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Before complaining about lag...
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When the game says
Please check your network connection
and the issue is in the EU datacentre trying to find the authentication server
It is fairly obvious that the issue is not the users PC
or changing wayshrine in zone & instead of the 5 secs it takes 5 minutes and then drops you the the login screen
It is fairly obvious that the issue is not the users PC
as all the while the user is connected to others services & watching the rtt to the EU datacentre and every step of the route is stable and <40ms while the games claims that the latency is anything from 70ms to 356ms
And yet almost everyone else is happily playing at that time with no such issues.
The network can sometimes be an issue, as can most assuredly be - especially for the day or two after patching - addons. Long loading problems can certainly be indicative of issues with those addons that load a lot of data - e.g. trading and/or mapping ones.
Login server issues are generally indicated by everyone playing happily while still in the game, but unable to get into the game if they have logged out. If only a few players have problems logging in then it's important to know whether they're all playing from the same real world location or through the same ISP, for example.
Game server issues are rarely the cause if only a small proportion of players are affected. The exception may be if all players in a particular zone or instance are affected, in which case there may well be a specific issue so far as that server is concerned, as opposed to the whole megaserver of which it forms part is concerned.
If there are significant megaserver or even network issues affecting a large number of players, then the megaserver will usually be taken down while the problem is sorted. If most players are playing normally then the servers will remain up and the comparative few with problems should look both at their own setup and their ISP's networking arrangements to see if there are any answers there.1 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Now, I would like to point out to everyone, once again, that I do not think hardware is the only factor in your poor performance and may not be the factor at all. However, a lot of people have had good success with better hardware.
My suggestions are intended to point people in the right direction if they do not have sufficient hardware. They may not have the needed hardware to run the game and have been mislead.
I will also say I do believe people that have adequate knowledge about performance issues are exploiting the individuals that actually have insufficient hardware into following them on a crusade of blaming ZeniMax for server issues when they are not at fault.
This game is optimized a lot better than many games. It does run smoothly for many people.
Also, the notion that what I suggested will cost "thousands of dollars" is not true.
There are good builds that only cost a user $600 or less depending on sales.
Lastly, if someone wants to dispute what I have said I will not accept arguments of authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) or any defeasible reasoning. I will accept counter arguments supported by reputable sources. All of my arguments have been supported by reputable sources and links to those sources. These range from Civil Engineering website, IBM, Linus, and Cisco. I accept only the same if someone wishes to argue against my points.
Buddy.
You posted an article that talked the graphics delay between when your processor finishes an image and when that image shows up on your monitor. You then tried to pass that article should on a monitor’s input lag as if it was related to server lag. I’m not sure if you’re intentionally being this misleading or if you’re just so focused on being “right” that you don’t even bother to read your sources that you reference. Regardless, anyone who’s interested can see that you are incorrect about CPUs as well. All they need to do is go into device manager and open up network adapters. Select the NIC and right click and hit properties to bring up the network adapter properties. Hit the configure button and go to the advanced tab.
@Knowledge has been saying in this thread that the CPU is responsible for processing network packets and that a better CPU is needed to process information sent from the server faster. While it’s possible (but rare) for that to be the case, the truth is that we don’t want the CPU processing network data. ESO is an extremely CPU-intensive game, and the less strain we put on the CPU, the better. In other words, not only was his advice wrong but it’s actually the exact opposite of what you want to do.
In that advanced tab, try to find every “offload” option that you can and make sure they’re enabled. This means the NIC’s CPU will be handling the processing. And yes, “enabled” is the default state for most computers, which is why I was so triggered by OP’s claims. (While you’re in that tab, disable energy efficiency, disable flow control, disable large packet, disable interupt modulation). Note: if you have a crappy NIC and a great CPU, you might want to disable the offloads to alleviate latency issues. TBH with an MMO the offloads won’t do much because the data transfer rates are so low, but it doesn’t hurt to try. You have to restart the computer for the settings to go into effect.
Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles he is quoting and therefore does not understand that they are not relevant.
I play in a 970M (the lower power laptop kind) and get better FPS with higher graphics than my buddy who plays on a 1070. I’m able to do That because I have spent a LOT of time optimizing my system. But aside from a few custom registry tweaks (that I will not post because I don’t want people to accidentally blow up their computers hehe) I haven’t done anything that wasn’t instructed in the graphics optimization thread linked a few pages ago. I spend much more time optimizing my connection to the server.
"Gaming Laptops" make me cringe. Modern CPUs have the capability to deal with network data and offloading isn't necessary. Killer NIC used to offer the features you are suggesting but they quickly became useless as no tangible benefit was gained between a modern CPU and offloading. Also, regardless of what you think, the CPU still has to compute the data. Offloading will only change the hand off time and how the data is handed off. It doesn't relieve the CPU, from well, having to be the CPU.
It's nice to know you're now admitting CPUs can have a bearing on network lag.
Insufficient CPU can also increase latency since the data must wait to be processed when there is no hardware switching without the main CPU. - Cisco
Also, I posted A LOT more information than what you stated. Here was my answer to Judas.
1. The Phenom II is beneath the minimum requirements ZeniMax has indicated for their engine
2. A vast majority of people play on low end PCs. Users that have mid to high end PC builds do not report similar issues. Many issues are rectified by troubleshooting. For example a user named IndyWendieGo was experiencing disconnects and contacted support. That user specified their issue and came to the conclusion it was add-on related. You may counter my argument with valid points or evidence against it otherwise I will not respond to any baseless counter argument. For example, if you say "that doesn't make sense" or do not provide any counter point I will ignore it.
3. This is easy PCs are not infallible. This is backed by the American Society of Civil Engineers http://cedb.asce.org/CEDBsearch/record.jsp?dockey=0046839
4. Many users, such as the one that made the aforementioned statement about video ram, think that VRAM is the determining factor in a GPUs performance. The architecture is actually the main determination of the performance along with drivers. Here is IBM data points: http://personal.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Webb/l3a15/extras/vrmsgrm.pdf, here is flexradio helpdesk https://helpdesk.flexradio.com/hc/en-us/articles/202118528-What-is-important-in-choosing-a-Video-Graphics-Card- here is a VRAM guide from LinusTechTips forums https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/198568-the-video-ram-information-guide/
5. The CPU or Central Processing Unit is the brain of a PC. All data must be read by the CPU, including network data. This can be explained here: https://www.cozlink.com/pice-a272-2387-2388/article-73444.html A computer’s network card works by taking the data given to it by the CPU and sending it to a destination. It translates the data into a form that can be transferred via cables and then translates the data it receives back into data usable by the computer. Network interface cards receive this data from buses on the computer’s motherboard, typically those that send information toward the peripheral slots. The information is converted from a parallel structure to a linear structure by the network card, so it can readily transmit along cables. Once the network card receives the address for the destination device, the data is sent. Information sent back is then converted back into parallel structure and redistributed along the motherboard’s buses, so the CPU can process the received data.
6. Multi Core Support is being added to the game to improve performance. This explains it: https://sapphirenation.net/importance-cpu-gaming/
7. This point is explained on networkengineering.stackexchange.com: https://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/30443/how-can-a-processor-handle-10-gigabit-per-second-or-more-data-rate/30496 What happens when the processor isn't fast enough is that traffic gets dropped. A lot of traffic may be dropped, anyway, since that is how congestion is handled, if done correctly. RED (Random Early Detection) is a method used to randomly drop packets in queues in order to prevent them from filling and tail-dropping packets. This can help to prevent TCP synchronization. A lot of drops occur on switches, where multiple ports of a speed may need to send to another single port of the same speed.
8. I've listed several sources earlier on explaining lag from GPUs and CPUs while Thogard said lag is network related only: https://www.badosoft.com/knowledgebase/cpu-lag.php https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/how-to-get-rid-of-lag-guide#1
9. Linus explains bottlenecking here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9XuCz1FQEU
10. ZeniMax uses MegaServer technology which is what allows us to play on one server: https://elderscrollsonline.info/mega-server. It is highly advanced and explained here: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-the-megaserver-system/Edited by Knowledge on April 10, 2018 9:38PM0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭When the game says
Please check your network connection
and the issue is in the EU datacentre trying to find the authentication server
It is fairly obvious that the issue is not the users PC
or changing wayshrine in zone & instead of the 5 secs it takes 5 minutes and then drops you the the login screen
It is fairly obvious that the issue is not the users PC
as all the while the user is connected to others services & watching the rtt to the EU datacentre and every step of the route is stable and <40ms while the games claims that the latency is anything from 70ms to 356ms
And yet almost everyone else is happily playing at that time with no such issues.
The network can sometimes be an issue, as can most assuredly be - especially for the day or two after patching - addons. Long loading problems can certainly be indicative of issues with those addons that load a lot of data - e.g. trading and/or mapping ones.
Login server issues are generally indicated by everyone playing happily while still in the game, but unable to get into the game if they have logged out. If only a few players have problems logging in then it's important to know whether they're all playing from the same real world location or through the same ISP, for example.
Game server issues are rarely the cause if only a small proportion of players are affected. The exception may be if all players in a particular zone or instance are affected, in which case there may well be a specific issue so far as that server is concerned, as opposed to the whole megaserver of which it forms part is concerned.
If there are significant megaserver or even network issues affecting a large number of players, then the megaserver will usually be taken down while the problem is sorted. If most players are playing normally then the servers will remain up and the comparative few with problems should look both at their own setup and their ISP's networking arrangements to see if there are any answers there.
Thank you supporting this thread with factual information.0 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours
Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i go all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
Edited by Thogard on April 10, 2018 9:42PMPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i to all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
PLEASE do NOT suggest or encourage the editing of the Windows registry. This is very dangerous and against every helpdesk protocol. Never EVER modify your registry PLEASE. I am saying this for users reading this thread. The windows registry should never ever be modified. There are very special cases where systems administrators must do this but it is NOT advised and NOT necessary.
Also do not invest in any Registry Cleaner, Editor, or anything that would otherwise modify it.
Thogard, what may be expensive to you may not be expensive to others.1 -
FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Honestly I think he just baits people into arguments and reports them when he feels 'attacked. I've already put them on ignore. @Thogard he ain't worth a reasonable response.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!1 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Honestly I think he just baits people into arguments and reports them when he feels 'attacked. I've already put them on ignore. @Thogard he ain't worth a reasonable response.
I am genuinely trying to help other users with performance issues. I wouldn't have gone to such lengths if I wasn't. I've dug up information supporting my statements with links and elaborated my points thoroughly. The amount of effort I have put forth debating with you, Thogard, and Judas indicates that I am being genuine.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can we keep this thread on topic instead of debating the arguments you lot are having with each other?
That'd do a lot to prove the genuineness of everyone's arguments.0 -
Eldartar✭✭✭✭Amd FX8350 running @ 4.3Ghz
Corsair 110i CPU water cooling
MSI R9 390 8gb Graphics card
16gb Corsair 1866mhz DDR3
240gb Kingston SSD
300mbps wired broadband
I get some issues, can't run on ultra setting now, get 'dropped' from the server every now and again and high ping / low FPS at times. . . but, saying that I know that i know I need to upgrade my full system as it's had its day.0 -
FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Honestly I think he just baits people into arguments and reports them when he feels 'attacked. I've already put them on ignore. @Thogard he ain't worth a reasonable response.
I am genuinely trying to help other users with performance issues. I wouldn't have gone to such lengths if I wasn't. I've dug up information supporting my statements with links and elaborated my points thoroughly. The amount of effort I have put forth debating with you, Thogard, and Judas indicates that I am being genuine.
I sincerely doubt that, but... Have a lovely ESO experience anyways. This is the last reply you're getting from me, please respect that if you're actually genuine. Thanks.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!1 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Honestly I think he just baits people into arguments and reports them when he feels 'attacked. I've already put them on ignore. @Thogard he ain't worth a reasonable response.
I am genuinely trying to help other users with performance issues. I wouldn't have gone to such lengths if I wasn't. I've dug up information supporting my statements with links and elaborated my points thoroughly. The amount of effort I have put forth debating with you, Thogard, and Judas indicates that I am being genuine.
I’m still waiting on your explanation for how that monitor input lag article is relevant.
Also, fun fact, you can backup your registry before you edit it. I think you’re getting it confused with your BIOS.
PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »Can we keep this thread on topic instead of debating the arguments you lot are having with each other?
That'd do a lot to prove the genuineness of everyone's arguments.
You're right. Here are some older ESO Benchmarks from Tom's Hardware.
You'll notice the 4770k (Haswell) has a significant advantage in FPS and Frame Time.
At the time the 4770k was the best CPU available for mainstream users (not HEDT which would be X99).
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Honestly I think he just baits people into arguments and reports them when he feels 'attacked. I've already put them on ignore. @Thogard he ain't worth a reasonable response.
I am genuinely trying to help other users with performance issues. I wouldn't have gone to such lengths if I wasn't. I've dug up information supporting my statements with links and elaborated my points thoroughly. The amount of effort I have put forth debating with you, Thogard, and Judas indicates that I am being genuine.
I sincerely doubt that, but... Have a lovely ESO experience anyways. This is the last reply you're getting from me, please respect that if you're actually genuine. Thanks.
Okay thank you but I thought you had me ignored. Have a good day.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Honestly I think he just baits people into arguments and reports them when he feels 'attacked. I've already put them on ignore. @Thogard he ain't worth a reasonable response.
I am genuinely trying to help other users with performance issues. I wouldn't have gone to such lengths if I wasn't. I've dug up information supporting my statements with links and elaborated my points thoroughly. The amount of effort I have put forth debating with you, Thogard, and Judas indicates that I am being genuine.
I’m still waiting on your explanation for how that monitor input lag article is relevant.
Also, fun fact, you can backup your registry before you edit it. I think you’re getting it confused with your BIOS.
PLEASE do not modify your registry, ladies and gentlemen. It is dangerous and unnecessary. I am discouraging any modification of the registry as typical helpdesk procedure. It can result in terrible issues.Edited by Knowledge on April 10, 2018 10:20PM0 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Color me intrigued that you knew about those old school killer NICs. They don’t work the way you think they did - they skipped the windows protocols and used their own stack / QOS (which was total crap btw). Using the windows stack on the NIC’s CPU is what most cards do now, but I can at least see why you thought what you thought.
Ok so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
But are you saying that people should be using the CPUs for processing network traffic or the NIC’s processor? I think that’s where we’re disagreeing at the moment.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Color me intrigued that you knew about those old school killer NICs. They don’t work the way you think they did - they skipped the windows protocols and used their own stack / QOS (which was total crap btw). Using the windows stack on the NIC’s CPU is what most cards do now, but I can at least see why you thought what you thought.
Ok so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
But are you saying that people should be using the CPUs for processing network traffic or the NIC’s processor? I think that’s where we’re disagreeing at the moment.
Killer NIC is still available in many motherboards. My current board has Dual LAN with one Killer NIC port and one Intel port.
The CPU still has to process the packets that the NIC receives. The NIC cannot translate the data for the GPU into draw calls. This must be done at the CPU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNN_tTXABUA 0 -
TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i go all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
Then we are very much on the same page This user tried my patience a lot even after a good 20 years of being online. He's good, but not good enough 
Just leave him be. He got his 'audience' and there's always plenty of it. Just know you are better than this and move on. 1 -
Night_Watch✭✭✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i to all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
PLEASE do NOT suggest or encourage the editing of the Windows registry. This is very dangerous and against every helpdesk protocol. Never EVER modify your registry PLEASE. I am saying this for users reading this thread. The windows registry should never ever be modified. There are very special cases where systems administrators must do this but it is NOT advised and NOT necessary.
Also do not invest in any Registry Cleaner, Editor, or anything that would otherwise modify it.
Thogard, what may be expensive to you may not be expensive to others.
@Thogard. I'm sure you were only relating your own experience to us and the registery changing is something that you felt comfortable with. I have no issue with this per se.
However, I must agree with @Knowledge on the point that most usesrs should not change the registry.
For most users, changing the registry directly or via a registry editor or cleaner is a VERY BAD IDEA.
Though I do not do so now due to health issues, in the past I built and maintained many PC systems for friends, famliy, associates and out and out strangers (at time of meeting). I also helped, free of charge, a few local businesses to trouble shoot problems at my level of learning and experience. Whenever I saw someone had installed a registry editor or cleaner I would gnash my teeth and bite my tongue in order to stay civil and kindly explain to the user to not use such applications. The amount of times I heard something said like '"I read on the internet to change the registr"' or "'My mate said to get this registry fix" when going to maintain a machine that was acting up (I'm keeping it clean) I lost count of. So many people would act on web viewed information and do something to the registry that was way beyond their technical experience or level and so many would try to blame a friend, relative or other for what, ultimately, they allowed to happen. These things would, for want of a better way of putting it, really make my blood boil.
The registry is not something to be taken lightly. If you do not know for definate what you are doing, STAY AWAY FROM THE REGISTRY. I can not stress this enough.
How did I learn about using the registry? Well, I'm glad you asked. Sort of! I learned many things about computers by reading books and later some web based material. I also got schooled in computing to (UK) HND level. Degrees are so meh! Another thing I did was use every spare penny I had to buy budget or even second hand PC components or would take in for free any unwanted kit and use those to experiment with - not my main system. Most people will not have the luxury of having the time or spare money to do this type of self learning via non primary equipment or get schooled. I'm not being a braggart here but simply stating what I know from experience to be true.
It takes a lot of time and effort to get to anywhere near competent with PC maintainence and we should all be aware that though pushing our boundaries is a good way to learn it is best not to do so with our main or only equipment as that route is strewn with the fallen that were unprepared in their push or ill able to afford damge to primary kit.
EDITED to correct some spell ink!
Edited by Night_Watch on April 10, 2018 10:46PM"If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Color me intrigued that you knew about those old school killer NICs. They don’t work the way you think they did - they skipped the windows protocols and used their own stack / QOS (which was total crap btw). Using the windows stack on the NIC’s CPU is what most cards do now, but I can at least see why you thought what you thought.
Ok so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
But are you saying that people should be using the CPUs for processing network traffic or the NIC’s processor? I think that’s where we’re disagreeing at the moment.
Killer NIC is still available in many motherboards. My current board has Dual LAN with one Killer NIC port and one Intel port.
The CPU still has to process the packets that the NIC receives. The NIC cannot translate the data for the GPU into draw calls. This must be done at the CPU.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNN_tTXABUA
You are implying that all of the physics and graphics calculations, as well as the game engine itself, is being processed at the ZOS servers and only the finished graphics are being sent via network back to your computer.
The goal of the MMO is to have to send as little data as possible from the server to the client. My connection to the server goes above 30kbps less than 1% of the time.
Also that Killer NIC you have is crap when run on default drivers and settings. Is it the 2200, 2400 or 2700? I can show you how to have a smoother connection without changing the actual card if youd like. I, too, have a killer card, and it does NOT like eso lol.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, I do a fair amount of informal tech support foe my family and I will try every over solution possible before I touch the registry.
Edited: not because some people can't get good results, just I'm not comfortable monkeying around with it except as a last resort.Edited by VaranisArano on April 10, 2018 10:34PM0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i go all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
Then we are very much on the same page This user tried my patience a lot even after a good 20 years of being online. He's good, but not good enough Just leave him be. He got his 'audience' and there's always plenty of it. Just know you are better than this and move on.
I agree. However, in my case I contributed above because in addition to those who prescribe an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem there are many more who blame every problem on a developer before diagnosing their problem - and it's important to address those people at every opportunity. There can indeed be server-side issues, but it's important to establish that rather than blindly to assume it, and that's a definite weak point on this forum.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Night_Watch wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i to all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
PLEASE do NOT suggest or encourage the editing of the Windows registry. This is very dangerous and against every helpdesk protocol. Never EVER modify your registry PLEASE. I am saying this for users reading this thread. The windows registry should never ever be modified. There are very special cases where systems administrators must do this but it is NOT advised and NOT necessary.
Also do not invest in any Registry Cleaner, Editor, or anything that would otherwise modify it.
Thogard, what may be expensive to you may not be expensive to others.
@Thogard. I'm sure you were only relating your own experience to us and the registery changing is something that you felt comfortable with. I have no issue with this per se.
However, I must agree with @Knowledge on the point that most usesrs should not change the registry.
For most users, changing the registry directly or via a registry editor or cleaner is a VERY BAD IDEA.
Though I do not do so now due to health issues, in the past I built and maintained many PC systems for friends, famliy, associates and out and out strangers (at time of meeting). I also helped, free of charge, a few local businesses to trouble shoot problems at my level of learning and experience. Whenever I saw someone had installed a registry editor or cleaner I would gnash my teeth and bite my tongue in order to stay civil and kindly explain to the user to not use such applications. The amount of times I heard something said like '"I read on the internet to change the registr"' or"'My mate said to get this registry fix when going to maintain a machine that was acting up (I'm keeping it clean) I lost count of. So many people would act on web viewed information and do something to the registry that was way beyond their technical experience or level and so many would try to blame a friend, relative or other for what, ultimately, they allowed to happen. These things would, for want of a better way of putting it, really make my blood boil.
The registry is not something to be taken lightly. If you do not know for deginate what you are doing, STAY AWAY FROM THE REGISTRY. I can not stress this enough.
How did I learn about using the registry? Well, I'm glad you asked. Sort of! I learned many things about computers by reading books and later some web based material. I also got schooled in computing to (UK) HND level. Degrees are so meh! Another thing I did was use every spare penny I had to buy budget or even second hand PC components or would take in for free any unwanted kit and use those to experiment with - not my main system. Most people will not have the luxury of having the time or spare money to do this type of self learning via non primary equipment or get schooled. I'm not being a braggart here but simply stating what I know from experience to be true.
It takes a lot of time and effort to get to anywhere near competent with PC maintainence and we should all be aware that though pushing our boundaries is a good way to learn it is best not to do so with our main or only equipment as that route is strewn with the fallen that were unprepared in their push or ill able to afford damge to primary kit.
Thank you for providing a detailed explanation of why editing the registry is a bad idea. A lot of products out there mislead consumers into believing they need to clean their registry or edit it in some capacity. Microsoft would have built such a tool into their own operating system if that was actually necessary.
The registry is a database but a very precious one at that.
Also, I might add that if you are actually editing your registry DESPITE warnings and gaining some sort of performance benefit it is likely that your hardware is nearing its EOL (end of life) in terms of relevancy.
Most computer hardware has planned obsolescence in mind. This can be seen with DirectX versions no longer being support by specific hardware among other things.0 -
TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭I agree. However, in my case I contributed above because in addition to those who prescribe an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem there are many more who blame every problem on a developer before diagnosing their problem - and it's important to address those people at every opportunity. There can indeed be server-side issues, but it's important to establish that rather than blindly to assume it, and that's a definite weak point on this forum.
By all means do that. Just ignore all taunts and half-witted posts by the OP.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Yeah, I do a fair amount of informal tech support foe my family and I will try every over solution possible before I touch the registry.
Edited: not because some people can't get good results, just I'm not comfortable monkeying around with it except as a last resort.
Yeah it’s one of those things that you don’t want to mess with unless you know what you’re doing. That’s why I didn’t post the registry prioritization tweaks here or any of the Nagle disabling tweaks here. I think the actual phrase I used was that I didn’t want “other people’s computers to explode”
But if you’re giving out tech advice, you should know how to use a registry.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Night_Watch wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i to all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
PLEASE do NOT suggest or encourage the editing of the Windows registry. This is very dangerous and against every helpdesk protocol. Never EVER modify your registry PLEASE. I am saying this for users reading this thread. The windows registry should never ever be modified. There are very special cases where systems administrators must do this but it is NOT advised and NOT necessary.
Also do not invest in any Registry Cleaner, Editor, or anything that would otherwise modify it.
Thogard, what may be expensive to you may not be expensive to others.
@Thogard. I'm sure you were only relating your own experience to us and the registery changing is something that you felt comfortable with. I have no issue with this per se.
However, I must agree with @Knowledge on the point that most usesrs should not change the registry.
For most users, changing the registry directly or via a registry editor or cleaner is a VERY BAD IDEA.
Though I do not do so now due to health issues, in the past I built and maintained many PC systems for friends, famliy, associates and out and out strangers (at time of meeting). I also helped, free of charge, a few local businesses to trouble shoot problems at my level of learning and experience. Whenever I saw someone had installed a registry editor or cleaner I would gnash my teeth and bite my tongue in order to stay civil and kindly explain to the user to not use such applications. The amount of times I heard something said like '"I read on the internet to change the registr"' or"'My mate said to get this registry fix when going to maintain a machine that was acting up (I'm keeping it clean) I lost count of. So many people would act on web viewed information and do something to the registry that was way beyond their technical experience or level and so many would try to blame a friend, relative or other for what, ultimately, they allowed to happen. These things would, for want of a better way of putting it, really make my blood boil.
The registry is not something to be taken lightly. If you do not know for deginate what you are doing, STAY AWAY FROM THE REGISTRY. I can not stress this enough.
How did I learn about using the registry? Well, I'm glad you asked. Sort of! I learned many things about computers by reading books and later some web based material. I also got schooled in computing to (UK) HND level. Degrees are so meh! Another thing I did was use every spare penny I had to buy budget or even second hand PC components or would take in for free any unwanted kit and use those to experiment with - not my main system. Most people will not have the luxury of having the time or spare money to do this type of self learning via non primary equipment or get schooled. I'm not being a braggart here but simply stating what I know from experience to be true.
It takes a lot of time and effort to get to anywhere near competent with PC maintainence and we should all be aware that though pushing our boundaries is a good way to learn it is best not to do so with our main or only equipment as that route is strewn with the fallen that were unprepared in their push or ill able to afford damge to primary kit.
Thank you for providing a detailed explanation of why editing the registry is a bad idea. A lot of products out there mislead consumers into believing they need to clean their registry or edit it in some capacity. Microsoft would have built such a tool into their own operating system if that was actually necessary.
The registry is a database but a very precious one at that.
Also, I might add that if you are actually editing your registry DESPITE warnings and gaining some sort of performance benefit it is likely that your hardware is nearing its EOL (end of life) in terms of relevancy.
Most computer hardware has planned obsolescence in mind. This can be seen with DirectX versions no longer being support by specific hardware among other things.
They did... sigh.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
YouTube: http://youtube.com/c/thogardpvp0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i go all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
Then we are very much on the same page This user tried my patience a lot even after a good 20 years of being online. He's good, but not good enough Just leave him be. He got his 'audience' and there's always plenty of it. Just know you are better than this and move on.
I agree. However, in my case I contributed above because in addition to those who prescribe an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem there are many more who blame every problem on a developer before diagnosing their problem - and it's important to address those people at every opportunity. There can indeed be server-side issues, but it's important to establish that rather than blindly to assume it, and that's a definite weak point on this forum.
Thanks for your response. I want to be clear about something. Most of the hardware I suggested in my original post is very cheap or older. For example, the i5 2500k is a SandyBridge era CPU from 2013. The Maxwell GTX 980 is also quite old now in the world of computing. it came out in September of 2014.
Most of the suggestions I made are being misconstrued for being some sort of ten thousand dollar gaming machine when in fact they are quite inexpensive parts at this date.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »I agree. However, in my case I contributed above because in addition to those who prescribe an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem there are many more who blame every problem on a developer before diagnosing their problem - and it's important to address those people at every opportunity. There can indeed be server-side issues, but it's important to establish that rather than blindly to assume it, and that's a definite weak point on this forum.
By all means do that. Just ignore all taunts and half-witted posts by the OP.
Heh, he got me kicked off one topic and thanked me on this one - so I guess we're all-square which is where I'll probably leave it
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Also, fun fact, you can backup your registry before you edit it. I think you’re getting it confused with your BIOS.
Yes! You are 100% right about the backup thing. I see from your posts that you seem to be very experinced and knowledable (no pun) about technical matters / computing. Not all users of this forum are though and I have no doubt that inexperience causes bad things to happen. Not arguing or wanting to cause offence here but simply want to urge caution to those who are not at a level at which registry manipulation should be attempted."If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Night_Watch wrote: »TheCyberDruid wrote: »Regardless, I don’t think there is any value in debating with OP. He does not understand the articles you are quoting and therefore do not understand that they are not relevant.
Not sure if you saw other threads by this user, but he clearly waits for responses like yours Let's just say: Don't feed him.
Youre right, I should know better. This is a bit of a trigger issue for me though. When I was in college 12 years ago I read a thread much like this one and upgraded a computer’s hardware to try to fix an issue like this. I spent a month’s budget (was poor in college like every other college student) and the result was nothing.
I then learned to make a few registry changes and voila, everything was great.
Ever since then I’ve tried to really stay on top of performance bottlenecks and how to identify them, and i to all “white knight” when I read a post like this one that prescribes an expensive solution before diagnosing a problem.
PLEASE do NOT suggest or encourage the editing of the Windows registry. This is very dangerous and against every helpdesk protocol. Never EVER modify your registry PLEASE. I am saying this for users reading this thread. The windows registry should never ever be modified. There are very special cases where systems administrators must do this but it is NOT advised and NOT necessary.
Also do not invest in any Registry Cleaner, Editor, or anything that would otherwise modify it.
Thogard, what may be expensive to you may not be expensive to others.
@Thogard. I'm sure you were only relating your own experience to us and the registery changing is something that you felt comfortable with. I have no issue with this per se.
However, I must agree with @Knowledge on the point that most usesrs should not change the registry.
For most users, changing the registry directly or via a registry editor or cleaner is a VERY BAD IDEA.
Though I do not do so now due to health issues, in the past I built and maintained many PC systems for friends, famliy, associates and out and out strangers (at time of meeting). I also helped, free of charge, a few local businesses to trouble shoot problems at my level of learning and experience. Whenever I saw someone had installed a registry editor or cleaner I would gnash my teeth and bite my tongue in order to stay civil and kindly explain to the user to not use such applications. The amount of times I heard something said like '"I read on the internet to change the registr"' or"'My mate said to get this registry fix when going to maintain a machine that was acting up (I'm keeping it clean) I lost count of. So many people would act on web viewed information and do something to the registry that was way beyond their technical experience or level and so many would try to blame a friend, relative or other for what, ultimately, they allowed to happen. These things would, for want of a better way of putting it, really make my blood boil.
The registry is not something to be taken lightly. If you do not know for deginate what you are doing, STAY AWAY FROM THE REGISTRY. I can not stress this enough.
How did I learn about using the registry? Well, I'm glad you asked. Sort of! I learned many things about computers by reading books and later some web based material. I also got schooled in computing to (UK) HND level. Degrees are so meh! Another thing I did was use every spare penny I had to buy budget or even second hand PC components or would take in for free any unwanted kit and use those to experiment with - not my main system. Most people will not have the luxury of having the time or spare money to do this type of self learning via non primary equipment or get schooled. I'm not being a braggart here but simply stating what I know from experience to be true.
It takes a lot of time and effort to get to anywhere near competent with PC maintainence and we should all be aware that though pushing our boundaries is a good way to learn it is best not to do so with our main or only equipment as that route is strewn with the fallen that were unprepared in their push or ill able to afford damge to primary kit.
Thank you for providing a detailed explanation of why editing the registry is a bad idea. A lot of products out there mislead consumers into believing they need to clean their registry or edit it in some capacity. Microsoft would have built such a tool into their own operating system if that was actually necessary.
The registry is a database but a very precious one at that.
Also, I might add that if you are actually editing your registry DESPITE warnings and gaining some sort of performance benefit it is likely that your hardware is nearing its EOL (end of life) in terms of relevancy.
Most computer hardware has planned obsolescence in mind. This can be seen with DirectX versions no longer being support by specific hardware among other things.
They did... sigh.
Regedit is not a registry cleaner.0
