Why snares

Lord-Otto · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

@Lord-Otto
You get 5% increase to all damage by using a 2h sword, you still can weave (a little bit less dame tough) and beside sorcs every class has a better spammable the fire clench. Surprise attack and strife (was the english name strife?) for magblades, templar have jabs, warden have birds and dks use whip. You can keep your resto, but again: its a 8%more single target damage and better weaving against 5% overall damage, at min 200 more spelldamage, far better stamina sustain and a skill, which provides a hot, snare removal and immunity.

You VASTLY underestimate the importance of proper light attacks. And don't forget they carry an important enchant.
Reach is also used as an important CC on some classes, most notably ranged mag NBs.

Sergykid · April 2018

if there would be no snares then ranged players would be at an advantage

Sneaky-Snurr · April 2018

Oh man.. the bait is bad and you should feel bad, OP. There's no real reason whatsoever to discuss the answer to your question smh.

Septimus_Magna · April 2018

There needs to be a major/minor system with snares just like other debuffs in the game.

The problem is that its way too easy to stack snares and lock someone down. There are only a couple ways to remove snares cost effectively. If you remove snares at a high cost you risk running out of resources and you die.

If ZOS wants to stick to the current snare system they should at least consider some kind of snare immunity after breaking a snare.

Checkmath · April 2018

you also can weave with a 2h as magicka class and there are better cc's the fire clench. i see that you are a bit stuck behind the meta and its form, try to be open minded

i think ranged players have a disadvantage without snares, not the other way around. ranged fighters stay in their safe zone by applying snares, knockbacks and lockdown abilities.

Skander · April 2018

Running a 2h as magicka ranged is like running a destro staff as stamina malee.
You can do it, but good luck making it work.

Chilly-McFreeze · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

Running a 2h as magicka ranged is like running a destro staff as stamina malee.
You can do it, but good luck making it work.

More like running a stam build with Resto. Its mainly for non-combat but the Other benefits can make it work.

Checkmath · April 2018

thats why i said, that you maybe need to think out of the box. some famous theorycrafters already did. there are plenty of dual wield magwardens, 2h magblades and there are also dual wield magsorc builds. for dk and templar dual wield, sword and shield and 2h are a valid choice since months. but also the three first mentioned builds will all work with 2h weapons.

Skander · April 2018

Dual wield gives you less dmg then a destro and it's used just dot the second piece for bonuses. Gonna change Next patch. Using a skill that costs stamina ad magicka is complicate since, stamina can use it's magicka pool for buffing. I also need my stamina pool dot booking dodging and breaking free.
Good kick spamming a 2k+ stamina skill every 6 seconds as magicka toon. And if you build for it ù are not gonna achieve dmg or sustain

Checkmath · April 2018

then ask M-A-G-M-A how he does it with forward momentum

or blobsky on his magblade.
there are already several players doing it, so it cant be that much of a stamina burden, especially when your stamina sustain gets buffed by using a 2h.

Skander · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

then ask M-A-G-M-A how he does it with forward momentum
or blobsky on his magblade.
there are already several players doing it, so it cant be that much of a stamina burden, especially when your stamina sustain gets buffed by using a 2h.

I didn't say you can't. I say it would be inefficient. And blobs has legit build onto it. With zaan.

Aznox · April 2018

Why heals

Why are we having heals in pvp?

Next question: why stamina don't have a shield that scales from max stamina ?

Checkmath · April 2018

M-A-G-M-A didnt built for it, he uses lich and wizards riposte, plus skorial. together with witchmothers potent brew. he actually has zero stam sustain and casts FM a lot. you dont have to build for it, it is easy sustainable.

Skander · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

M-A-G-M-A didnt built for it, he uses lich and wizards riposte, plus skorial. together with witchmothers potent brew. he actually has zero stam sustain and casts FM a lot. you dont have to build for it, it is easy sustainable.

And dies a lot too. Don't count duels ad balance

Checkmath · April 2018

he probably dies less than you, since he doesnt come here to complain about everything, that killed him

Skander · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

he probably dies less than you, since he doesnt come here to complain about everything, that killed him

Probably not

Gilvoth · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Why not?

1 is almost too many
but here in eso is more then 10 per second and is very bad for pvp

VaranisArano · April 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Why not?

1 is almost too many
but here in eso is more then 10 per second and is very bad for pvp

If you are in a situation where you are getting hit with 10 per second, either the snare isn't going to be a problem in very short order (because you'll be dead, facing that number of opponents) or your group needs to step up their tactics.

Gilvoth · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Why not?

1 is almost too many
but here in eso is more then 10 per second and is very bad for pvp

If you are in a situation where you are getting hit with 10 per second, either the snare isn't going to be a problem in very short order (because you'll be dead, facing that number of opponents) or your group needs to step up their tactics.

i mainly get it during solo play, but yes, it does happen during zerg attacking me, just not as often.
it is mainly during solo 1 v 1 that i am getting hit like that.

VaranisArano · April 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Why not?

1 is almost too many
but here in eso is more then 10 per second and is very bad for pvp

If you are in a situation where you are getting hit with 10 per second, either the snare isn't going to be a problem in very short order (because you'll be dead, facing that number of opponents) or your group needs to step up their tactics.

i mainly get it during solo play, but yes, it does happen during zerg attacking me, just not as often.
it is mainly during solo 1 v 1 that i am getting hit like that.

What is that person hitting you with that snares you 10 per second in a 1v1 fight? Maybe you should ask for any advice with countering that skill or class?

Lord-Otto · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

thats why i said, that you maybe need to think out of the box. some famous theorycrafters already did. there are plenty of dual wield magwardens, 2h magblades and there are also dual wield magsorc builds. for dk and templar dual wield, sword and shield and 2h are a valid choice since months. but also the three first mentioned builds will all work with 2h weapons.

You're not getting it.
Those guys aren't doing it because that 200 dmg 2H weave is so strong, they do it because snares are overpowered and mag players are forced to bite the bitter apple.
Just imagine Major Expedition would only be accessible with a resto staff. Would stam builds slot one? Some, yes. But it wouldn't be a non-sacrificial choice, unlike for mag builds. It wouldn't be fair. It would be bad design. Just like Forward Momentum right now.