unwanted kit and use those to experiment with - not my main system. Most people will not have the luxury of having the time or spare money to do this type of self learning via non primary equipment or get schooled. I'm not being a braggart here but simply stating what I know from experience to be true.
It takes a lot of time and effort to get to anywhere near competent with PC maintainence and we should all be aware that though pushing our boundaries is a good way to learn it is best not to do so with our main or only equipment as that route is strewn with the fallen that were unprepared in their push or ill able to afford damge to primary kit.
Thank you for providing a detailed explanation of why editing the registry is a bad idea. A lot of products out there mislead consumers into believing they need to clean their registry or edit it in some capacity. Microsoft would have built such a tool into their own operating system if that was actually necessary.
The registry is a database but a very precious one at that.
Also, I might add that if you are actually editing your registry DESPITE warnings and gaining some sort of performance benefit it is likely that your hardware is nearing its EOL (end of life) in terms of relevancy.
Most computer hardware has planned obsolescence in mind. This can be seen with DirectX versions no longer being support by specific hardware among other things.
They did... sigh.
Regedit is not a registry cleaner.
You literally said “ A lot of products out there mislead consumers into believing they need to clean their registry or edit it in some capacity.”
Are you now trying to say that RegEdit isn’t for editing the registry?
every time you install or uninstall a program you are editing your registry.
Next time you uninstall something, watch the status bar for the “removing registry components” part at the end. That is cleaning the registry.
Most antivirus programs will also remove unused parts of the registry if they represent a security risk. Malwarebytes is a popular program that does exactly that.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Geroken777✭✭✭✭✭970 works perfectly fine for this game on high settings. My CPU is 1800X, just remember that it isnt as GPU heavy as CPU.
EDIT: This is a really productive thread, definitely useful for some players out there.Edited by Geroken777 on April 10, 2018 11:01PMThe self-righteous shall choke on their sanctimony.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Night_Watch wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i to all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
PLEASE do NOT suggest or encourage the editing of the Windows registry. This is very dangerous and against every helpdesk protocol. Never EVER modify your registry PLEASE. I am saying this for users reading this thread. The windows registry should never ever be modified. There are very special cases where systems administrators must do this but it is NOT advised and NOT necessary.
Also do not invest in any Registry Cleaner, Editor, or anything that would otherwise modify it.
Thogard, what may be expensive to you may not be expensive to others.
@Thogard. I'm sure you were only relating your own experience to us and the registery changing is something that you felt comfortable with. I have no issue with this per se.
However, I must agree with @Knowledge on the point that most usesrs should not change the registry.
For most users, changing the registry directly or via a registry editor or cleaner is a VERY BAD IDEA.
Though I do not do so now due to health issues, in the past I built and maintained many PC systems for friends, famliy, associates and out and out strangers (at time of meeting). I also helped, free of charge, a few local businesses to trouble shoot problems at my level of learning and experience. Whenever I saw someone had installed a registry editor or cleaner I would gnash my teeth and bite my tongue in order to stay civil and kindly explain to the user to not use such applications. The amount of times I heard something said like '"I read on the internet to change the registr"' or"'My mate said to get this registry fix when going to maintain a machine that was acting up (I'm keeping it clean) I lost count of. So many people would act on web viewed information and do something to the registry that was way beyond their technical experience or level and so many would try to blame a friend, relative or other for what, ultimately, they allowed to happen. These things would, for want of a better way of putting it, really make my blood boil.
The registry is not something to be taken lightly. If you do not know for deginate what you are doing, STAY AWAY FROM THE REGISTRY. I can not stress this enough.
How did I learn about using the registry? Well, I'm glad you asked. Sort of! I learned many things about computers by reading books and later some web based material. I also got schooled in computing to (UK) HND level. Degrees are so meh! Another thing I did was use every spare penny I had to buy budget or even second hand PC components or would take in for free any unwanted kit and use those to experiment with - not my main system. Most people will not have the luxury of having the time or spare money to do this type of self learning via non primary equipment or get schooled. I'm not being a braggart here but simply stating what I know from experience to be true.
It takes a lot of time and effort to get to anywhere near competent with PC maintainence and we should all be aware that though pushing our boundaries is a good way to learn it is best not to do so with our main or only equipment as that route is strewn with the fallen that were unprepared in their push or ill able to afford damge to primary kit.
Thank you for providing a detailed explanation of why editing the registry is a bad idea. A lot of products out there mislead consumers into believing they need to clean their registry or edit it in some capacity. Microsoft would have built such a tool into their own operating system if that was actually necessary.
The registry is a database but a very precious one at that.
Also, I might add that if you are actually editing your registry DESPITE warnings and gaining some sort of performance benefit it is likely that your hardware is nearing its EOL (end of life) in terms of relevancy.
Most computer hardware has planned obsolescence in mind. This can be seen with DirectX versions no longer being support by specific hardware among other things.
They did... sigh.
Regedit is not a registry cleaner.
You literally said “ A lot of products out there mislead consumers into believing they need to clean their registry or edit it in some capacity.”
Are you now trying to say that RegEdit isn’t for editing the registry?
every time you install or uninstall a program you are editing your registry.
Next time you uninstall something, watch the status bar for the “removing registry components” part at the end. That is cleaning the registry.
Most antivirus programs will also remove unused parts of the registry if they represent a security risk. Malwarebytes is a popular program that does exactly that.
I believe we're getting over technical with what I was stating. To be perfectly clear, I am stating that the end user should avoid editing their registry. I do not believe a program deleting or adding it's registry entry when being installed or uninstalled has to do with the end user tinkering with their registry.
Here's a GPU benchmark from Tom's Hardware:
Edited by Knowledge on April 10, 2018 11:01PM0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Geroken777 wrote: »970 works perfectly fine for this game on high settings. My CPU is 1800X, just remember that it isnt as GPU heavy as CPU.
EDIT: This is a really productive thread, definitely useful for some players out there.
Your CPU is going to really shine with that Multi Core Update.
Thanks for chiming in with your experiences and reminding everyone that this is a productive thread!Edited by Knowledge on April 10, 2018 11:22PM0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i go all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
It's a trigger issue for me too, but because it's my profession and one of my pet peeves is users that know just enough to be dangerous giving out bad and/or incorrect information as bad and/or incorrect advise. I'll say it again and hope it doesn't get deleted this time: Leave it to the professionals.
He seems to want to help and he seems to want to educate himself, but he also wants to set the terms on who, how and what is acceptable advise. That might work in debate club but it doesn't work that way in the real world. If someone reads this and goes out and spends $700 or so on a new GPU only for it to, at best, have no effect or, at worst, fry his entire system, who's responsible? That's why it's irresponsible.2 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i go all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
It's a trigger issue for me too, but because it's my profession and one of my pet peeves is users that know just enough to be dangerous giving out bad and/or incorrect information as bad and/or incorrect advise. I'll say it again and hope it doesn't get deleted this time: Leave it to the professionals.
He seems to want to help and he seems to want to educate himself, but he also wants to set the terms on who, how and what is acceptable advise. That might work in debate club but it doesn't work that way in the real world. If someone reads this and goes out and spends $700 or so on a new GPU only for it to, at best, have no effect or, at worst, fry his entire system, who's responsible? That's why it's irresponsible.
There's data showing GPU performance in ESO across the internet. It states very clearly what CPU and GPU combinations will yield in the game. It's not some undocumented fallacy.
I also am refusing arguments of authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) as they are logical fallacy. That logical fallacy is indicated by A. being an authority. A. says something about that topic. A. is probably correct.
The idea that "A" is always correct causes issue because they can either abuse their perceived authority with false data or not actually be correct. However, because they are believed to "probably be correct" this perception leads people to believe anything they say which may actually be wrong.
This is a type of defeasible reasoning and is the kind of reasoning that is rationally compelling but not deductively valid. Essentially, someone saying something is not enough to prove it to be correct. [snip] You should not not use arguments of authority and even cite their sources while welcoming opposing arguments should they be backed by facts.
[edited to remove baiting]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on April 11, 2018 12:01AM0 -
Night_Watch✭✭✭My router is fine thank you. I'm appaled at your indication that my equipment is even in the slightest way to blame. Just take a look.
(No really! Look before ya leap. )
Sorry! It's late and my daemon got the better of me. Back on track please.
Edited by Night_Watch on April 10, 2018 11:16PM"If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭This benchmark from Notebookcheck outlines the importance of using a strong CPU in The Elder Scrolls Online:
Please note at 1920 x 1080 only the 2600k was able to make the game "playable" in this test. Playable, in my opinion, is higher than 60 FPS. A 2600k is a notch greater than the i5 2500k I have suggested in my Original Post.
Source: https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-Benchmarked.115100.0.html0 -
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✭The OP isnt lieing about the air cooler btw, Ive been using 212 EVOs for the last 4 years, they're amazing and quiet and extremely good for budget builds, if you're worried about spending too much on a cooler you should get a 212 EVO, I wouldnt recommend Overclocking with a 212 EVO for long durations though, despite the fact its an amazing cooler many air coolers react poorly too long term OC due too the heatsink warping from the constant heat.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭The OP isnt lieing about the air cooler btw, Ive been using 212 EVOs for the last 4 years, they're amazing and quiet and extremely good for budget builds, if you're worried about spending too much on a cooler you should get a 212 EVO, I wouldnt recommend Overclocking with a 212 EVO for long durations though, despite the fact its an amazing cooler many air coolers react poorly too long term OC due too the heatsink warping from the constant heat.
Thank you very much for chiming in regarding the original post and my suggested air cooler. That's also an important point, many people have stated I am suggesting some expensive build when in fact I have chosen very budget minded components.
The Hyper 212 EVO is a very good cooler for the price. It is by no means the best thing out there but it's easy to install and offers great cooling.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Can you keep this on topic about tech support without the debate club stuff?
This thread keeps derailing into justifications and debate club rules and at some point, thats got to stop or the devs are coming through here again.Edited by VaranisArano on April 10, 2018 11:54PM0 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Can you keep this on topic about tech support without the debate club stuff?
This thread keeps derailing into justifications and debate club rules and at some point, thats got to stop or the devs are coming through here again.
Would that be such a bad thing though?PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »Can you keep this on topic about tech support without the debate club stuff?
This thread keeps derailing into justifications and debate club rules and at some point, thats got to stop or the devs are coming through here again.
It's in the proper forum section now so we'll be able to utilize this thread to assist others more directly now.0